in related, related news subby needs to get out of his basement more.

France has been a nuclear power since 1960. Le boom.

Does that come with fries?

Zoinks!: France has been a nuclear power since 1960. Le boom.

Yeah, but they only use it to make delicious "fromage radioactif."

France probably knows more about this technology than anyone else on earth.
/I not sure but I think they have more nuke power plants powering their country than anyone else....Le Nuke

Honestly, how long will it take people to get over the whole "hurr hurr the French got taken over by Germany in World War 2" crap?

Artmageddon: Honestly, how long will it take people to get over the whole "hurr hurr the French got taken over by Germany in World War 2" crap?

Probably when they get another Napoleon.

Of course they have sub technology. France has a fabulous navy.

AlwaysRightBoy: France probably knows more about this technology than anyone else on earth.
/I not sure but I think they have more nuke power plants powering their country than anyone else....Le Nuke

That's true. France is number 1 in nuclear power. And healthcare. Hmmm. No wonder the people in charge of our country want us to disparage the French. They don't want us to think that the French are people that we should emulate.

Congratulations, Submitter!




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Artmageddon: Honestly, how long will it take people to get over the whole "hurr hurr the French got taken over by Germany in World War 2" crap?

They need to really kick the sh*t outta someone. Maybe one weekend go South East and start beating on Italy and come back up through Germany.

Lando Lincoln:
That's true. France is number 1 in nuclear power. And healthcare. Hmmm. No wonder the people in charge of our country want us to disparage the French. They don't want us to think that the French are people that we should emulate.

Bit of a broad paint brush, no?

Factors Shaping Foreign Policy, and Issues in U.S.-French Relations
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Lando Lincoln: AlwaysRightBoy: France probably knows more about this technology than anyone else on earth.
/I not sure but I think they have more nuke power plants powering their country than anyone else....Le Nuke

That's true. France is number 1 in nuclear power. And healthcare. Hmmm. No wonder the people in charge of our country want us to disparage the French. They don't want us to think that the French are people that we should emulate.

I agree, they are very tech savvy.
But, didn't they have a problem with air conditioning in their hospitals a little while back.

And somehow their subs will be more sleek than ours... and also look better in a bikini

UberDave: Of course they have sub technology. France has a fabulous navy.

Aren't all navies fabulous?

The Icelander: UberDave: Of course they have sub technology. France has a fabulous navy.

Aren't all navies fabulous?

Hey just said fabulous, I think you mean faaaaabulous ;)

Artmageddon:

Hey just said fabulous, I think you mean faaaaabulous ;)

Hey = He. Dammit.

AlwaysRightBoy: But, didn't they have a problem with air conditioning in their hospitals a little while back.

Not that I know of, but unless it was during the month of august, I can't see it being too much of a problem.

Why bother with Nuke boats when Non-nuke AIP is becoming so cheap.

Air-independent propulsion (new window)

/US navy rented a Gotland class sub to test their ASW and couldn't find it.

johnny_vegas: Bit of a broad paint brush, no?

I wasn't really referencing our government. I was referencing the REAL people in charge of our country. Big oil. Big coal. The insurance companies. Those guys.

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submitter: In related news, France has nuclear sub technology

stupid french surrender monkeys, it's spelled/pronounced 'nucular'. duh, queermos

z_gringo: AlwaysRightBoy: But, didn't they have a problem with air conditioning in their hospitals a little while back.

Not that I know of, but unless it was during the month of august, I can't see it being too much of a problem.

I was referring to the fact that many of the people died due to the fact that they had NO air conditioning at the hospitals.
/by the way Normandy in August is beautiful

Crosshair: Why bother with Nuke boats when Non-nuke AIP is becoming so cheap.

Air-independent propulsion (new window)

/US navy rented leased a Gotland class sub (complete with crew) to test their train in ASW and couldn't could rarely find it.

Not trying to be a dick, but I think this is more accurate

The French also had the Holy Grail before anyone else.

Well, except for you-know-who.

There is a disturbing lack of surrender, cheese-eating, in this headline.

oldebayer: The French also had the Holy Grail before anyone else.

Well, except for you-know-who.

Not sure exactly why Brazil needs a nuc boat. Brown water AIP or diesel/electric boats, sure, but blue water long range nuclear subs?

France is one of the "Big 5" of nuclear power/weapons (Russia, England, China and the US being the other four). It's why they have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council and why all 5 have veto power in that council.

As far as nuclear submarines go they first tried to get the technology from the US (like England did) but were turned down, they then copied the US S5W design (how they got the specs for that plant is not known). Current boats use a design developed by their own engineers.

vossiewulf: Not sure exactly why Brazil needs a nuc boat. Brown water AIP or diesel/electric boats, sure, but blue water long range nuclear subs?

They already have a fairly decent sized blue water fleet including an aircraft carrier. They probably want a submarine escort for those ships and a diesel or AIP can't keep up (speed-wise) submerged for sustained periods.

Brazil is rapidly becoming a power. It is in our interest to reach out to them now - it can only be good for us.

France refers to its nuclear forces as its force de frappe. That's become my favorite blender setting.

They should be happy they didn't get it from Poland...

bad_ed: Brazil is rapidly becoming a power.


Well, there are like a brazillion of them.


It is in our interest to reach out to them now - it can only be good for us.

I think we might want to wait another month or so.

IXI Jim IXI: I think we might want to wait another month or so.

Yeah. Even then: good idea.

He could even wait until Carnival.

I for one would love to take part in reaching out to our Brazilian friends and neighbors.

Brazilian girls are gigity-licious.

Submitter's an idiot. France probably knows more about nuclear power than we do.

France used to have two aircraft carrier groups as well.
Now they only have money to keep one operational.
Anyway, why bother. The United States of America will come to their rescue in the unlikely event of being invaded by Corsica.


Charles de Gaulle (R91)

you know who else liked the french ?

The Banana Thug: Submitter's an idiot. France probably knows more about nuclear power than we do.

While I agree with your first statement, I doubt your second one is accurate (as it relates to nuclear propulsion anyway).

Crosshair: Why

For the case against the US using AIP, do some time-distance feasibility calculations. Remember that our closest friendly ports to hot spots such as the Taiwan Strait are Guam and Hawaii.

See what happened when Canada purchased a few UK diesels - they got four SSK's that could barely defend the local area, much less project power.

However, if you're interested in projecting power in a local area (i.e.: Iran/China), AIP is fine.

In related news, subby doesn't know jack shiat and is proud of it.

IXI Jim IXI: They should be happy they didn't get it from Poland...

Insert screen door joke here.

The Banana Thug: France probably knows more about nuclear power than we do.

I highly doubt that they know more. An equal amount would be a much more likely statement, and there's a lot more to building a modern submarine than just the power plant.

TFA isn't really clear on how they're going to transfer the technology. Are they building the boat complete and selling it? Are they only building the power plant to be added to a boat built in Brazil? Are they sending the plans and some advisor's? Just the plans?

Building a safe and capable boat takes a huge industrial investment, not only in machinery and material but also in training people to do the job right and then retaining them. It's why we keep building more nuclear boats, the training and experience doesn't really transfer over well to surface ships so stopping construction loses the knowledge base. They'll go somewhere else to work and lose proficiency in the specific skills needed.

France has six SSN's and they are faaaaabulous!

Rubis Class: Rubis, Saphir, Casabianca, Émeraude, Améthyste, and Perle.

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Did they name them after Marie Antoinette's crystal unicorn figurines?

Imagine how bad it must smell in a French submarine...

Radioactive Ass: France is one of the "Big 5" of nuclear power/weapons (Russia, England, China and the US being the other four). It's why they have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council and why all 5 have veto power in that council.



In 1945, when those five were chosen, only the USA had nukes, and furthermore, "China" meant Taiwan for decades after the two split.

Jesus H. Christ. It's not enough that I'm fighting this uphill battle to keep the word "fabulous" heterosexual. But now, it's being used to imply Frenchiness as well?

Sacre bleu!

/that's french for "goddamn"

Radioactive Ass: Building a safe and capable boat takes a huge industrial investment, not only in machinery and material but also in training people to do the job right and then retaining them. It's why we keep building more nuclear boats, the training and experience doesn't really transfer over well to surface ships so stopping construction loses the knowledge base. They'll go somewhere else to work and lose proficiency in the specific skills needed.

QFT, and an easy parallel can be seen with NASA's inability to "remember" how to get people to the Moon - all the original engineers are dead or senile.