Oh boy, someone's gonna have your ass for that one subby.

Cool, daddy-o.

I happen to like jazz, so no +1 for you subby.

Couldn't find yet another article about Metallica or Axl Pose, smitty?

I dunno.

I might check one or two discs, but Carla Bley?
Man, I thought she was unlistenable 30 years ago and she's still
making music?

Wow.

outatime: Couldn't find yet another article about Metallica or Axl Pose, smitty?

I thought rap music and Nine Inch Nails were the main stomping grounds of Fark subbies. Oh, and Radiohead. Can't forget them.

I wonder what Johnny thinks of all this.

Stuff White People Like: Black Music that Black People Don't Listen To Anymore (new window)

These albums will be great for my gated communities smooth jazz and mayonnaise festival.

Ron Burgundy on the Jazz Flute?

I don't know shiat about jazz, but I like Frank Kimbrough.

what's with all this indie bullshiat? List is incomplete without Death Magnetic or Chinese Democracy..

How about something from 1965?

Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

And you people deride Nickelback. Gimme a break.

John Buck 41: Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

And you people deride Nickelback. Gimme a break.

Yes, because Nickelback is on a whole 'nother level than those talentless hacks like Coltrane.

The connection of the notes is the HEART!

irockalot: I wonder what Johnny thinks of all this.

Silly person; don't you know that Johnny can't read?

John Buck 41 wrote:

"Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

And you people deride Nickelback. Gimme a break."

If you really believe that, you're one seriously dumb motherfarker.

Glitchwerks: John Buck 41: Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

And you people deride Nickelback. Gimme a break.

Yes, because Nickelback is on a whole 'nother level than those talentless hacks like Coltrane.

Listen to the Sonny Rollins clip in the article. The writer calls it one of the greatest jazz albums EVER. If I could teach my dog to blow into a saxophone, and slap the keys with her paws, it'd sound the same. I rest my case.

John Buck 41:
Listen to the Sonny Rollins clip in the article. The writer calls it one of the greatest jazz albums EVER. If I could teach my dog to blow into a saxophone, and slap the keys with her paws, it'd sound the same. I rest my case.

Great. You don't like it. Thanks for sharing that with us, we really appreciate your contribution here today.

For the cool cats...Jimmy Smith...The Sermon...Live in 1964

Link (new window)

John Buck 41: Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

Would like to have a word with you

and kick your can from here to Japan

Airmen of Note! (new window)

/my friend is the singer :-)
//she is DAMN good!

ANSON!

I never heard the long version before!

EXCELLENT STUFF!

None of the 3 albums Medeski Martin and Wood released this year were listed. Not real jazz?

thank you for bringing this up subby, but fark you for the headline

/big jazz fan
//yes I am white and a music student

Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

Boy are you a dumbass. Ever transcribe a jazz solo? Ever analyze one? Maybe you're just a dipshiat with a single digit second attention span. IF you took your head out of your ass, learned something about music and theory, actually transcribed some solos to see what the soloists are doing, you would have enormous respect for what they do.

/or maybe you're a troll.
//Carla Bley is wonderful. Check out her album "The Lost Chords with Paolo Fresu" with Steve Swallow as well.

Sonny Rollins brings the house down every farkin time. An amazing talent!

/listening to dizzy now.
//Fark you subby for the HL but a great find, thanks.

Slamguy: Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.

Boy are you a dumbass. Ever transcribe a jazz solo? Ever analyze one? Maybe you're just a dipshiat with a single digit second attention span. IF you took your head out of your ass, learned something about music and theory, actually transcribed some solos to see what the soloists are doing, you would have enormous respect for what they do.

/or maybe you're a troll.
//Carla Bley is wonderful. Check out her album "The Lost Chords with Paolo Fresu" with Steve Swallow as well.

....and this.

I vote for Tim Warfield, One For Shirley.

Take improvisational jazz. It's almost unbearable if I just listen to the music. But if I imagine the musician playing the music, it sounds really cool. Anybody else like that?

Here's a gem. I ran across this clip from the JC show the other day so for all the Jazz drummers out there- Buddy and Ed duke it out. Gimme some skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNhnioNNIPI

Wow, you guys are worse than beer snobs, and that's a pretty high bar. Good for you that you like jazz. At least you're passionate about it.

///not a dumbass
////not a troll
//I just know what my ears tell me

John Buck 41: Jazz---

a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion,
Just because you are unable or unwilling to connect with the melody or identify it, doesn't mean there isn't a connection. Jazz isn't for everyone, and obviously not for you, but stop being so heavy-handed. It's there, and you can't hear it.

performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.
Jazz was cool to like in the 60's, anymore it's not. What you fail to realize is that people who enjoy Jazz now do so simply because they enjoy it. No one would listen to avante-garde Coltrane if they didn't enjoy it, it's complex and challenging and often very messy. And just because I don't understand Nuclear Physics doesn't mean Nuclear Physicists are a pack of morons with no value to society.

And you people deride Nickelback. Gimme a break.
I agree that Jazz people tend to be elitist snobs and turn their nose up at popular music. It's obviously an ironic twist that people who enjoy such freedom as is in jazz can be so shallow-minded.

When most people try to understand where Jazz is now, they need to know how we got here. I would recommend going back and listening to some Charlie Parker and Miles pre-1959 (Kind of Blue, the birth of Cool are good ones). Jazz is very expansive and I hate when people discount the whole genre because they don't care for the more contemporary forms.

Millzners: John Buck 41: Jazz---

a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion,
Just because you are unable or unwilling to connect with the melody or identify it, doesn't mean there isn't a connection. Jazz isn't for everyone, and obviously not for you, but stop being so heavy-handed. It's there, and you can't hear it.

performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like.
Jazz was cool to like in the 60's, anymore it's not. What you fail to realize is that people who enjoy Jazz now do so simply because they enjoy it. No one would listen to avante-garde Coltrane if they didn't enjoy it, it's complex and challenging and often very messy. And just because I don't understand Nuclear Physics doesn't mean Nuclear Physicists are a pack of morons with no value to society.

And you people deride Nickelback. Gimme a break.
I agree that Jazz people tend to be elitist snobs and turn their nose up at popular music. It's obviously an ironic twist that people who enjoy such freedom as is in jazz can be so shallow-minded.

When most people try to understand where Jazz is now, they need to know how we got here. I would recommend going back and listening to some Charlie Parker and Miles pre-1959 (Kind of Blue, the birth of Cool are good ones). Jazz is very expansive and I hate when people discount the whole genre because they don't care for the more contemporary forms.

Thanks for a rational response to my criticisms of jazz. You make an excellent point about their close-mindedness. At least you were polite. For the record, I have sampled it enought to know I dislike it. And again, I do admire their passion.

So you've listened to guys like Fred Frith, Bob Belden, Scott Kinsey, Cuong Vu, Bill Frissell, Pat Metheny and Geoff Keezer and you still dislike it and find them to produce melodies and solos that are unconnected?

These are just contemporary musicians, btw.

Slamguy: So you've listened to guys like Fred Frith, Bob Belden, Scott Kinsey, Cuong Vu, Bill Frissell, Pat Metheny and Geoff Keezer and you still dislike it and find them to produce melodies and solos that are unconnected?

No. Do you seriously expect me to listen to 6 or 7 acts of any genre before I can decide whether I like it or not? And besides, by my definition, if those gentlemen you mention produce melodies that are connected, they must not be playing jazz.

No. Do you seriously expect me to listen to 6 or 7 acts of any genre before I can decide whether I like it or not?

No, I would expect you to listen to more.

The best thing for you to do is go to amazon.com, buy the Omnibook (or another book of transcribed jazz solos) and Mark Levine's Jazz theory book (or a theory book of comparable content). That's the only way you're going to realize how jazz musicians play.

Face it, you're just an ignorant tool. Here are some ways Jazz players play:

1) Jazz pianists will often follow classical methods of voice leading to create a smooth contour and resolve each chord tone to it's closest note in order to connect one chord to the next.

2) Bass players almost always approach the 1st beat of a new chord by step-wise motion, either from above or below. This is a good way to connect one chord to the next. Another thing that bass plays do is to outline a triad, specifically the root and 5th in order to better connect their playing to the harmony.

3) When playing a minor scale (Aeolian or Dorian specifically) soloists often raise the leading tone from a m7 to a M7 to connect two phrases together, specifically if that phrase starts on the root of them same chord.

4) There are other scales that use the leading tone besides harmonic and melodic minor, and Ionian and Lydian. Consider the dominant bebop scale, which has a minor 7th AND a ajor 7th.

5) Soloists will often outline triads as well in order to connect their playing with the harmony.

6) There are many patterns and licks out there. Hundreds of them. Jazz musicians memorize each of these patterns in all twelve keys in order to be prepared to solo over any song in any key. Many of these patterns are basic patterns with smooth contours and logical setups. If you digitize each note of a scale, you can think of them like this:

Pattern 1: 1234-2345-3456-4567 and descending
Pattern 2: 1324-3546-5768 and descending once again.

These are 2 of hundreds of standard jazz paterns that musicians have used for say, at least 70 years in order to create smooth, flowing melodies and melodic solos.

Shiat, these are just things that charlie parker would do back in the 40s.

Jazz has morphed unbelievably in that last 100 or so years. Jazz is as diverse as rap, hip-hop, country, metal and classic rock and more combined. To make such casual statements as "I don't like Jazz" or "they don't play melodies that are connected" would take years of study in order to justify.

Get educated or quit embarrassing yourself.
Was this response rational enough for you?

Slamguy: No. Do you seriously expect me to listen to 6 or 7 acts of any genre before I can decide whether I like it or not?

No, I would expect you to listen to more.

The best thing for you to do is go to amazon.com, buy the Omnibook (or another book of transcribed jazz solos) and Mark Levine's Jazz theory book (or a theory book of comparable content). That's the only way you're going to realize how jazz musicians play.

Face it, you're just an ignorant tool. Here are some ways Jazz players play:

1) Jazz pianists will often follow classical methods of voice leading to create a smooth contour and resolve each chord tone to it's closest note in order to connect one chord to the next.

2) Bass players almost always approach the 1st beat of a new chord by step-wise motion, either from above or below. This is a good way to connect one chord to the next. Another thing that bass plays do is to outline a triad, specifically the root and 5th in order to better connect their playing to the harmony.

3) When playing a minor scale (Aeolian or Dorian specifically) soloists often raise the leading tone from a m7 to a M7 to connect two phrases together, specifically if that phrase starts on the root of them same chord.

4) There are other scales that use the leading tone besides harmonic and melodic minor, and Ionian and Lydian. Consider the dominant bebop scale, which has a minor 7th AND a ajor 7th.

5) Soloists will often outline triads as well in order to connect their playing with the harmony.

6) There are many patterns and licks out there. Hundreds of them. Jazz musicians memorize each of these patterns in all twelve keys in order to be prepared to solo over any song in any key. Many of these patterns are basic patterns with smooth contours and logical setups. If you digitize each note of a scale, you can think of them like this:

Pattern 1: 1234-2345-3456-4567 and descending
Pattern 2: 1324-3546-5768 and descending once again.

These are 2 of hundreds of standard jazz paterns that musicians have used for say, at least 70 years in order to create smooth, flowing melodies and melodic solos.

Shiat, these are just things that charlie parker would do back in the 40s.

Jazz has morphed unbelievably in that last 100 or so years. Jazz is as diverse as rap, hip-hop, country, metal and classic rock and more combined. To make such casual statements as "I don't like Jazz" or "they don't play melodies that are connected" would take years of study in order to justify.

Get educated or quit embarrassing yourself.
Was this response rational enough for you?

What part of 'no' don't you understand? Another farker in this thread was right...you are elitist snobs. Go ahead and tout your music all you want. Oh, and while you're at it, slam every other genre, too. That's a great way to win new fans.

No, you're just profoundly ignorant. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that "I don't like metal because Metallica released one song 20 years ago that wasn't up to my standards."

Nice to call me a snob, though when A) you know nothing about my tastes (I wasn't denigrating other genres when I said that Jazz was so diverse) and B) you obviously can't defend your original statement that these musicians play unconnected melodies so you resort to name-calling and dodging the issue.

I accept the compliment of being called elitist, though.

I'm not interested in "winning you over," I just want you to quit typing uninformed gibberish on this sacred web forum that I take super-seriously.

I think somebody got told

Slamguy: No. Do you seriously expect me to listen to 6 or 7 acts of any genre before I can decide whether I like it or not?

No, I would expect you to listen to more.

The best thing for you to do is go to amazon.com, buy the Omnibook (or another book of transcribed jazz solos) and Mark Levine's Jazz theory book (or a theory book of comparable content). That's the only way you're going to realize how jazz musicians play.

Face it, you're just an ignorant tool. Here are some ways Jazz players play:

1) Jazz pianists will often follow classical methods of voice leading to create a smooth contour and resolve each chord tone to it's closest note in order to connect one chord to the next.

2) Bass players almost always approach the 1st beat of a new chord by step-wise motion, either from above or below. This is a good way to connect one chord to the next. Another thing that bass plays do is to outline a triad, specifically the root and 5th in order to better connect their playing to the harmony.

3) When playing a minor scale (Aeolian or Dorian specifically) soloists often raise the leading tone from a m7 to a M7 to connect two phrases together, specifically if that phrase starts on the root of them same chord.

4) There are other scales that use the leading tone besides harmonic and melodic minor, and Ionian and Lydian. Consider the dominant bebop scale, which has a minor 7th AND a ajor 7th.

5) Soloists will often outline triads as well in order to connect their playing with the harmony.

6) There are many patterns and licks out there. Hundreds of them. Jazz musicians memorize each of these patterns in all twelve keys in order to be prepared to solo over any song in any key. Many of these patterns are basic patterns with smooth contours and logical setups. If you digitize each note of a scale, you can think of them like this:

Pattern 1: 1234-2345-3456-4567 and descending
Pattern 2: 1324-3546-5768 and descending once again.

These are 2 of hundreds of standard jazz paterns that musicians have used for say, at least 70 years in order to create smooth, flowing melodies and melodic solos.

Shiat, these are just things that charlie parker would do back in the 40s.

Jazz has morphed unbelievably in that last 100 or so years. Jazz is as diverse as rap, hip-hop, country, metal and classic rock and more combined. To make such casual statements as "I don't like Jazz" or "they don't play melodies that are connected" would take years of study in order to justify.

Get educated or quit embarrassing yourself.
Was this response rational enough for you?

I'm a musician. I understand all of what you just posted.

Why should any of it mean a thing to a non-musician?

Slamguy: No, you're just profoundly ignorant. Your statement is the equivalent of saying that "I don't like metal because Metallica released one song 20 years ago that wasn't up to my standards."

Nice to call me a snob, though when A) you know nothing about my tastes (I wasn't denigrating other genres when I said that Jazz was so diverse) and B) you obviously can't defend your original statement that these musicians play unconnected melodies so you resort to name-calling and dodging the issue.

I accept the compliment of being called elitist, though.

I'm not interested in "winning you over," I just want you to quit typing uninformed gibberish on this sacred web forum that I take super-seriously.

..."Jazz is as diverse as rap, hip-hop, country, metal and classic rock and more combined." I assume you think diversity is a good thing, so how is that not denigrating other genres?

If a friend says "hey, you gotta try some Thai food (or pick any sort of ethnic food, I don't care), are you going to go to a dozen different Thai restaurants til you find something you like? It's a rhetorical question; if you say yes, you obviously choose to spend your leisure time differently than I do, and that's fine. I can give you more analogies---other kinds of music, reading material, movies, the kind of people you like to hang out with, where you choose to live, but hopefully you get my point. I've heard enough jazz to know I don't like it.

I will give you props for at least admitting you're elitist, though. Kudos.

"Why should any of it mean a thing to a non-musician?"

He was making an ignorant musical statement about "Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like."

I was telling him he was ignorant for making such a statement, and gave him ample examples of why he was wrong. He ignored these examples, ignored all of my attempts to educate him on his mistake, and instead dodged the issue and called me an elitist snob.

"If a friend says "hey, you gotta try some Thai food..."

Ok, I'll play with your retarded analogy. In this case, however, jazz is as diverse as the food in say, the entire eastern hemisphere. Would you be a dumbass (the answer is "yes") if you tried vietnamese cuisine and made the judgement that all food from the eastern hemisphere sucked?

What jazz have you listened to? From what decade? Anywhere from say, the 1930's to the present?

Slamguy: "Why should any of it mean a thing to a non-musician?"

He was making an ignorant musical statement about "Jazz---a series of notes, unconnected in any way shape or form in a melodic fashion, performed by talentless 'musicians', that people think it's cool to like."

I was telling him he was ignorant for making such a statement, and gave him ample examples of why he was wrong. He ignored these examples, ignored all of my attempts to educate him on his mistake, and instead dodged the issue and called me an elitist snob.

"If a friend says "hey, you gotta try some Thai food..."

Ok, I'll play with your retarded analogy. In this case, however, jazz is as diverse as the food in say, the entire eastern hemisphere. Would you be a dumbass (the answer is "yes") if you tried vietnamese cuisine and made the judgement that all food from the eastern hemisphere sucked?

What jazz have you listened to? From what decade? Anywhere from say, the 1930's to the present?

I can't remember, I nodded off. Tell ya what... how 'bout I listen to every farkin' recording of jazz in history and then get back to you?

I can't remember, I nodded off. Tell ya what... how 'bout I listen to every farkin' recording of jazz in history and then get back to you?

Ok.