Well in that case we're all cool then.

That's a lot like saying "Yeah I raped ya, but it was over pretty quick, not like that other victim..."

Cheney really was the President, wasn't he?

What a rock solid defense.

B..b.b.but Lincoln!

Yes, because the situation in 18602 and 1942, when the very survival of the United States was at stake, is so very similar to the 'war' we are in now with a rag tag bunch of criminal religious fanatics.

Dinki: Yes, because the situation in 18602 and 1942...

You know something we don't?

flood_guy: You know something we don't?

Just wait and see :)

Dinki: Yes, because the situation in 18602 and 1942, when the very survival of the United States was at stake, is so very similar to the 'war' we are in now with a rag tag bunch of criminal religious fanatics.

Not to mention - social acceptance of what's necessary and proper shift. We don't judge ourselves against the Romans when we evaluate our torture methods.

I'm much more concerned by his Nixon-esque assertion that if the President does it to protect the country, it's not illegal.

I can't believe this power crazed asshole has been our VP for 8 years.

What a truly great American.

He embodies everything we want to see in a leader.

B-b-b-b-but THEY were worse!!1!" is essentially admitting your guilty.

It's also considered a pussy-ass cop out among grownups.

yea ... those were real wars ... not some crappy trumped-up excuse for war like the "War on terror".

DamnYankees:
Not to mention - social acceptance of what's necessary and proper shift. We don't judge ourselves against the Romans when we evaluate our torture methods.

Umm...some of the people in this country do. Actually, by the lack of outrage over this whole issue, a lot of people do.

The legacy^* polishing continues.

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Ugg, be joyful america. The long nightmare of this administration is almost over.

I don't care. Whatever Lord Cheney/Bush wants, they can get, libs.

Guys, guys, let's give credit where credit is due.

He was comparing presidents to defend Bush and DIDN'T make it a 'But..but...Clinton!' That's a amazing right there.

But their wars were actually legit, asshole.

/T-minus 30 days and counting.

propasaurus: Cheney really was the President, wasn't he?

The President's not the President anyway, you know that.

/Nosferatu
//She took the Cigarettes!

Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

That's 'cuz all of Bush's abuses of civil rights happened during peacetime.

/Show me a declaration of war and I might change my mind...

Funny, I don't recall Lincoln giving orders to illegally torture people. Lincoln did legally suspend habeas corpus, but that does not compare to illegally having people tortured, or illegally suspending habeas corpus, illegally violating the fourth amendment with warrantless wiretaps, etc.

Cheney needs to be reminded that there has been no official declaration of war on anyone. You can't say "in a time of war" as your legal argument when according to the letter of the law we are not in a time of war.

Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

Translation: "If it didn't happen to me, it didn't happen, so STFU."

Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

Neither you or I were murdered in the Holocaust. Guess nothing bad happened.

I never want to hear this mass-murdering, treasonous, lying, thieving piece of shiat's voice ever again. Ever.

IlGreven: Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

Translation: "If it didn't happen to me, it didn't happen, so STFU."

Translation: "Of course I can't."

But Lincoln and FDR died in office.

Just sayin'

Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

Everything you or I have done on the internet in the last few years has been spied on without a warrant by the government.

If you are accused of being a "terrorist" all the protections of our legal system are stripped from you, simply on the accusation. Our entire system of civil liberties surrounding search and trials as outlined in the bill of rights does not apply if the government simply decides they don't apply. You can be arrested, not charged with a crime, hidden away with no access to a lawyer, tortured, and never see trial, all at the whim of government.

But don't worry, that government that the right wing thinks can't be trusted with anything at all, can in fact be trusted to only kidnap and torture bad people.

I just love the right wing cognitive dissonance. The government can't be trusted with our tax dollars, but they can be trusted to not abuse absolute unchecked police powers. Wheeeee!

Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

massive warrant less eavesdropping on American citizens by the NSA, in violation of the FISA act of 1978, from 2002 until early 2008, when it was made "legal" by presidential order. originally authorized by the Prez in secret, organized by Cheney.

/waves hi to the NSA search bots.

Critic: IlGreven: Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

Translation: "If it didn't happen to me, it didn't happen, so STFU."

Translation: "Of course I can't."

Hey, I'm white, male, and rural. You think Bush would take any of my civil rights away, even if I advocate his impeachment?

Just 'cuz your white-collar suburban subdivision hasn't been raided by the CIA on bogus charges doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

No doubt about it.

FDR was a megalomaniac arsehole.

/ Libs do not get it

Thrag: Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

Everything you or I have done on the internet in the last few years has been spied on without a warrant by the government.

If you are accused of being a "terrorist" all the protections of our legal system are stripped from you, simply on the accusation. Our entire system of civil liberties surrounding search and trials as outlined in the bill of rights does not apply if the government simply decides they don't apply. You can be arrested, not charged with a crime, hidden away with no access to a lawyer, tortured, and never see trial, all at the whim of government.

But don't worry, that government that the right wing thinks can't be trusted with anything at all, can in fact be trusted to only kidnap and torture bad people.

I just love the right wing cognitive dissonance. The government can't be trusted with our tax dollars, but they can be trusted to not abuse absolute unchecked police powers. Wheeeee!

So this all happened to YOU then. Do you have any evidence to cite? Thought not.

Critic: Will one of you poor victims please tell me one of your civil rights that has been abused? Please be specific.

I don't care if my rights have been abused. The government putting themselves in a position of power to deny anyone their Constitutionally guaranteed rights or civil liberties is enough to call foul.

Don't excuse these coonts. They work for us. Remember?

Cheney is full of shiat. Send him to The Hague.

Phil Herup: No doubt about it.

FDR was a megalomaniac arsehole.

/ Libs do not get it

I'm a "lib" and I get it. How does this excuse anything in the last 8 years?

dillenger69: yea ... those were real wars


I guess they were.

What part of this are you forgetting?




/

"War time" doesn't count when we're the ones who initiate it.

Unless, of course, you think that 9/11 was a declaration of war. Which is a stupid thing to think.

Cheney would have responded to Fort Sumter by attacking Vermont.

Phil Herup: dillenger69: yea ... those were real wars


I guess they were.

What part of this are you forgetting?

No one is forgetting 9/11. Its usefulness in acting as leverage to usurp the Constitution has expired.

Warrantless wiretaps anf Gitmo have been great tools in catching Bin Laden, haven't they?

I miss Cheney already (sniff).

JerseyTim: Cheney would have responded to Fort Sumter by attacking Vermont Canada.

FTFY

Phil Herup: dillenger69: yea ... those were real wars


I guess they were.

What part of this are you forgetting?

/

You have got to be a parody.

Yes, well, indeed, Mr. Cheney. No doubt. Thing is though, history tends to be a lot more forgiving to those who actually obtain good results.

Lincoln and FDR were able to win their wars in less than 6 years.

Dinki: Yes, because the situation in 18602 and 1942, when the very survival of the United States was at stake, is so very similar to the 'war' we are in now with a rag tag bunch of criminal religious fanatics.

Sounds like the plot to Star Wars.

doyner: Warrantless wiretaps


You get my full support on warrantless wiretaps, they are BS. Not on Gitmo though.

We have not been attacked since, while other countries have seen plenty of terror.

I think you will find Obama does not abolish Gitmo like he said he would, now that he is in the know about it. No one really have a good idea what to do with the animals in that cage.

Phil Herup: doyner: Warrantless wiretaps


You get my full support on warrantless wiretaps, they are BS. Not on Gitmo though.

We have not been attacked since, while other countries have seen plenty of terror.

I think you will find Obama does not abolish Gitmo like he said he would, now that he is in the know about it. No one really have a good idea what to do with the animals in that cage.

Idiot.

Komplex: Lincoln and FDR were able to win their wars in less than 6 years.


Sure, with massive collateral damage.

/did your parents put you up to this?

Phil Herup: I think you will find Obama does not abolish Gitmo like he said he would, now that he is in the know about it. No one really have a good idea what to do with the animals in that cage.

Prosecute them. If they are found not guilty, release them back to their home countries. If they don't want them, drop them off in Afghanistan. If they rejoin terrorist forces, kill them.

Pretty simple, really.