Because everything that goes wrong is always the liberals' fault.

I learned that from the radio man.

Newest spin to blame liberals for George W. Bush's presidency.

Sorry GOP, he's all yours.

Some people could make the argument that fluoridation of the water supply is a massive conspiracy designed to render a brain damaged populace docile and pliable so a secret cabal can craft a one world government from the shadows.

They'd be as equally stupid as the hypothetical people alluded to in the headline.

If by liberal you mean corporate fascist whore then yes, he is very liberal.

Some people argue the earth is flat too, that don't make it so.

Delusions are scary things.

That explains why real conservatives complained and argued against him for eight years.

Oh wait, but you remember that right-wingers defended his every move and whined about the liberal media every time he was criticized?

Oh. Never mind.

It's not a wholly inaccurate premise, but you have to bear in how things have been turned on their heads by this clown.

Liberals are generally thought of as being the emotional, sensitive types, bleeding-hearts, if you will. But what has been demonstrated in the past 8 years is that it appears to be the conservatives who are overly emotional and sensitive. They thrive on being afraid and persecuted, they want so badly to help Iraqis enjoy the freedoms that we do by exporting democracy, and plead with the all the fervor of an unwashed 60s hippie that we have to do something for these oppressed people in (insert oil-rich nation).

The myth of the strong silent type conservative is as utterly bankrupt as Reaganomics. These are pants-wetters, and they want the fairy tales to be true, because they are comforting.

Your reality is going to suck. Embrace it, and get to work helping the cold-eyed realists dig us out of this titanic pile of neocon wreckage that the dewey-eyed idealists shat on us this decade.

We will fix this thing with or without you.

simsite9: They thrive on being afraid and persecuted

I've never seen anything more pathetic than the last several years of Republicans crying "ZOMG the terrorists are coming! We have to do something!"

Cowardly is too nice a term for them. I wonder how Republicans have the nerve to get out of bed every day.

I've been saying that since the 2001 farm bill.

simsite9: It's not a wholly inaccurate premise, but you have to bear in how things have been turned on their heads by this clown.

Liberals are generally thought of as being the emotional, sensitive types, bleeding-hearts, if you will. But what has been demonstrated in the past 8 years is that it appears to be the conservatives who are overly emotional and sensitive. They thrive on being afraid and persecuted, they want so badly to help Iraqis enjoy the freedoms that we do by exporting democracy, and plead with the all the fervor of an unwashed 60s hippie that we have to do something for these oppressed people in (insert oil-rich nation).

The myth of the strong silent type conservative is as utterly bankrupt as Reaganomics. These are pants-wetters, and they want the fairy tales to be true, because they are comforting.

Your reality is going to suck. Embrace it, and get to work helping the cold-eyed realists dig us out of this titanic pile of neocon wreckage that the dewey-eyed idealists shat on us this decade.

We will fix this thing with or without you.

You're right... we should import them as slaves instead.

/let the uaw manage the operation

Some people can lick their own armpits.

Confabulat: That explains why real conservatives complained and argued against him for eight years.
Oh wait, but you remember that right-wingers defended his every move and whined about the liberal media every time he was criticized?

Game. Set. Match.

nah nah nah nah ... zoom zoom bahbahbop!

This sort of revisionist history is fascinating to me.

I'm really interested to hear from today's college kids. I spent 9/11 doing what else? Reading Fark threads about it. I didn't even have an account then and just loved to read the threads, and those were about as epic as it gets, ever. I've basically been sitting in my underwear in front of the computer ever since.

But the 10-year-old kids on 9/11 are now in university and all grown-up. They've changed and pretty much have grown up in one of the more interesting times in American history (the '80s weren't really that cool, guys). I want to know what an 18-year-old in 2009 thinks about Bush after spending most of his formative years under Bush.

I also want to know if Lucas raped their childhood with the Star Wars prequels, since it was their first ones, after all.

"Bush isn't a liberal. ... I think he's flailing around."

Surely not ?

Confabulat: But the 10-year-old kids on 9/11 are now in university and all grown-up.

10+(2008-2001)= ??

This sort of revisionist mathematics is fascinating to me...

FarkinNortherner: 10+(2008-2001)= ??

This sort of revisionist mathematics is fascinating to me...

I was 17 when I started college. And do you think a few months here or there really matter?

FarkinNortherner: This sort of revisionist mathematics is fascinating to me...

Ok, then, what about the 11-year-olds?

z_gringo: Some people can lick their own armpits.

There's people out there who can't lick their own armpits?

Horse shiat, teh article is total bullshiat, there ain't nothing about that man was ever liberal.
And don't point the finger at the Democrats for spending, etc. that was either done one the Republicans watch or by the Republicans at the point of a gun after the Democrats took power (You either vote with us or you support for the terrorists).
I will say that my own party has been less than stellar this last two years as well (farking bunch of spineless pussies), but don't lump that POS on our side of the fence, no how, no way.

And to say spending is a liberal way, bullshiat.
Reagan did more spending in 8 years than all of the Democrat Presidents combined (excluding FDR that is).

Spending on social programs to help people in need is a liberal position, not overall spending. And taxing? Yes, that's a liberal way, how the fark else are you going to pay for what you spend? Oh yeah (you don't), just print more money when you feel you need some, that'll do the trick. Republicans tend to cut taxes but keep right on spending.....DUH! that doesn't work though.

If you mean "Liberal" in the sense of reducing the size of the government, then yes, he did. He turned it into a smaller government ran by a few people with little or no oversight or accountability.

If you mean "Liberal" in the sense of reducing government taxation, then yes, he did that too. Only a bit sad that government spending increased vs. government income.

Apart from that, whipping people up in a frenzy of fear and have them crying for near-fascist monitoring and control of the public sphere, then that, I'm afraid, isn't to be found anywhere on the liberal agenda.

That's cute. Some people still think government expansion is "liberal?" Adorable.

FarkinNortherner: 10+(2008-2001)= ??

This sort of revisionist mathematics is fascinating to me...

2/10

Cute and some people don't remember true conservatives biatching about the amount of spending the past eight years. Kind of how we biatched about amnesty for law breakers, and a few other things. However, since we supported his war effort - that of course means we didn't biatch about anything.

Government Expansion *is* Liberal and the Republicans lost congress because they were (gasp) Too Liberal. Go figure, wow, Republican does not equal Conservative one hundred percent of the time - whodathunkit?!?

Confabulat: That explains why real conservatives complained and argued against him for eight years.

Oh wait, but you remember that right-wingers defended his every move and whined about the liberal media every time he was criticized?

Oh. Never mind.

Having much fun playing historical revisionists?

He was a kool-aid drinking, marajuana smoking liberal, and therefore everything that has gone wrong is the Democrat's fault!

/ 1/10
/I'll rate my own troll to save anyone else from wasting pixels by quoting me.

PoopStain: Liberal only in government spending or expansion of government power.

Wrong. Liberals know how to balance books and believe in good government. The Reagan Revolution is about spending (outsppending the Soviets was Reagan's only foreign policy idea) and attempting to bankrupt the government (starving the beast) by giving tax cuts to the rich.

The idea that "conservative" in the sense of hating brown people and gays is the same as "conservative" in the sense of being careful is a complete lie.

More Gov to the rescue is comming?

I mean we got a new drug program for seniors, and they did not even have to ask for it.

More unneeded programs exist than can even be counted

Its only going to go downhill from here under Chairman Obama.

CanisNoir: Cute and some people don't remember true conservatives biatching about the amount of spending the past eight years.

Cite sources.

Oh, and classic No True Scotsman.

CanisNoir: the Republicans lost congress because they were (gasp) Too Liberal

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

eddyatwork: If by liberal you mean corporate fascist whore then yes, he is very liberal.

Iirc, fascists were ostensibly the liberal party. Social change for the benefit of the common man, and all that. So your comment makes just as much sense with the sarcasm removed, if not more. Just letting you know.

That said, Bush = not conservative? Well, durr.

Bush = liberal? No, and anyone that doesn't laugh at this suggestion needs a knock or two upside the head. He's liberal on very, very restricted subjects (immigration, maybe, though the party never really let him express that one properly), but certainly not in general. Liberal implies a certain set of general goals which he lacks.

//Yes, I'm serious about the facists being liberal. There are a broad spectrum of methods to attempt to maximize overall individual liberty, and it's hardly the first or the last to mistakenly think that forced social/economic equality was gonna help there, or nitpick over who was a proper citizen and thus merited the benefits of the system.

Some people can be content
Playing Bingo and paying rent.
That's peachy for some people
For some humdrum people to be.
But, some people ain't me.

/Happy solstice! Enjoy the Merman worm I just placed in your ear

Occam's Chainsaw: CanisNoir: Cute and some people don't remember true conservatives biatching about the amount of spending the past eight years.

Cite sources.

Oh, and classic No True Scotsman.

Hell just go back through Limbaugh's archives, or even Hannities for that matter. (Though if you chose to go through Hannities, man drink lots before hand as I wouldn't wish that on an enemy)

Seriously to think that Conservatives have been hunky dory and cheer leading Bush all along is silliness. They've biatched and moaned about things but generally the anti-war crowd has managed to shout any other complainers out - so I can understand the image.

/Time to watch another episode of Last Exile - really enjoying it, recommend it.

You all know Stalin wasn't a real communist, don't you?

Confabulat: FarkinNortherner: 10+(2008-2001)= ??

This sort of revisionist mathematics is fascinating to me...

I was 17 when I started college. And do you think a few months here or there really matter?

"Some people could make the argument that 17 is not 'all grown up'"

FTA: "I don't know that Bush had the right answers, but I do think he was asking the right questions."

Since when has there been any evidence that this man ever asks questions?

CanisNoir: Hell just go back through Limbaugh's archives, or even Hannities for that matter

Haha great idea, just the way to spend my Xmas vacation.

Bush is a liberal only for Republicans who refuse to accept that he's their ideological spawn.

One reason why Obama is being cursed as a Marxist and is that the Republicans need the term "liberal" to insult the people they elected last time.

Not terribly surprising, the right has been doing this for decades. Their whole big thing is taking anything government-related that doesn't work as well as it could and claim it's a liberal thing. Many of which were their policies in the first place. It's nothing new, and should be basically expected at this point.

ilambiquated: CanisNoir: Hell just go back through Limbaugh's archives, or even Hannities for that matter

Haha great idea, just the way to spend my Xmas vacation.

Now that's a GREAT pic for the situation!

CanisNoir: Cute and some people don't remember true conservatives biatching about the amount of spending the past eight years. Kind of how we biatched about amnesty for law breakers, and a few other things. However, since we supported his war effort - that of course means we didn't biatch about anything.

the only thing you "conservatives" biatched about were the liberal traitors who had "bush derangement syndrome."

btw, how did the war effort that you guys supported turn out?

So many hasty generalizations and false dichotomies here, and so very little time.

Anyway, I think the only 'liberal' things about Bush are his tendency to ignore laws and convention and do whatever he wanted. But that's severely stretching the definition of liberal, and has nothing to do with liberal politics.

Bu**sh** is, however, precisely the wrong sort of bomb-throwing radical.

Neeek: Not terribly surprising, the right has been doing this for decades. Their whole big thing is taking anything government-related that doesn't work as well as it could and claim it's a liberal thing. Many of which were their policies in the first place. It's nothing new, and should be basically expected at this point.

Sounds like Farkistan,,,"those dern evil elitist book learned leebrals."

CanisNoir: Cute and some people don't remember true conservatives biatching about the amount of spending the past eight years. Kind of how we biatched about amnesty for law breakers, and a few other things. However, since we supported his war effort - that of course means we didn't biatch about anything.

I remember - next to nobody standing up in the conservative media or in Congress, except for Ron Paul (who was then painted as a loon) and saying anything like what you remember.

Since this all happened during the age of the Internet, perhaps you can post a number of links to support your faulty memory.

With respect to amnesty for law breakers - you might remember that Ronald Reagan was first in line with that one - or was that the Ronald Reagan, evil liberal twin that did that?

CanisNoir: Government Expansion *is* Liberal and the Republicans lost congress because they were (gasp) Too Liberal. Go figure, wow, Republican does not equal Conservative one hundred percent of the time - whodathunkit?!?

Really?

The federal government didn't grow enormously under Presidents Reagan and Bush? It didn't shrink under President Clinton?

The problem, my friend, is that you believe what the radio tells you and pay zero attention to the facts. I can't say that I would blame you, what and all considering that most of what you believe is fantasy and the facts would force you to admit that to yourself - something that I'm sure you would find quite uncomfortable.

anyone got that cartoon where 35 years ago Rove, Cheney, and Bush were liberals who planned a secret mission to undermine the republican party from within?

Confabulat: That explains why real conservatives complained and argued against him for eight years.

Oh wait, but you remember that right-wingers defended his every move and whined about the liberal media every time he was criticized?

You don't reach upper-teen approval ratings unless some of your conservative base starts saying "fark you, you are on your own". Sure, you will always have those dolts that will approve no matter what you do, but there are a lot of conservatives (my self included) that does not agree with much of what he does.

If you are going to keep taxes low, fine, but you have to realize that you cant spend like a drunken sailor at the same time.

/That abortion of a farm bill did it for me.

winterwhile: More Gov to the rescue is comming?

I mean we got a new drug program for seniors, and they did not even have to ask for it.

For years senior citizens have been hurt under the rise of prescription drugs prices. They coined the term, "heat, eat or freeze" while testifying before Congress that many had to cut their prescription drugs into halfs or quarters in order to make it through the month. To add insult to injury, many of these seniors are our veterans.

But you wouldn't know anything about that. Heck, you don't know anything about anything - but you kneejerk with the best of them.

Heartless asshole.
Way to support the troops.