I have popcorn...this oughtta be good.

I can't imagine how a kid learning about a religion that's basic tenent is respecting other people and the earth is a bad thing.

I want Disney to come out with a crafts page for those of us who await the return of the Old Ones.

/not Bea Arthur

benlonghair: I can't imagine how a kid learning about a religion that's basic tenent is respecting other people and the earth is a bad thing.

Well, it ain't Christian-like, you hoodlum ;)

I wouldn't really call it Pagan. Solstice is a real astronomical event and marks the beginning of winter. Lighting candles in bags is hardly good or evil based on religion. They're not asking people to perform rituals on an altar.

dahmers love zombie: I want Disney to come out with a crafts page for those of us who await the return of the Old Ones.

/not Bea Arthur
I would, but then I heard of a guy who got his head sucked off by a Shoggoth after making a few. Don't mess with that stuff, man.

Durendal: I wouldn't really call it Pagan. Solstice is a real astronomical event and marks the beginning of winter. Lighting candles in bags is hardly good or evil based on religion. They're not asking people to perform rituals on an altar.

Yet.

Celebrations of the winter and summer solstice (and the equinoxes) predate pretty much every religion on the planet.

We've been doing it since before we had a written language. Maybe before we had a spoken one.

Pagan solstice celebrations are older than (largely pagan) Christian celebrations.

Why does that matter? It doesn't.

Celebrate the season (or don't) as you like...but by all means don't have a fkn conniption fit if some cashier addresses you with a non-specific holiday greeting. It only singles you out as an uptight, thin-skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex.

Living in the NW, I'm only TOO glad to have the days start getting longer again. Celebrating a thousands-of-years-old tradition is hardly a threat to my beliefs.

I think I'll light a luminary, spin a dreidel (tonight is the start of Hannukkah) and STILL keep my Christian faith. And whatever the rest of you believe or don't believe is fine with me - live your life as you want.

/waits for trolls' heads to explode

Why they persist in insulting Christianity?

All of the intolerant fundies who misunderstand Paganism can DIAF.

/Pagan
//proud of it
///Oh, and GO SOONERS!!!!!

I'm all for more Solsticing. Celebrate the birth of Christ, the eight days of light, whatever you choose, but in the end, the days start getting longer for *everyone*.

/southern hemisphere, your mileage may vary.

Well, since Disney got rich off of playing pagans as the bad guys (witches, for starters) it's about time they paid some of it back.

Nimnom: Why they persist in insulting Christianity?

Because Disney has animals acting like people. I heard this is supposedly against the teachings of the bible. The child rapist..err I mean polygamists also didn't like it.

Also Muslins(sic) hate Disney too. So much for that enemy of my enemy is my friend garbage.

Lionel Mandrake: Celebrate the season (or don't) as you like...but by all means don't have a fkn conniption fit if some cashier addresses you with a non-specific holiday greeting. It only singles you out as an uptight, thin-skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex.

Does the opposite apply?? (An uptight, thin skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex raging over being told: Merry Christmas!)

As kids, we used to make luminarias like these, but for halloween instead; in place of a candle, we used a pint or so of horse feces. We would go round and place them on people's porches, ring the bell and run.

I'm waiting until we can celebrate Saturnalia as it was meant to be celebrated: presents, candles, feasts, naked orgies, gladiatorial games, sacrifices of bulls and goats to Saturn, stuff like that.

Especially the sacrifices and naked orgies.

Nimnom: Why they persist in insulting Christianity?

Oh, please.

All traditions related to Christmas are pagan. The whole farking holiday is one big pagan celebration. Duh.

Don't believe me? Look it up in any encyclopedia. Including the New Catholic Encyclopedia.

Even if you don't know the history of the practices, just think about it. What, exactly, does the tree have to do with Jesus? Or Santa Claus? (Oh, yeah, that's the scripture where Jesus said we should LIE to our children, right?) And reindeer? Or a yule log? Mistletoe? The list goes on and on. Even the gift giving and greenery.

And, does it really make sense that shepherds were tending sheep at the time of Jesus' birth, at a time of year when it's too cold for shepherds to be out with their sheep in that area?

Like I said, a short amount of research proves the truth.

/Srsly, not a troll. Just sick of holier than thou "Christians"

December 22? That's my birthday. I'm a Pagan god!

/right?

Meh. I prefer Beltane anyhow.

7th Son of a 7th Son: All of the intolerant fundies who misunderstand Paganism can DIAF.

Why do pagans refer to themselves as pagans? Isn't that kind of vague and/or pejorative? Do Christians in the middle east call themselves infidels?

pauly1620: Lionel Mandrake: Celebrate the season (or don't) as you like...but by all means don't have a fkn conniption fit if some cashier addresses you with a non-specific holiday greeting. It only singles you out as an uptight, thin-skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex.

Does the opposite apply?? (An uptight, thin skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex raging over being told: Merry Christmas!)

I vote Yes.

pauly1620: Lionel Mandrake: Celebrate the season (or don't) as you like...but by all means don't have a fkn conniption fit if some cashier addresses you with a non-specific holiday greeting. It only singles you out as an uptight, thin-skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex.

Does the opposite apply?? (An uptight, thin skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex raging over being told: Merry Christmas!)

You betcha!

/I couldn't resist

For what it's worth, Mulan was a polytheistic-based movie. Of course, it also had a talking dragon.

Nothing says "Attention Whore" quite like a Pagan...
/except for Wiccans...

Monkeypillow: December 22? That's my birthday. I'm a Pagan god!

/right?

This is true. As a god the first thing we must do is sacrifi..err..release you from your earthly prison.

/Now somebody get me a large stake and some firewood on the double.

DrewCurtisJr: Why do pagans refer to themselves as pagans?

Cause all the good names were taken.

I don't see how putting a candle in a bag is pagan though. Teaching them how to decorate the four corners of their alters would strike me as more paganesque.

brewssuds: Nothing says "Attention Whore" quite like a Pagan...
/except for Wiccans...

I suppose that could be true but there are a lot more of "them" around than most people realize.

Monkeypillow
December 22? That's my birthday. I'm a Pagan god!

/right?

Of course you are!

I've been to Yule celebrations at a coven in Delaware. It's too damn cold for me to be outside in December, regardless of what my friends are celebrating. I'll stick to Midsummer Sabbats from now on, thanks (though I don't get invited to them much anymore).

If we have Saturnalia, can we have the young men running through the streets hitting women with leather thongs too? Please please please??
And if you have to specify that an orgy be a naked orgy, please don't invite me to your party.

/very pleased the days will start getting longer now

Britney Spear's Speculum: Nimnom: Why they persist in insulting Christianity?

Because Disney has animals acting like people. I heard this is supposedly against the teachings of the bible. The child rapist..err I mean polygamists also didn't like it.

Also Muslins(sic) hate Disney too. So much for that enemy of my enemy is my friend garbage.

What about Balaam and his ass?

ms_gingerwhite:
/very pleased the days will start getting longer now

Me too.

To all:

Have a very, merry Sol-istmas-anaka!

Bonez

I thought Tom Hanks arrested all the Pagans.

This is related to my interests.

However, I feel compelled to point out that the solstice was technically this morning. Sorry, better luck next year.

bonezoz: To all:

Have a very, merry Sol-istmas-anaka!

Bonez

what? No Kwanzaa?

Proctologist Iggy Poop: I think I'll celebrate this (from the above list of December 25th events):

"December 25, 1932: During King George V Christmas dinner speech, his chair collapses."

A toast to His Majesty!

I pick this...

December 25, 1933 Another Christmas Day five-wicket haul by Clarrie Grimmett

Has anyone ever met a Pagan-Vegan?

pauly1620: Lionel Mandrake: Celebrate the season (or don't) as you like...but by all means don't have a fkn conniption fit if some cashier addresses you with a non-specific holiday greeting. It only singles you out as an uptight, thin-skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex.

Does the opposite apply?? (An uptight, thin skinned jackass with a ridiculous persecution complex raging over being told: Merry Christmas!)

Yes.

But I am unaware of any popular media personalities waging a campaign against saying "Merry Christmas."

brewssuds: Has anyone ever met a Pagan-Vegan?

Several

The real threat to our youth:

light them (a grown-up's job) and bask in the glow.

Parents should respect their children enough to let them light a candle by themselves. Teach responsibility, control, safety precautions and how to handle emergencies, don't coddle them.

/Back in my day, throwing flaming paper airplanes with firecrackers on board for dramatic crash landings...
//in Mexico, of course, since they don't have laws there...
///Their houses are made out of cinderblocks so you can't set them on fire...
////I was never tought responsibility and all that...

vabeard: what? No Kwanzaa?

Sorry, couldn't figure out how to fit it in:

Sol-kwanzmas-anaka?

Anyone know of any Islamic holidays during this time frame that I can throw in just to appease (almost) everyone?

dahmers love zombie: I want Disney to come out with a crafts page for those of us who await the return of the Old Ones.

/not Bea Arthur


I like the way you think.

Snackly: The real threat to our youth:

light them (a grown-up's job) and bask in the glow.

Parents should respect their children enough to let them light a candle by themselves. Teach responsibility, control, safety precautions and how to handle emergencies, don't coddle them.

/Back in my day, throwing flaming paper airplanes with firecrackers on board for dramatic crash landings...
//in Mexico, of course, since they don't have laws there...
///Their houses are made out of cinderblocks so you can't set them on fire...
////I was never tought responsibility and all that...

I agree, but perhaps your kids could be "tought" spelling. I don't mind them playing with fire, but children who can't read are a danger to society.

Durendal: I wouldn't really call it Pagan. Solstice is a real astronomical event and marks the beginning of winter. Lighting candles in bags is hardly good or evil based on religion. They're not asking people to perform rituals on an altar.

Hahah because Winter is a scientific concept, right? Because 4 seasons is not a cultural construct, right? because religions don't involve anything real, right? Astronomers light candles all the time as part of their experiments! LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I KNOW SCIENCE!!!!

DrewCurtisJr:
Why do pagans refer to themselves as pagans? Isn't that kind of vague and/or pejorative? Do Christians in the middle east call themselves infidels?

I don't know but I like the ring of it. I think I'm going to start using infidels when referring to my Christian coworkers.

PAGAN?

People Against Goodness and Normalcy