I think this may go green..
in my heart i feel like a queen.
my mom says im a man.
but all i want is to get a tan.

gtg, my SO wants to screw
im thinking not after the fit he threw.

//ghey , penis ?

Duelling boxers would have been more interesting.

Equal Rights vs. Subjective Morality

Who will win?

Jerry Brown's still alive?

I went to the SF gay pride event and I can report that briefs, or any other kind of underwear, were not really their kind of thing.

schattenteufel: Equal Rights vs. Subjective Morality

Who will win?

Ya know...I'd like to say equal rights...but I'm not so sure anymore.

Democracy...um yeah, later for that.

schattenteufel: Equal Rights vs. Subjective Morality

Who will win?

But if the gays win then who will whitey have to keep down?


/Seriously why is this an issue. Two adults want to be married to each other.. It doesn't hurt you just let them.

sunbird: I went to the SF gay pride event and I can report that briefs, or any other kind of underwear, were not really their kind of thing.

Assless chaps are the only way to go when you're in San Francisco.

Why do the equal right supporters of State laws want the State to recognize a union of man and woman before God holding a sacrificial relationship that is in effect for life and only able to dissolve upon death of one member?

NYZooMan: Democracy...um yeah, later for that.

good thing we are a republic...

/cue republic versus democracy versus democratic republic debate thread in 3...2...
//grabs popcorn

Sure you can get married. Just don't fornicate.
Unless you are two hot chicks.
On the flip side.. One big pink in the hairy stink, is shunned by some people.

It puts the lotion in the basket...

You know, at this point, the thing has been argued into the ground, and I've yet to hear a legit reason from the Pro8 crowd. Other than they feel personally offended. Which is stupid. The constitution shouldn't be changed just because you've got a stick up your ass.

NYZooMan: Democracy...um yeah, later for that.


Indeed, especially considering that the US is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Single White Male: Assless chaps are the only way to go when you're in San Francisco.

All chaps are, by definition, assless.

/the more you know...

hoohoodilly: Jerry Brown's still alive?

I knew that. I just don't he stopped being a moron.

/been gone from CA since 2002. When the fark did he become AG?

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution

This is why I wasn't all that excited either way about Prop 8's passage. I think we saw this move coming from a mile away, and I'm sure the California Supreme Court will throw out Prop 8.

kerpal32: hoohoodilly: Jerry Brown's still alive?

I knew that. I just don't know when he stopped being a moron.

/been gone from CA since 2002. When the fark did he become AG?

FTFM. Excuse the incomplete sentences. multitasking.

llewyrr: You know, at this point, the thing has been argued into the ground, and I've yet to hear a legit reason from the Pro8 crowd. Other than they feel personally offended. Which is stupid. The constitution shouldn't be changed just because you've got a stick up your ass.

Don't you know? Two men marrying (women never seem to enter the picture in their arguments) will DESTROY civilization. Really! It will! DESTROY IT! Gone! POOF!

/love the double word play in your last sentence ...

bravian: NYZooMan: Democracy...um yeah, later for that.

good thing we are a republic...

/cue republic versus democracy versus democratic republic debate thread in 3...2...
//grabs popcorn

You timed that about right...

Biological Ali at 2008-12-20 01:56:03 PM

What comes next?

You know, at this point, the thing has been argued into the ground, and I've yet to hear a legit reason from the Pro8 crowd. Other than they feel personally offended. Which is stupid. The constitution shouldn't be changed just because you've got a stick up your ass.

Marriage, historically, has been the union of one man and one (or many women) woman. To change the definition to include same-sex will change the family structure, line of succession and future generations.

I understand why the State got involved but at this point, it'd be better if the State stayed out of Marriage altogether. I'll give up any tax breaks to make it happen.

schattenteufel: Equal Rights vs. Subjective Morality

Who will win?

If it's up to the CA Supreme Court, whatever the CA state constitution supports should win. But that won't stop dishonest little turds like Skinnyhead and NYZooMan from screaming about the will of the people.

I'm not married. Do I have fewer rights than someone who is?

NYZooMan: Democracy...um yeah, later for that.

I'm ready for my close up, Mr. John Stuart Mill.

Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling, against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development and, if possible, prevent the formation of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own.

kerpal32: hoohoodilly: Jerry Brown's still alive?

I knew that. I just don't he stopped being a moron.

You need a verb in there somewhere, Einstein.

thenateman: I'm not married. Do I have fewer rights than someone who is?

No you have more... MANY more:)

ZoSo_the_Crowe: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution

As far as I can tell with California laws, anyone designated in medical and financial documents have the same right as a spouse.

thenateman: I'm not married. Do I have fewer rights than someone who is?

You might be one of those homos in disguise, so of course you do. You'd best get yourself a woman real quick to put those doubts to rest. Just like Ted Haggard!

thenateman: I'm not married. Do I have fewer rights than someone who is?

Well, that depends. Do you have the right to marry someone you love?

How do you use the existing constitution to block an amendment to itself? The entire idea is to change what the constitution says. I don't care what the issue is, you can't say: This amendment to the constitution violates the constitution...

That's the entire point!

Connector_connection: thenateman: I'm not married. Do I have fewer rights than someone who is?

No you have more... MANY more:)

This!

/weeps for married friends

MrPerfectSU: All chaps are, by definition, assless.

I was waiting for someone to make this comment.

vaconex: Marriage, historically, has been the union of one man and one (or many women) woman. To change the definition to include same-sex will change the family structure, line of succession and future generations.

I like to let you in on a little secret - families with single parents and same sex parents exist today. They will not magically go away just because you want to legislate their existence away.

/really wished I didn't have to spend 10k+ to setup a partnership when my brother can throw away a few hundred in a vegas wedding...

Biological Ali: Well, that depends. Do you have the right to marry someone you love?

TFA says Californians can marry people of the same sex. It just won't be "recognized," meaning they'll have the same rights as me.

Connector_connection: schattenteufel: Equal Rights vs. Subjective Morality

Who will win?

But if the gays win then who will whitey have to keep down?


/Seriously why is this an issue. Two adults want to be married to each other.. It doesn't hurt you just let them.

Yeah, then if people want to do their own thing and call it, Islam, what's the problem? Isn't hurting you! It's government co-opting religion.

Interesting that it wasn't "whitey" that voted for the thing... but by all means, keep blaming "him" anyway. No sense in abandoning something that's worked so well for so long.

Maybe the answer is to just make everyone be "legal domestic partners" and leave the marriage shiat to religion? Hey, I seem to remember reading somewhere about the separation of church and state. Why don't we, you know, like do that?

MrPerfectSU: Single White Male: Assless chaps are the only way to go when you're in San Francisco.

All chaps are, by definition, assless.

/the more you know...

Protip: don't wear a thong with them, cuz it just gets in the way.


...Or so I have heard.

/quietly backs out of the room

King_Web: How do you use the existing constitution to block an amendment to itself? The entire idea is to change what the constitution says. I don't care what the issue is, you can't say: This amendment to the constitution violates the constitution...

That's the entire point!

Wellllll, If the constitution now says two very different things like People have the Right to do something, and they don't have the right to do something, something has got to give. And since 8 didn't get the 60% needed to be unquestioned....

Besides, it isn't like they are going to throw out the rest of teh Constitution and have a constitution that is only about gays not marrying.

bravian: Don't you know? Two men marrying (women never seem to enter the picture in their arguments) will DESTROY civilization. Really! It will! DESTROY IT! Gone! POOF!

And men will be farking turtles, which means no more human babies or little turtles. Please, think of the turtles!

sunbird: I went to the SF gay pride event and I can report that briefs, or any other kind of underwear, were not really their kind of thing.

Were you there for just research

Is the whole point of requiring marriage be between a man and a woman in order to force men to marry women?

So many have pointed out that it's the idea of men marrying men that freaks out the Prop 8 supporters.

I think this is why they think gay marriage is a threat to their marriages. Must be.

So many of the Prop 8 supporters are the guys who like hanging out with the other guys - at church, of course, plotting their next Christian tactic.

bravian: I like to let you in on a little secret - families with single parents and same sex parents exist today. They will not magically go away just because you want to legislate their existence away.
...

I am not a fan, sure, but I know they won't go away. I'm talking about the State recognizing such unions.

theorellior: bravian: Don't you know? Two men marrying (women never seem to enter the picture in their arguments) will DESTROY civilization. Really! It will! DESTROY IT! Gone! POOF!

And men will be farking turtles, which means no more human babies or little turtles. Please, think of the turtles!

You have no idea. After CT legalized gay marriage, that's all I saw for days on end. Getting cigarettes? Some dude farking a turtle on the register. Going to work? Turtle gang bangs on Main Street. You really don't want to know what I saw at the Zoo and the Aquarium.

Atypical Person Reading Fark: So many of the Prop 8 supporters are black.

Fixt.

vaconex: ZoSo_the_Crowe: "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution

As far as I can tell with California laws, anyone designated in medical and financial documents have the same right as a spouse.

It's not about that.

It's about giving homosexuals who view marriage as the ultimate expression of love the privilege of marrying.

A government denying them this privilege is officially declaring them lesser human beings.

Single White Male: sunbird: I went to the SF gay pride event and I can report that briefs, or any other kind of underwear, were not really their kind of thing.

Assless chaps are the only way to go when you're in San Francisco.

Aren't all chaps assless?

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Is the whole point of requiring marriage be between a man and a woman in order to force men to marry women?

So many have pointed out that it's the idea of men marrying men that freaks out the Prop 8 supporters.

I think this is why they think gay marriage is a threat to their marriages. Must be.

So many of the Prop 8 supporters are the guys who like hanging out with the other guys - at church, of course, plotting their next Christian tactic.

So silly.

/goes back to plotting tactics