Decriminalization? I didn't know gayness was a crime. Ya know the gays are going to get their equal rights sooner or later, so why not sooner?

Equal rights for everyone, unless the Christians demand otherwise.

Are there any western nations west of the USA?

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Decriminalization?

makes it sound like pot.

/you have to go to england to smoke a fag though

AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

Last I checked, the nations in Europe.

AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

No, they're all east.

This is madness. Men can't make babies by having sex with other men. You could look it up.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Decriminalization? I didn't know gayness was a crime.

As stated in TFA: "More than 70 U.N. members outlaw homosexuality, and in several of them homosexual acts can be punished by execution."

And, Subby, by using the "change" thing in the headline, are you somehow trying to associate this with Obama? Because he's not, you know, actually President yet, and doesn't have any control over how the U.S. votes on a U.N. resolution.

Christ. This is what the UN does?

Pocket Ninja: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

No, they're all east.

That depends on where you live.

If you're anywhere east of Europe - The Americas and Europe are considered the Western Nations.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Decriminalization? I didn't know gayness was a crime.

Before 2003 there were quite a few laws still on the books, after that all state laws were invalidated by Lawrence v. Texas; however, the US military decided that that decision doesn't fully apply to them.

AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

Superawesomemagicland.

AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

There's an xkcd for everything!

ooo. Someone tell Bubba Redstate that the US is just like the Muslins. Please have a video camera running when you do.

Cyberluddite: And, Subby, by using the "change" thing in the headline, are you somehow trying to associate this with Obama? Because he's not, you know, actually President yet, and doesn't have any control over how the U.S. votes on a U.N. resolution.

I came in to discuss this too. Not only does this have nothing to do with Obama or his campaign, TFA states:

According to some of the declaration's backers, U.S. officials expressed concern in private talks that some parts of the declaration might be problematic in committing the federal government on matters that fall under state jurisdiction. In numerous states, landlords and private employers are allowed to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation; on the federal level, gays are not allowed to serve openly in the military.

Carolyn Vadino, a spokeswoman for the U.S. mission to the U.N., stressed that the United States - despite its unwillingness to sign - condemned any human rights violations related to sexual orientation.

While almost everyone would agree that hate crimes against homosexuals should be punishable by law, we enter a gray area when trying to make laws about who landlords can rent to and who employers can hire. If we allow every slight against homosexuals to be punishable by law, how many people are going to take advantage of this? How much easier are we making it to use the adage, "You won't hire me because I'm gay" (or black or a woman, etc.) People in this country should be free to be gay, and people who have a problem with it should be free not to have any part in it.

Anyway, this country is still reeling from white guilt and affirmative action. Let's do one thing at a time.

SJKebab: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

There's an xkcd for everything!

Normally I like XKCD, but...



"The world doesn't revolve around me! Waaaaaah!"

ThrnPhl: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

Superawesomemagicland.

Then it must be conquered.

There was broad opposition from Muslim nations, and the United States refused to sign...

I'm so proud...*sniff*

This issue should be revisited in after Jan. 20th

Pocket Ninja: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

No, they're all east.

Not true. If you keep going west long enough, you will reach the other western nations. Natch. ;)

Cyberluddite: And, Subby, by using the "change" thing in the headline, are you somehow trying to associate this with Obama?

Obama picked a Prop 8 supporting pastor to give the invocation at his inauguration.

Not cool.

AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

Last I checked the planet was a sphere.

platkat: SJKebab: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

There's an xkcd for everything!

Normally I like XKCD, but...

"The world doesn't revolve around me! Waaaaaah!"

I took it as him pointing out an idiosyncrasy. Hmm.

jbuist: Obama picked a Prop 8 supporting pastor to give the invocation at his inauguration.

Not cool.

Obama's a christian, it's what they believe.

jbuist: Cyberluddite: And, Subby, by using the "change" thing in the headline, are you somehow trying to associate this with Obama?

Obama picked a Prop 8 supporting pastor to give the invocation at his inauguration.

Not cool.

All though I think this will piss off a portion of the populace, (the pick) I do believe he is trying to reach out to all... to find some common ground.
/and to have it on the roster for debate
//one step at a time

jbuist: Cyberluddite: And, Subby, by using the "change" thing in the headline, are you somehow trying to associate this with Obama?

Obama picked a Prop 8 supporting pastor to give the invocation at his inauguration.

Not cool.

Well I hope in the future he clears all the political views of everyone at his inauguration with you.

I support gay marriage but if the pastor didn't also support abortions, stem cell research and late-term abortions, then dude... not cool.

jbuist: Obama picked a Prop 8 supporting pastor to give the invocation at his inauguration.

and he picked joseph lowery, a civil rights heavyweight, who strongly opposed prop 8, to give the benediction

Dread Pirate Slasher: Obama's a christian, it's what they believe.

I'm a Christian. Not only do I support gay marriage so does my church. So does Obama's, if he is still part of a church that belongs to the United Church of Christ.

If someone gives an invocation at an event, does that mean that everyone must subscribe to all of that person's beliefs?

Give it a farking break.

I'm an anti-gay American who also refuses to wear a condemn.

rodeofrog: I'm an anti-gay American who also refuses to wear a condemn.

And don't we know it.

ExJerseyGirl: Well I hope in the future he clears all the political views of everyone at his inauguration with you.

Why the hell would he do that? I'm a Republican.


I support gay marriage but if the pastor didn't also support abortions, stem cell research and late-term abortions, then dude... not cool.

He's against gay marriage (fought for Prop 8 in CA) anti-abortion and anti-embryonic stem cell research.

Seems like a stupid choice to me. Rick Warren's got more in common with Bush 41 than Obama.

ExJerseyGirl: If someone gives an invocation at an event, does that mean that everyone must subscribe to all of that person's beliefs?

Well, no...but the dude has said some pretty bad things. I mean, imagine it were 40 years ago, and the Pres-Elect invited an opponent of civil rights/supporter of Jim Crow to speak.

In a way, I don't like it, in a way I do (it's passing the torch from a truly hate-filled ultra-right wing evangelical leadership to one that appears to be genuinely concerned about things like poverty, peace, and all that, even if I think he's still behind on some issues)...but mostly I wish preacher-men weren't so front and center in the inauguration at all.

Lionel Mandrake: I mean, imagine it were 40 years ago, and the Pres-Elect invited an opponent of civil rights/supporter of Jim Crow to speak.

Not even remotely the same thing. Comparing being gay to being a certain race is causing some backlash, IMHO.

Dread Pirate Slasher: Not even remotely the same thing. Comparing being gay to being a certain race is causing some backlash, IMHO.

The arguments against gay marriage, pretty much the last thing they're fighting for, are pretty similar to the old arguments against interracial marriage.

It's a valid comparison.

Dread Pirate Slasher: Lionel Mandrake: I mean, imagine it were 40 years ago, and the Pres-Elect invited an opponent of civil rights/supporter of Jim Crow to speak.

Not even remotely the same thing. Comparing being gay to being a certain race is causing some backlash, IMHO.

Well, I am by no means going to try to change your mind, but I think it's quite comparable. And it may be causing some backlash against some people, I don't know, but it is also creating passion and intensity on the other side of the debate, as well.

I don't know about you, but I never chose to be straight. At one point, girls stopped being icky and started being very appealing. I was no more able to direct my libido at men than I was to change the color of my skin.

jbuist: It's a valid comparison.

Perhaps, but I still feel that a lot of the black community are pissed off about the comparison and voted accordingly on Prop 8.

Nothing is going to change the mind of those against it. I feel like the focus should be on the legal aspect of marriage in general. It's too bad some have felt like taking their protests into the churches, it's causing even more hate. Plus, it's asinine and sets a poor example.

mamoru: Not true. If you keep going west long enough, you will reach the other western nations. Natch. ;)

See, I knew I should have used a winky emoticon.

platkat: SJKebab: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

There's an xkcd for everything!

Normally I like XKCD, but...



"The world doesn't revolve around me! Waaaaaah!"

How can you like xkcd when you obviously don't get it?

Lionel Mandrake: I don't know about you, but I never chose to be straight. At one point, girls stopped being icky and started being very appealing. I was no more able to direct my libido at men than I was to change the color of my skin.

Clearly you should go into intense bible study here at my Ex-Straight Ministries. It's where men come to be with men, as Jesus intended.

For shame, US. For shame.

Rest of the world, we'll get there. We're huge fans of drama, though. Especially our gays (wooka-wooka-wooka...f*ck you, it worked for Fozzie Bear.) But don't lose sight of us.

We're a relatively young nation when all things are considered. But even you have to agree that we've done some pretty good things up to this point. Don't write us off. We're cool, lame, chav, loco, offensive, infidels, 1980's-style-awesome, right-on-the-money, eh...doughnuts-n-hockey...(well, our more civil brothers to the north),chiseling twatters, WTF, lol, zomfg, nice and...just there. We are everything.

We're also the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads. In the end, c'mon. You all adore us. We're righteous dudes.

We make mistakes. Everyone does. The best I can say is that we wear our mistakes on our sleeves. We're Americans. You get what you see...except for the fat chicks

*looks around*

Shiat!

Well, we're working on it.

/sexy wink at rest of world
//sexy wink at big girls
///steals doughnut from a Candian
////runs
////now getting chased by a big girl and a Canadian

Pocket Ninja: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

No, they're all east.

Only for lazy people.

Just sign the damn thing and ignore it. America has already shown that we won't abide by treaties or declarations we find inconvenient anyway.

It's a farking non-binding resolution. It doesn't have any legal weight in our country.

Refusal to sign this is our government's way of saying, "We won't even publicly state that it's wrong to execute people for being gay."

USA! USA! USA!

Doctor Funkenstein: For shame, US. For shame.

Rest of the world, we'll get there. We're huge fans of drama, though. Especially our gays (wooka-wooka-wooka...f*ck you, it worked for Fozzie Bear.) But don't lose sight of us.

We're a relatively young nation when all things are considered. But even you have to agree that we've done some pretty good things up to this point. Don't write us off. We're cool, lame, chav, loco, offensive, infidels, 1980's-style-awesome, right-on-the-money, eh...doughnuts-n-hockey...(well, our more civil brothers to the north),chiseling twatters, WTF, lol, zomfg, nice and...just there. We are everything.

We're also the sportos, the motorheads, geeks, sluts, bloods, waistoids, dweebies, dickheads. In the end, c'mon. You all adore us. We're righteous dudes.

We make mistakes. Everyone does. The best I can say is that we wear our mistakes on our sleeves. We're Americans. You get what you see...except for the fat chicks

*looks around*

Shiat!

Well, we're working on it.

/sexy wink at rest of world
//sexy wink at big girls
///steals doughnut from a Candian
////runs
////now getting chased by a big girl and a Canadian

////you did the same slashies for two different slashies, for shame
// I apolojise for all good Americanagens

AlwaysRightBoy
////you did the same slashies for two different slashies, for shame

Shiat.

////sorry

Pocket Ninja: mamoru: Not true. If you keep going west long enough, you will reach the other western nations. Natch. ;)

See, I knew I should have used a winky emoticon.

Not necessary. I was being sarcastically pedantic to your sarcastic... errr... sarcasm. ;)

jaylectricity: platkat: SJKebab: AlwaysRightBoy: Are there any western nations west of the USA?

There's an xkcd for everything!

Normally I like XKCD, but...



"The world doesn't revolve around me! Waaaaaah!"

How can you like xkcd when you obviously don't get it?

I got it fine. I just look at it in a different way from you... a concept that cartoon doesn't seem to "get".

Doctor Funkenstein: //sexy wink at big girls
///steals doughnut from a Candian
////runs
////now getting chased by a big girl and a Canadian

//sexy wink back

Ya know, between Cheney admitting to torture, this, and other recent events- maybe it's time for revolution.

platkat: Doctor Funkenstein: //sexy wink at big girls
///steals doughnut from a Candian
////runs
////now getting chased by a big girl and a Canadian

//sexy wink back

Ha! Alright. I'll admit it. I looked at the profile.

/tips hat
...hmmmmm
//puts hat on
///tips it

Well played.

Seems equal to me as it also refuses to condem anti-straight laws too.