Well that would definitely explain the Emanuel gag order.

He's completely innocent. He's Obama's Chief of Staff. There's no possible way he was doing anything nefarious.

Did I get that right?

Hmmmm...outgoing camp discussing its replacement with the guy who makes that call? Scandalous!

So what. Obviously he spoke with him. It's what he said that's the issue.

Remember that Fitzgerald has also specifically requested Obama's people to keep everything to themselves for the time being, so it's not as if he can come out and talk openly about Blago.

Ooo, speculation from the Tribunes gossip columnist? Wow, I knew they would get that hard evidence of wrongdoing on him!

Subby, you suck.

Wait, Michael Sneed is a chick?

Lockdown? Then what the hell was he doing at the press conference yesterday?

GaryPDX: He's completely innocent. He's Obama's Chief of Staff. There's no possible way he was doing anything nefarious.

Did I get that right?

Basically, if he is never charged with any wrongdoing, you're going to conclude that it was because everyone is in love with Obama, not because he really was innocent. Why make this into a partisan issue? It's a corruption issue, and that tends to be pretty bi-partisan.

Jaboobinator: Remember that Fitzgerald has also specifically requested Obama's people to keep everything to themselves for the time being, so it's not as if he can come out and talk openly about Blago.

I've heard that said before -- why would Fitzgerald do that? I mean, it's not like the investigation is really "ongoing" anymore, right? I'm curious what his thinking is for telling the Obama camp to keep quiet (if that's what he said)

ZOMG! An outgoing Senator's Chief-of-Staff talking with the Guvnor about his possible replacements!!!! SCANDAL!!!!

You guilt-by-association shills haven't realized that your bullshiat tactics aren't working anymore? Dumbasses.

KaponoFor3: I mean, it's not like the investigation is really "ongoing" anymore, right?

There's been no trial yet, why would the investigation be finished?

KaponoFor3: it's not like the investigation is really "ongoing" anymore, right?

As a matter of fact, yes it IS still ongoing. Nobody, not even Blago, has been charged yet. And everybody involved is a potential witness.

coco ebert: Why make this into a partisan issue? It's a corruption issue, and that tends to be pretty bi-partisan.

I just wonder what the hype would be if Rahm was Republican, that's all. I'm sure all the Democrats would say exactly the same thing, he's completely innocent.

Gecko Gingrich: There's been no trial yet, why would the investigation be finished?
tchamber: As a matter of fact, yes it IS still ongoing. Nobody, not even Blago, has been charged yet. And everybody involved is a potential witness

Fair enough, I just think that its hard to have an "ongoing" investigation when its been announced to the public and been common knowledge that an investigation is/has been occurring.

We already know what Obama offered him for the seat.

Bupkiss.

I hope that there is a full, honest and public accounting of Rham's discussions with Blago and/or his cronies.

More than that I hope that it shows that Rham took the high road from the beginning and that it in no way casts a poor light on the incoming administration.

KaponoFor3: been common knowledge that an investigation is/has been occurring.

It's been common knowledge since 2003, but that didn't stop Blago from still trying to make deals.

GaryPDX: I just wonder what the hype would be if Rahm was Republican, that's all. I'm sure all the Democrats would say exactly the same thing, he's completely innocent.

You keep fighting the good fight, Gary. Keep on slaying those imaginary dragons. If nothing else, it helps keep the Dem and Repub rank and file at each other's throats and allows their leaders to run the country into the ground. Thanks.

GaryPDX: He's completely innocent. He's Obama's Chief of Staff. There's no possible way he was doing anything nefarious.

Did I get that right?

Obama's corrupt. He only won because everyone got caught up in emotion. There's no possible way his Chief of Staff wasn't involved in this. We'll never know the real truth. REZKO!!!!!

Did I get that right?

^{/Oh - and Wharrgarbl}

GaryPDX: I just wonder what the hype would be if Rahm was Republican, that's all. I'm sure all the Democrats would say exactly the same thing, he's completely innocent.

If Rahm was a Republican, he'd get pardoned by Bush and then quietly go off to the private sector with his many connections in Washington.

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KaponoFor3: I've heard that said before -- why would Fitzgerald do that? I mean, it's not like the investigation is really "ongoing" anymore, right? I'm curious what his thinking is for telling the Obama camp to keep quiet (if that's what he said)

Probably because he hasn't even presented his evidence to a grand jury yet and they don't want a bunch of information out their spoiling people's minds.

KaponoFor3: Fair enough, I just think that its hard to have an "ongoing" investigation when its been announced to the public and been common knowledge that an investigation is/has been occurring.

So, you show your cards at the river? I mean, everyone knows you're playing poker, so why not let them see what you've got right?

Sym_pathetic: If Rahm was a Republican, he'd get pardoned by Bush and then quietly go off to the private sector with his many connections in Washington.

So you're saying he's done something that needs a pardon?

winsecure: Sym_pathetic: If Rahm was a Republican, he'd get pardoned by Bush and then quietly go off to the private sector with his many connections in Washington.

So you're saying he's done something that needs a pardon?

If Fitzgerald presses charges he will, but hopefully Rahm didn't do anything stupid, like flipping off a Deli slicer.

Marcus Aurelius
We already know what Obama offered him for the seat.

Bupkiss.


I don't think we know that yet. Although I do hope that you are right.

This is one thing that I wonder about though. Was he actually offered nothing or did they offer so little he was insulted.

winsecure: So you're saying he's done something that needs a pardon?

Well, he did have seconds of the lentil soup last night.

friendinpa: I hope that there is a full, honest and public accounting of Rham's discussions with Blago and/or his cronies.

More than that I hope that it shows that Rham took the high road from the beginning and that it in no way casts a poor light on the incoming administration.

I hope so too. I want Obama's administration to succeed because, as I said in other threads, we really need a good, strong leader who can inspire people. Obama can do that if he can avoid too many political minefields.

Seriously, mods? This? You're going to to green a two-sentence musing by some nobody columnist that he's reportedly "caught on tape"? That thing reads like those old Hollywood gossip columns like "What famous celeb was caught canoodling with a married public servant...." No, check that. At least the "canoodling" bit has a direct accusation. This steaming turd doesn't even say what he THINKS Rahm might have said on the tape that MIGHT exist.

Cuz, ya know, if it IS true... it's illegal to just let yourself get recorded. That's a high crime indeed. That's mostly why Nixon resigned.

/It's not news, it's Fark retarded flamebaiting.

LOL^^

madmann: Cuz, ya know, if it IS true... it's illegal to just let yourself get recorded.

So speaking to an alleged criminal is a crime, now? Shiat, someone round up the White House Press Corps, then! We need to toss those f*ckers in jail!

Lunchinlewis:Probably because he hasn't even presented his evidence to a grand jury yet and they don't want a bunch of information out their spoiling people's minds.

"This is a sad day for government. It's a very sad day for Illinois government. Governor Blagojevich has taken us to a truly new low. Governor Blagojevich has been arrested in the middle of what we can only describe as a political corruption crime spree. We acted to stop that crime spree. The most appalling conduct Governor Blagojevich engaged in, according to the complaint filed today or unsealed today, is that he attempted to sell the Senate seat. -Pat Fitzgerald 12/9/08

Yeah, wouldn't want to prejudice a potential jury.

friendinpa

I don't think we know that yet. Although I do hope that you are right.

Blago's comments on tape were something to the effect of him only getting their gratuitude.

But we'll find out soon enough!

Il Douchey: Yeah, wouldn't want to prejudice a potential jury.

I imagine it's rather hard to taint a potential jury in Illinois when it comes to political corruption. They've got to be fairly used to it by now.

FTFA:

A lot of chit-chat?

Hot air?

Or trouble?



"Some say yes."

GaryPDX: coco ebert: Why make this into a partisan issue? It's a corruption issue, and that tends to be pretty bi-partisan.

I just wonder what the hype would be if Rahm was Republican, that's all. I'm sure all the Democrats would say exactly the same thing, he's completely innocent.


Goddamnit, we covered this last night.

You're ready to hang someone because a columnist has heard "rumbles".

Mark my words: On all 21 of those tapes you can hear Michelle in the background shouting about "whitey." YHIHF

McCain is so gonna win this election!

friendinpa: I hope that there is a full, honest and public accounting of Rham's discussions with Blago and/or his cronies.

More than that I hope that it shows that Rham took the high road from the beginning and that it in no way casts a poor light on the incoming administration.

You should print out your post and frame it, as it marks the first time "Rahm" and "high road" have ever been used in the same sentence.

That said, I think he is too wise to have said anything that could get him convicted of a crime, over a phone he would know was being tapped.

Marcus Aurelius

Blago's comments on tape were something to the effect of him only getting their gratuitude.

But we'll find out soon enough!


I know, but two things.

1. That was one comment in one conversation. Not with Rham but with someone else. There are 21 conversations out there that we have no idea what was said.

2. I used to play cards with this guy who for whom nothing was good enough. If he won $20 he should have won $50, do you know the type?

Ambassador to El Salvador looks like nothing when stacked up against dream board appointments and major political postings.

Again, I hope they come out of this smelling like fresh cut flowers and not compost, but I am firmly in the wait and see camp.

Sym_pathetic: Gecko Gingrich: winsecure: So you're saying he's done something that needs a pardon?

Well, he did have seconds of the lentil soup last night.

That picture ALWAYS makes me laugh!!

a) we already knew rahm had spoken with blago, and it was on tape, so this isn't new information
b) since they have had rahm on tape the entire time, you think if there was something incriminating in there about him they'd probably be acting on that
c) rahm has been out and about, he hasn't been locked away

we had a thread about this last night that went red.

KaponoFor3: Fair enough, I just think that its hard to have an "ongoing" investigation when its been announced to the public and been common knowledge that an investigation is/has been occurring.

you might have a point if it weren't for the fact that Blago was caught in this scandal while under a publicly announced investigation for some other stuff.

coco ebert: Why make this into a partisan issue?

because he's so independent!

/am i doing it right?

Dupa

You should print out your post and frame it, as it marks the first time "Rahm" and "high road" have ever been used in the same sentence.

Which is why I am somewhat skeptical.

That said, I think he is too wise to have said anything that could get him convicted of a crime, over a phone he would know was being tapped.

I would say more cunning than wise, but I get your point. Unfortunately he doesn't need to be convicted of a crime for this to taint Obama.

Pretty much anything short of a clear "fark off that is not how we do business" is going to cause some damage. Problem is I cannot see how it wold take 21 phone calls to get that point across.

They're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. fark them.
- Gov. Rod Blagojevich on the Obama camp's unwillingness to participate in his illegal activities.

I really hate how partisanship infects people to the point that they actively hope for corruption in our government so they can point to the other party and cheer for their own team. It's unpatriotic and hurts our country.

Doesn't look like any other news sources are running with this, except some blogs and such parroting this article. There's one source, and it's an incredibly vague Sun-Times op-ed columnist who "hears rumblings".

I suspect it's just gas.

Il Douchey: Lunchinlewis:Probably because he hasn't even presented his evidence to a grand jury yet and they don't want a bunch of information out their spoiling people's minds.

"This is a sad day for government. It's a very sad day for Illinois government. Governor Blagojevich has taken us to a truly new low. Governor Blagojevich has been arrested in the middle of what we can only describe as a political corruption crime spree. We acted to stop that crime spree. The most appalling conduct Governor Blagojevich engaged in, according to the complaint filed today or unsealed today, is that he attempted to sell the Senate seat. -Pat Fitzgerald 12/9/08

Yeah, wouldn't want to prejudice a potential jury.



Your concern, as always, is appreciated.

total lockdown!

/from the other thread

Blues_X: You're ready to hang someone because a columnist has heard "rumbles".

Which is more likely, Rahm is pure as the driven snow? OR he's corrupt?

/you know my opinion

GaryPDX: Blues_X: You're ready to hang someone because a columnist has heard "rumbles".

Which is more likely, Rahm is pure as the driven snow? OR he's corrupt?

/you know my opinion

And you know my opinion of your opinions.