Probably the upper class snobs from La Jolla. Absolutely stunning place would love to live there myself, but you do get those kind of people.

At least they weren't all DIAF.

What a bunch of farking NIMBYs. You want all those aircraft to stay in the DoD inventory but you want the residents of Riverside or El Centro to have to deal with them? March ARB has development all around it and I'm sure El Centro will too in the next decade or so. I understand that you don't want a bunch of jets and helicopters flying over your house but don't make it someone else's problem. Take a stand. Don't try to play the middle road "I support the military but I just don't want them here" bs.

For the record, no one is forcing you to live there. Especially not in that part of San Diego county. Move your rich ass somewhere where there isn't a military airport.

FTFA:

1954: Navy offers the auxiliary station to San Diego for $1. The city's leaders decide not to put a civilian airport there, thinking it would be too far away from most residents.

Wow, that's a biatch. I wish I would have read that part before my original comment. Talk about a once in a lifetime opportunity. San Diego would kill for that opportunity now. That sucks.

/not snarking. That would rock for SD.

This guy sums it up the best.

"They took a risk," Polk said. "You go to gambling and lose, don't come crying to me."

What did these jerks expect?

"Nobody questions the importance of national security. What I questioned was the wisdom of taking aircraft to a crowded area of San Diego instead of going to March" Air Reserve Base next to Riverside, said Nick Kraft, who has lived in Rancho Bernardo for two decades.

No you dipshiat, you should question why the fark anyone built houses there to begin with. Lets go over this again, the airbase was there first. It's not the airbases fault that people were stupid/greedy enough to build homes in a bad location. If live there and want to know who to blame, go look in a mirror.

They would definitely love that airbase if the worst happens. Look how important it was when those space aliens attacked us and Will Smith saved us.

La Cholla is a better place to live than your town.

/Video at 11.

Hiro Nakamura: What a bunch of farking NIMBYs. You want all those aircraft to stay in the DoD inventory but you want the residents of Riverside or El Centro to have to deal with them? March ARB has development all around it and I'm sure El Centro will too in the next decade or so. I understand that you don't want a bunch of jets and helicopters flying over your house but don't make it someone else's problem. Take a stand. Don't try to play the middle road "I support the military but I just don't want them here" bs.

For the record, no one is forcing you to live there. Especially not in that part of San Diego county. Move your rich ass somewhere where there isn't a military airport.

Similar to the headcase Ted Kennedy. He talks all green, but then blocked windmills because they blocked the view of his property.

If these residents don't like it then they can move. Simple as that.

Crosshair: "Nobody questions the importance of national security. What I questioned was the wisdom of taking aircraft to a crowded area of San Diego instead of going to March" Air Reserve Base next to Riverside, said Nick Kraft, who has lived in Rancho Bernardo for two decades.

No you dipshiat, you should question why the fark anyone built houses there to begin with. Lets go over this again, the airbase was there first. It's not the airbases fault that people were stupid/greedy enough to build homes in a bad location. If live there and want to know who to blame, go look in a mirror.

You always get nimbys when it comes to airports. The airport I fly out of used to be NAS Atlanta in World War II i believe and has grown into a very busy airport. People complain all the time about jets and aircraft flying low on approach. However, many of the homes were built well after the airport was built so you knew it was these. People are also always biatching about ATL too because the sequencing takes aircraft out into the burbs to set up for ATL. Get over it or move.

I've never been to the area so, in a very unfarkly manner I will admit that I probably dont know WTF I'm talking about BUT:

I have to believe if the Marines moved all the aircraft, people who service the aircraft, pilots, families, various support staff OUT of the area, we would soon be reading how these people are biatching and complaining that the local economy is now in a tailspin (intended) because the DoD pulled money out of the area "at an especially trying time" for the area.

This shiat happens all the time. People are always building homes next to refineries, dumps, shooting ranges, and other places that emit noise, smells, etc; and then biatch about having to live next to them.

Building in those places should always be "at your own risk". Meaning if you decide to build a home next to a firing range, airport, train station, you lose the right to complain about their activities being annoying. Who was there first should always come out on top.

They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting in to. I say, let ' em crash!

I hate wind and dirt, so I built a house where the wind and dirt blow 250 days a year and the wind blows 320 days a year.

This has to be someone else's fault and I'll nail their arse to a wall when I find out who it is. They are sooo sued.

/true story

FarkingYoMindUp: If these residents don't like it then they can move. Simple as that.

QFT.

Airbase = there first. If you build or buy a house next to an airport or landfill or industrial center, expect to deal with inconveniences.

Oh My God. A plane crashed so obviously something has to change...God I hate how reactionary morons are.

At least if they moved it would be someone in another neighborhood dying...Right? Selfish pricks.

Crosshair: No you dipshiat, you should question why the fark anyone built houses there to begin with. Lets go over this again, the airbase was there first. It's not the airbases fault that people were stupid/greedy enough to build homes in a bad location. If live there and want to know who to blame, go look in a mirror.

Before you continue spouting off, the base was idle and facing closure when the University City community was planned and started, and many of those houses were built shortly after the Navy had tried to sell the base to the City of San Diego.

They changed their minds when they opened Top Gun there, but it was idle when many of those areas were built.

They bought their tickets. They knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash!

1) Build a military base in an empty area.
2) Move in next to the military base.
3) Complain.
4) Go to farkin' 'Gitmo.

They have the same problem with idiot newcomers in Virginia Beach, my hometown. Oceana Naval Air Station has been there forever, but the subdivisions around it are less than 20 years old. Folks who buy $500,000 houses without doing any homework get pissed when they move in and discover jets blasting overhead at O-Dark-30. They're then like, "Hey, the Navy needs to move," never realizing that without the Navy, Hampton Roads' only economy would be T-shirt shops by the beach.

/Loves me some jet noise.

Whether it's military bases, power generation or farms, people are becoming more and more sequestered from the activities (and the people who perform those activities) that make their sophisticated, clean, hip urban lives possible.

The same people who sit around coffee shops and smugly talk about the moral superiority of buying "fair trade" coffee engage in a willful ignorance of their own back yard, which leads to an ever-increasing lack of understanding and respect for those activities, and marginalization of activities and people that vital to our livelihood.

So much for tolerance.

Hiro Nakamura: FTFA:

1954: Navy offers the auxiliary station to San Diego for $1. The city's leaders decide not to put a civilian airport there, thinking it would be too far away from most residents.

Wow, that's a biatch. I wish I would have read that part before my original comment. Talk about a once in a lifetime opportunity. San Diego would kill for that opportunity now. That sucks.

/not snarking. That would rock for SD.

I've been in this county for 20 years... San Diegans are NOT known for their forward thinking (airport, MTS trolley lines that don't stop at the airport, the latest real estate bubble fiasco, the downtown ballpark mess, the city's pension fund mess, the convention center expansion, getting rid of of City Attorney Mike Aguirre, etc etc etc).

If these idiots took the time to think past the next season of American Idol as they sit hunkered in their stucco McMansions behind the gates of Rancho Whateveritisthisweek, they would figure out that things they do now can actually make life better 20 years from now. Thinking long term CAN be a good thing.

That will never happen. Morans.

This kinda ignores the fact that our military is bloated far beyond our strictly defensive needs.

Fizpez: I have to believe if the Marines moved all the aircraft, people who service the aircraft, pilots, families, various support staff OUT of the area, we would soon be reading how these people are biatching and complaining that the local economy is now in a tailspin (intended) because the DoD pulled money out of the area "at an especially trying time" for the area.

This.
Probably slightly less so in California, but that same sentiment runs deep near any large military facility.
NAS Oceana is one of the largest employers in V. Beach. If it were to move (as has been randomly proposed), people would scream to high heaven. They are talking about moving one(1) carrier from Norfolk, and all you hear is "x thousand jobs would be lost".

Luckily, Langley AFB is in zero danger of going away. Was here before your grandfather was born. And a few asshats still screech about it.

davidphogan: Before you continue spouting off, the base was idle and facing closure when the University City community was planned and started, and many of those houses were built shortly after the Navy had tried to sell the base to the City of San Diego.

The base was never idle. They may have not used a good portion of the facilities during the time, but they never stopped flying aircraft.

signaljammer: This kinda ignores the fact that our military is bloated far beyond our strictly defensive needs.

The military isn't for strictly defensive needs.

how a city is created 101:

* airport is built
* people move to city, airport is on outskirts of city
* expansion leaves no other options but to build closer to the airport
* homes start to be built near the airport
* people living in homes biatch about airport noise
* airport changes, city suffers

signaljammer: This kinda ignores the fact that our military is bloated far beyond our strictly defensive needs.

So tell us, O wise strategic planner. What size should the military be?
How many jets? How much infantry? How much armor? How many ships?

Be exact, and classify by type.

Oh, and be sure to plan that size for a conflict with an unknown foe in 2025.

/'too big' is not a number

Hell, move the base. Let another, less whiny city get the economic benefits. I know where I live, we get a little tense any time theres even a whisper about closures. These farkholes actually want their base to move? Take 'em up on it.

/also, don't build next to the base and then complain
//farkholes
///wish i could find that pic of cookie monster yelling TWATWAFFLE

What would be fun is if the feds would say, "Fine, we're condemning all of the houses under the flight path. Here's your money, now go find somewhere else to live."

Remove all Republicans: Nemo's Brother: Similar to the headcase Ted Kennedy. He talks all green, but then blocked windmills because they blocked the view of his property.

Ignorant blathering fool. The windmills didn't block an inch of his property. They were hundreds of miles out at sea. He could see perfectly fine. The problem was that the windmills would destroy his pristine view of the ocean. Ungodly windmills in the middle of the ocean.

FarkingYoMindUp: If these residents don't like it then they can move. Simple as that.

And lose the equity on this homes? In this market? You people need to face reality. The base needs to close down, like the entire military. Our military cannot let even one more person die.

9/10, Nice troll

davidphogan: Crosshair: No you dipshiat, you should question why the fark anyone built houses there to begin with. Lets go over this again, the airbase was there first. It's not the airbases fault that people were stupid/greedy enough to build homes in a bad location. If live there and want to know who to blame, go look in a mirror.

Before you continue spouting off, the base was idle and facing closure when the University City community was planned and started, and many of those houses were built shortly after the Navy had tried to sell the base to the City of San Diego.

They changed their minds when they opened Top Gun there, but it was idle when many of those areas were built.

That doesn't change anything. Until it was SOLD and not just MAYBE ABOUT TO BE SOLD then they screwed up.

I wish there was some sort of phrase that included chickens and egg counting that could be used in situations like this...

I also moved near Stone Mountain in Georgia recently. I have since found that granite is among the natural materials that give off low level radiation. Therefore I feel that for my safety, and the safety of my neighbors, (not to mention their children) this mountain must be relocated.



is killing my neighbors and myself, someone must put a stop to it.

and why the hell don't they move to nas north island?????

Remove all Republicans: YouPeopleAreCrazy: So tell us, O wise strategic planner. What size should the military be?
How many jets? How much infantry? How much armor? How many ships?

0. 0. 0. 0. 0.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Oh, and be sure to plan that size for a conflict with an unknown foe in 2025.

Oh, yeah, another "unknown foe." Let's try negotiations, discussions, talking things out. That's what President Obama is going to do. When you only have a hammer, ....

The funny thing about negotiations, discussions, and talking things out with people with hammers is that they don't result in anything unless you have a hammer on your side as well.

Remove all Republicans: YouPeopleAreCrazy: So tell us, O wise strategic planner. What size should the military be?
How many jets? How much infantry? How much armor? How many ships?

0. 0. 0. 0. 0.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Oh, and be sure to plan that size for a conflict with an unknown foe in 2025.

Oh, yeah, another "unknown foe." Let's try negotiations, discussions, talking things out. That's what President Obama is going to do. When you only have a hammer, ....

Read history, of all the times a civilization/culture has gone this route, and you will see that they all were killed or subjugated.

The world is not a nice place where negotiations work all the time and we can always talk things out. Some people can't be reasoned with, no matter how much logic you use, no matter how beneficial it is for them to listen.

Given your name, though, I recognize you are one of those unreasonable types, so instead of being polite and trying to talk - since you won't listen to anything that doesn't fit your ideological mold - I will instead say that I pray that you will be stricken deaf, dumb, and most importantly, sterile.

Nemo's Brother: Hiro Nakamura: What a bunch of farking NIMBYs. You want all those aircraft to stay in the DoD inventory but you want the residents of Riverside or El Centro to have to deal with them? March ARB has development all around it and I'm sure El Centro will too in the next decade or so. I understand that you don't want a bunch of jets and helicopters flying over your house but don't make it someone else's problem. Take a stand. Don't try to play the middle road "I support the military but I just don't want them here" bs.

For the record, no one is forcing you to live there. Especially not in that part of San Diego county. Move your rich ass somewhere where there isn't a military airport.

Similar to the headcase Ted Kennedy. He talks all green, but then blocked windmills because they blocked the view of his property.

Also all anti-military spending, but when it comes time to shut down or cut the airbases in Mass., OMG, Otis AFB is the mighty linchpin in the bulwark of American freedom.

So the Marines out there have killed almost as many people with flying accidents as the Kennedys have, huh?

/Speaking of whom.

Remove all Republicans: YouPeopleAreCrazy: So tell us, O wise strategic planner. What size should the military be?
How many jets? How much infantry? How much armor? How many ships?

0. 0. 0. 0. 0.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Oh, and be sure to plan that size for a conflict with an unknown foe in 2025.

Oh, yeah, another "unknown foe." Let's try negotiations, discussions, talking things out. That's what President Obama is going to do. When you only have a hammer, ....


Which of the irrational fanatics do you recommend sitting down with first? They use cease fires and negotiations to build up their arsenal. That's why obama is going to get pushed around the world stage and have his lunch money taken like a nerd on the playground.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: signaljammer: This kinda ignores the fact that our military is bloated far beyond our strictly defensive needs.

So tell us, O wise strategic planner. What size should the military be?
How many jets? How much infantry? How much armor? How many ships?

Be exact, and classify by type.

Oh, and be sure to plan that size for a conflict with an unknown foe in 2025.

/'too big' is not a number

42?

Remove all Republicans: YouPeopleAreCrazy: So tell us, O wise strategic planner. What size should the military be?
How many jets? How much infantry? How much armor? How many ships?

0. 0. 0. 0. 0.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Oh, and be sure to plan that size for a conflict with an unknown foe in 2025.

Oh, yeah, another "unknown foe." Let's try negotiations, discussions, talking things out. That's what President Obama is going to do. When you only have a hammer, ....

I'm for negotiations first too, but when you have foes like Iran that only see talking as another way to gain more time to build their weaponry to the point where they can have everyone around them at gunpoint, then you need force as an alternative option.

FarkingYoMindUp: If these residents don't like it then they can move. Simple as that.

The dead ones can't.
"calls for base to be vacated" THAT's farkin' funny! (OTOH, it only took 5 years to get Vieques closed.)
The City of San Diego should buy and condemn these houses and use them for firefighter practice. I couldn't believe the city granted permits for a developer to build houses 2000 yards dead-off the end of a runway.

OTOH, their downtown is right under the approach to the civil airport, if a mile south of a direct line to approach - I was stunned watching airliners land over the skyscrapers when I was there.

Outlaw2097: how a city is created 101:

* airport is built
* people move to city, airport is on outskirts of city
* expansion leaves no other options but to build closer to the airport
* homes start to be built near the airport
* people living in homes biatch about airport noise
* airport changes, city suffers

Or, as they do it in San Diego:

* Airport is built RIGHT DOWNTOWN, AGAINST THE WATERFRONT WITH NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION AND ONLY ONE RUNWAY
* Planes now fly so close to homes on approach you can see the passengers' faces through the widows (seriously)
* more homes built around airport, then out into the county
* trolley line is built at street level, bypassing airport and making a 20 minute trip into downtown almost two hours
* general stupidity, NIMBYism, and cronyism flourishes

justchecking: 42?

That works.

/Now go build me 42 aircraft carriers

Reminds me of when I went to jury duty.

They went through 120 or so cases in 3 days, and pulled 3 jury panels. The prosecuters basically say: Negotiate or face those people. And apparently most of them just plead guilty.

Sadsaque: (OTOH, it only took 5 years to get Vieques closed.)

Vieques is a bombing range, not a major base. We can find any patch of unused land to replace that.

I had the impression that San Diego's sole purpose at this point in history is to do nothing except create a bunch of hot but over-rated California fark sluts for export.

Am I correct, or is that another part of California?

/ How much do fark slut exports contribute to the state's economy?

Remove all Republicans: After all her work setting up and getting everyone on board with Hillarycare, wouldn't you trust her to talk calmly and sanely with other world leaders on behalf of us?

Your inner troll is showing.

/it was better when you seemed semi-serious

rewind2846:
I've been in this county for 20 years... San Diegans are NOT known for their forward thinking (airport, MTS trolley lines that don't stop at the airport, the latest real estate bubble fiasco, the downtown ballpark mess, the city's pension fund mess, the convention center expansion, getting rid of of City Attorney Mike Aguirre, etc etc etc).

If these idiots took the time to think past the next season of American Idol as they sit hunkered in their stucco McMansions behind the gates of Rancho Whateveritisthisweek, they would figure out that things they do now can actually make life better 20 years from now. Thinking long term CAN be a good thing.

That will never happen. Morans.

Lol. Leave? We will miss you, but somehow I think that with the help from god and support of our families we will survive without you. :)