Yes she has some

No

Failing Fail Fails.

You can bet that is the pet project of Nancy Peloser, because she has no achievements that would have mattered, like getting out of Iraq, or at least investigating impeachable crimes. And getting any accountability for the failout embezzlement. Yet Nancy Peloser gets equal pay for an F minus report card.

For God's sake don't normalize for job, education, and experience. Just start from the assumption that women and men are interchangable and approach work exactly the same way and with the same amount of personal investment.

What, no pics of Yvonne Craig, the Batgirl who also played the Orion slave girl Marta?

I see the CHUD are out in force.

Saw this on the internet, liked it, posting it here:

You know, it was not effective the first time they ran that in 1974 and it still sucks now.

I'm all for women receiving fair pay. I'm also all for men getting paternal leave.

I'm not quite sure how they're ever going to come up with a system that doesn't advantage women when you drop child-birth into the mix. This counts doubly when you include the child-free. They don't get any special leave.

Random Guy: You know, it was not effective the first time they ran that in 1974 and it still sucks now.

Exactly what I came here to say.

I can tell from the narrator's voice that she's a fat, uptight fembag that hasn't had her snooch touched since she left home.

OMFG!!! On the page at http://www.outofthewayoffairpay.org they have a petition you can sign, but you can edit the message before submitting it.

Have fun Farkers: http://www.outofthewayoffairpay.org

Batgirl can suck my batarang.

Get the funk out!

Interesting that Burt Ward participated in that, yet Adam West did not.
Why does Adam West hate women?!?

Wait a second. I know men who do the same job for the same employer but don't get paid the same amount.

//Which is why your employer doesn't like you to talk about your salary.

Yay! Misogyny!! On my fark? As likely as it seems? Unpossible.

sadbad: Yay! Misogyny!! On my fark? As likely as it seems? Unpossible.

This is no more misogyny than demanding accountability for welfare recipients is racism.

Equal work /= Equal pay
Equal experience and ability = equal pay

'Hey, you both typed the proposals I asked for, awesome! What's that Billy, yours includes neato graphs and flowcharts and a detailed exposition of how our current expenditures influence net profits in a way that's easy to understand? Well here's a cookie!'

/Give Batgirl her cookie

Uh, same employer/same job doesn't mean equal pay. Typically contracts are individually negotiated, and if there is a rubric it's usually based on things like experience inside/outside the company, education, and performance, not sex.

//Working during undergrad, I had to take over a job previously held by a woman. Same position, same company. She was getting 25$/hr. I got 7.50$, because I was a student and willing to work for less. Bugger off, activists.

"You're lucky you have a job. GBTFW."

/Kinda seriously.
//Super-heroes get paid now?

Min5trel: "You're lucky you have a job. GBTFW."

/Kinda seriously.
//Super-heroes get paid now?

Sweet Christmas! They sure do.

Jim_Callahan: Bugger off, activists.

My that's very telling of you.

Someone PLEASE come in here and talk about the 75 cents on the dollar figure.

Walter Block's (of Loyola University) articles when he dared speak out against feminism (new window)

sarcastrophe: Walter Block's (of Loyola University) articles when he dared speak out against feminism (new window)

How about posting a link where his side of the story is told without a bunch of "he said she said" procedural BS?

What's the gist of the issue?

whidbey: How about posting a link where his side of the story is told without a bunch of "he said she said" procedural BS?

What's the gist of the issue?

Those articles include emails from people complaining about his statements. What are you looking for?

sarcastrophe: Those articles include emails from people complaining about his statements. What are you looking for?

Specifically, I want to catch him in a statement that somehow "proves" white men deserve to make more money than women or other minorities. That's the goal here...:D

Jim_Callahan: Uh, same employer/same job doesn't mean equal pay. Typically contracts are individually negotiated, and if there is a rubric it's usually based on things like experience inside/outside the company, education, and performance, not sex.

//Working during undergrad, I had to take over a job previously held by a woman. Same position, same company. She was getting 25$/hr. I got 7.50$, because I was a student and willing to work for less. Bugger off, activists.

Wow, your single anecdotal event definitely undermines the enormous heaps of data that show that women get paid less than men when experience and education are equal!!11!!

If you were willing to take that much less, then that is your mistake.

iaazathot: Wow, your single anecdotal event definitely undermines the enormous heaps of data that show that women get paid less than men when experience and education are equal!!11!!

What about when time spent working and actual production are inferior? Should we still pay them more just because they have vaginas and whine a lot?

ZipSplat: Should we still pay them more just because they have vaginas and whine a lot?

Sounds like that's what they pay you for...

iaazathot: Wow, your single anecdotal event definitely undermines the enormous heaps of data that show that women get paid less than men when experience and education are equal!!11!!

I can't figure out why lawyers are so dumb. It's been illegal since to pay different amounts on the basis of sex since the Equal Pay Act of 1963.

So because of all that data you cite, it's obvious to me there is just a huge amount of money awaiting each lawyer who takes equal pay act violations to court.

And yet, there are just about none.

All that money we know is just sitting there because of the studies and evidence you cite. And on the other side, over in the real world, there are almost none of these cases filed.

I wonder why?

The other people losing massive amounts of money are the employers. According to your convincing studies, no employer should ever hire a man. They can hire women for much much less. And yet, in industry after industry, we don't see men being shed in favor of women. Why are the captains of industry so stupid as to leave all that money on the table?

/and your studies aren't nearly as strong as you believe and are relatively easily debunked. In fact, in many many industries, at many age groups, women are now paid more than men.

iaazathot: If you were willing to take that much less, then that is your mistake.

That's a funny statement, since many women complain that men get paid more because they aren't afraid of negotiating, and women, who are sugar and spice and everything nice, just hate all the conflict of negotiation.

But I'm glad to see you agree with others that say if women can't negotiate their salary, then that is their mistake.

RoyBatty: So because of all that data you cite, it's obvious to me there is just a huge amount of money awaiting each lawyer who takes equal pay act violations to court.

And yet, there are just about none.

Probably because sexual discrimination is hard to prove.

But I'm glad to see you agree with others that say if women can't negotiate their salary, then that is their mistake.

Pretty hard to negotiate your salary when the person you want to work for buys into the BS that men and women should be paid differently.

whidbey: Probably because sexual discrimination is hard to prove.

All that money. 45 years. Ain't that hard to prove.

Pretty hard to negotiate your salary when the person you want to work for buys into the BS that men and women should be paid differently.

What's hard about walking away? Seriously. Most people can't get a raise unless they know of another job they can get. Lots of women are totally excellent at negotiating EVERYTHING until they it comes time to negotiate for salary, and then they say "Ooh! It's so difficult and I am just a sugar and spice and everything nice creature!" That's just not the behavior many of us see from women much of the time.

And though you're not Izzathot, I find it hard to understand why you think women suffer from this difficult negotiation problem, but Izzathot thinks that as a male undergrad, it's his problem if he can't negotiate.

RoyBatty: whidbey: Probably because sexual discrimination is hard to prove.

All that money. 45 years. Ain't that hard to prove.

I'd say it is, judging by the fact that the glass ceiling still exists. It's a racket.

And what's more, the few lawsuits I can think of were settled out of court. In other words, the bigots have more money than the plaintiffs, and don't mind parting with a little to shut them up.

What's hard about walking away? Seriously

When you know damn well that you're being discriminated against and can't do anything about it?

I find it hard to understand why you think women suffer from this difficult negotiation problem, but Izzathot thinks that as a male undergrad, it's his problem if he can't negotiate

Agreed, that was a lame argument, but so is yours. The fact is that despite lip service like the Equal Pay Act, women do not earn as much as men. An incovenient truth that should not be ignored.

whidbey: An incovenient truth that should not be ignored.

But it's not a truth, and it's certainly not a universal truth.

As I said, there are many industries, and many age groups, in which women are earning more.

And when you finally get down to the all else being equal comparisons, the difference in pay is not 20% as is often claimed, but more like 5%.

And I think you should be wearing a tinfoil hat if you think that a) lawyers just can't find or prove this discrimination but it exists.

What's hard about walking away? Seriously.
When you know damn well that you're being discriminated against and can't do anything about it?

There are plenty of companies with women CEOs, plenty of companies with plenty of women executives and women managers that I find your claim of woe that there is nowhere for these women to go to lack credibility.

You make two conflicting arguments:

A) The discrimination is widespread, it's everywhere
B) Lawyers can't prove it.

That's tinfoil hat stuff.

iaazathot: Wow, your single anecdotal event definitely undermines the enormous heaps of data that show that women get paid less than men when experience and education are equal!!11!!

No there actually isn't all that much good data. The GAO report I'm familiar with looked at industry, not occupation and failed to account for a number of other factors but at the end of the day even without relevant variables the gap got pretty narrow.

Further looking at leading indicators everything suggests women are highly likely to out earn men in the near future and I highly doubt feminists will even whisper that it is unfair.

whidbey: Probably because sexual discrimination is hard to prove.

Except thats not the opinion of many companies. Most companies are terrified of sexual harassment suits, and will go to any injustice to avoid them. The mere suggestion that harassment may have occurred can result in the firing of a male employee, without evidence or proof, simply because the company is afraid of the lawsuit and is afraid of the image. Yet despite this some male executives are hesitant to offer to mentor future female executives.

I hire people.

In almost all cases, the males ask for more than starting salary and are willing to walk if you say no, but will accept something more than starting and less than they asked for. In almost all cases, the women do not ask for more than starting salary and if they do, once they are told no they accept it and do not walk away (or even threaten it).

Those small beginning salary differences become much more of a gap as their time in increases and they accumulate raises. Males are also more likely to try and negotiate a special increase based on work performance. Women expect that they should get paid their value and assume there is no ability to request additional consideration at their review.

And no offense to the ladies here, who I am sure are the exception, but another thing I find is that women worry too much about what everyone else is doing in the office and lose focus on their own activities and achievements. A guy does not care that their cubicle neighbor stole an extra 15 minutes of lunch. But, the ladies will spend 30 minutes talking to others about the 15 minutes her coworker 'took' from the company.

RoyBatty: As I said, there are many industries, and many age groups, in which women are earning more.

Source?

And when you finally get down to the all else being equal comparisons, the difference in pay is not 20% as is often claimed, but more like 5%.

Source?

There are plenty of companies with women CEOs, plenty of companies with plenty of women executives and women managers that I find your claim of woe that there is nowhere for these women to go to lack credibility.

Source? And specifically a source that shows they get paid as much as their male counterparts?

BHShaman: but another thing I find is that women worry too much about what everyone else is doing in the office and lose focus on their own activities and achievements. A guy does not care that their cubicle neighbor stole an extra 15 minutes of lunch. But, the ladies will spend 30 minutes talking to others about the 15 minutes her coworker 'took' from the company.

And your personal anecdote is not only stereotypical and insulting, what are you even trying to prove? That this is how you justify women's salaries being lower than men's?

...and insulting, what are you even trying to prove? That this is how you justify women's salaries being lower than men's?

I'm not justifying anything. Only speaking from experience.
If it is insulting, it is such within its own merits as the absolute truth of my environment and experience.

I've ENCOURAGED woman applicants being we offered positions to ask for more than starting pay as part of their hiring process with BIG-HR. They do not, as they "fear making a bad impression", one woman's words not mine..

Just some real quick results from googling women earn more

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html
For Young Earners in Big City, a Gap in Women's Favor

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2008/10/08/among-executives-wo m en-outearn-men?tid=true
Among Executives, Women Outearn Men

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12760790/
Are women earning more than men?
Author Warren Farrell reveals the most lucrative careers choices for women

Read the Warren Farrell article, and his book.

More:

"Some data analysis in the research found that wages for men are lower in the industries with more female managers":
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2007/10/08/wage_gap/ (That's SALON BROADSHEET, A FEMINIST BLOG.)

AND FINALLY

Controlling for all factors, gender is only a 5% wage gap. NOT 20-25%, but 5%:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2007/04/23/wage_gap/
All that being said, it isn't that the pay gap is entirely attributable to gender. "The evidence shows that even when the 'explanations' for the pay gap are included in a regression, they cannot fully explain the pay disparity," the report concludes. "The regressions for earnings one year after college indicate that when all variables are included, about one quarter of the pay gap is attributable to gender. That is, after controlling for all the factors known to affect earnings, college-educated women earn about 5 percent less than college-educated men earn."

RoyBatty: Just some real quick results from googling women earn more


It all depends on the field and the interest.
Easy to find what a person looks for on the web. ;)

http://arp.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/0275074008317158v1

Abstract
Men's greater tendency to study such high-paying fields as engineering, computer science, and business may account for half of the pay gap between male and female college graduates in the general economy, and women's mobility into traditionally male fields may explain the closing of the gender pay gap in recent decades. Do similar patterns hold for the federal civil service? Using 1% samples of college graduates in 1983, 1993, and 2003, we find that most of women's average pay rose from 72% to 89% of men's, largely because women's seniority levels rose and pay differences between seemingly comparable male and female college graduates fell. Women's concentration in lower paying fields of study explains another 3% or 4% of the pay disparity, but women's migration into fields traditionally dominated by men has not contributed much to the narrowing of the pay gap.

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3807

Seldom are the data sufficiently detailed to permit comparisons of women and men who are the same on all the variables that matter. But the more detailed the data, the higher is a woman's income relative to that of a comparable man, sometimes surpassing that of men.

Male-female differences in incomes and occupations rose or fell throughout the 20th century as women's age of marriage and childbearing rose and fell. But such mundane facts carry little weight with lawyers or social crusaders on the hunt for discrimination.

Once a lawsuit is under way, the pressure is on the accused employer to settle, rather than risk bad publicity that could hurt profits. And, once they settle, that is taken as proof of guilt, no matter what anybody says.

People without the slightest knowledge of economics or the slightest experience running a business will boldly assert that women are paid only 75 percent -- or some other percent -- of what men make for doing exactly the same work.

Think about it. If an employer could hire four women for the price of hiring three men, why would he ever hire men at all?

Even if the employer was the world's biggest sexist, he could still not survive in business if his competitors were getting one-third more output from their employees for the same money.

Sheer dogmatic repetition has pounded into our minds the notion that all groups have similar capabilities, when in fact they do not necessarily have even the same interest in developing the same capabilities.

Boobies

whidbey: Jim_Callahan: Bugger off, activists.

My that's very telling of you.

Eh? Liking professional activists is only a small step up in the judgement-o-meter from liking professional lobbyists, especially since the two are often one and the same. Women's rights activists are especially annoying because (1) they don't have any actual rights to defend, so they start making up random BS and claiming they're rights, thus devaluing actual rights, and (2) they have a tendency to come to the defense of despicable people and frivolous civil cases just because a woman is involved.

They're bad enough that 'feminist' is a label that few women are willing to adopt any more, because the term is associated with various activist groups that are, for lack of a better descriptor, packs of farking loud, angry morons. Speaking of things that are "telling".

Seems like every job I've had has benefited women more than men:

Server (Waiter/Waitress): Much higher tips for women. Also, they can do "cocktail" waitressing, which is immensely lucrative, men simply cannot.

Salesperson, B2B: Women land bigger contracts, more buyers, flaunt 'sex appeal' shamelessly. All things remaining equal, I can't blame buyers.

Educator: It's a "given" that teachers are women, and as a result senior department chairs are women, favoring women. Add in that higher education is a bastion of "feminism" and the advantages tilt farther away from men.