Came for the Kris Kross pic and was not disappointed. Thanks, Walker.

I never really got into NiN, but I'm glad Reznor consistently speaks out against the corrupt and downright evil RIAA.

I keep forgetting he's NOT the guy who penned "Hooker With A Penis"

Well, duh.

I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

Karma Chameleon: I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

Since Edgar Allen Poe, give or take

Karma Chameleon: I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

sorry, but TDS is timeless art. hes had a few timeless songs since then as well.

I have friends who make music; a couple are successful, but a couple others who should be, aren't. These non-succeeding friends are so much better than the ones who've succeeded they're in a different league--making really, truly, great music, as opposed to some pretty okay stuff along with a "here ya go!" hit or two--and we all know it. If any of them read this and remember my Fark handle, I hope all are grown up enough to see and accept the truth in what I'm saying.

The difference between these folks is that two are success-motivated, and two are music-motivated. The success-motivated pair by no means sold out to make it, but I'm pretty darn sure they wrote some stuff tailored to "make it."

I don't see much harm in that, but it disappoints me that the people making decisions about who gets to eat free forever, as opposed to those who will get to hand their children a stack of brilliant-but-unsold CDs, need to be fed that kind of stuff, and often don't have an ear skilled enough to know the great stuff. The music industry, in my wildest dream, will sign and promote those who are the best, as opposed to those who are most willing to spoon-feed the public's flavor-of-the-month taste, or willfully make something at least palatable for them.

I could go on and on, but in the end I'm just bummed that money is so, so important to industry. I'm a huge fan of capitalism, but when quality work is dismissed in favor of schlock and cheap gimmicks, something is wrong, especially when we're considering artistic work.

This is an incomplete rant, and I don't want to argue about it, I just hope the basics of my point are clear. And yes, Trent is pretty much on it.

Karma Chameleon: I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

Fans don't listen to his image, you know. Well some do, but they're adolescent and haven't learned certain things yet.

When is Closure coming out on DVD?

Never!

What?!

You can ask Universal, because they're idiots, and they're afraid to put it out.

People are dying for that.

Yes, but ... there is a silver lining.

I'm listening.

A couple of years ago around this time of year, somebody must have broken into my personal files and uploaded onto a torrent site the entire DVD of Closure.

Oh darn.

Yeah, I don't know who could have done that.

Hmm.

So, that basically means that it doesn't need to come out on DVD anymore.

Sorry Trent, I'm going to have to steal a copy.

C'mon, you know that's not the right thing to do.

Epic win!

Saw them at Arco tonight. I'm am not a fanboy at all, but the show was really quite impressive, musically and visually. They put a lot of work into creating the experience, and it really paid off.

They didn't play "Down In It," though. Everything has to have a blemish, I guess.

Sorry to be off topic, but this is my favorite NIN cover:

Link

I also saw them at Arco tonight. Definitely made good on his promise to put on a great show.

Some of them try to rhyme.

the bit my thigh website is indeed weird

This is now a grandpa thread.

I really like the NIN stuff that I've heard, and that interview makes me want to hear more of it. Trent's got my respect. He comes off as a pretty smart guy & decent sort of chap.

...and you're just figuring this out?

Hey, good things can come from bad...I'll take this.

Its not that there's any integrity or anything,
but "pure" artists don't tend to get their music out to the masses.

So play a little with the system,
and more will get to hear you and for longer.
The execs will be in their graves, your music may live on...

simsite9:
They didn't play "Down In It," though. Everything has to have a blemish, I guess.

I read an interview with Trent about three or four years ago. They asked him why he didn't play Down In It anymore. He talked about how it's a song that doesn't mean anything to him anymore, and that it's so meaningless that he doesn't like to play it. I personally liked Sin and Ringfinger off of Pretty Hate Machine, so I figure I'll never get to hear my favorite tracks off of that album live anyway.

Well yeah, it's an industry. If shiat sells buy some shovels.

mahavishnunj: Karma Chameleon: I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

sorry, but TDS is timeless art. hes had a few timeless songs since then as well.

No, no it's not.

Bach, Mahler, Mozart=timeless art

Anything with a drum machine=not timeless art.

Don't believe me...but in, say, 200 years, guess who will be long forgotten.

Marla Singer's Laundry: Anything with a drum machine=not timeless art.


you're a drummer, aren't you?

I wouldn't go so far as to say NIN is timeless (hell, PHM is ridiculously dated), but I've never quite understood the hate for drum machines. yes, the 80s shlock that used drum machines to sound like "real drums" just to save some cash sounds awful, but drum machines do have a fairly distinctive sound that lend to a band's overall sound.

MikeXpop: Karma Chameleon: I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

Since Edgar Allen Poe, give or take

pwnd!

Great interview

That is seriously one of the best interviews of TR I've ever seen.

/excellent.

I just came here to say that I saw Nine Inch Nails at lollapalooza in like... 1991. They played at four in the afternoon in August in broad damn daylight. Yet they had their sort of club show with the smoke machines and the strobe lights. It looked like they were having a cookout up on the stage. Ive been laughing at them ever since.
ymmv.

I think you're all forgetting some of Bach's lesser known works. Namely "The Well Tempered Drum-Machine" and "Toccata and Synth-Pop in D minor".

Necrosis:

When is Closure coming out on DVD?

Never!

What?!

You can ask Universal, because they're idiots, and they're afraid to put it out.

People are dying for that.

Yes, but ... there is a silver lining.

I'm listening.

A couple of years ago around this time of year, somebody must have broken into my personal files and uploaded onto a torrent site the entire DVD of Closure.

Oh darn.

Yeah, I don't know who could have done that.

Hmm.

So, that basically means that it doesn't need to come out on DVD anymore.

Sorry Trent, I'm going to have to steal a copy.

C'mon, you know that's not the right thing to do.



I came to say... this.

Nobody can decide or argue what is and what isn't timeless, and you're all huge jackasses for debating it.

Incredible Edible Tomatoman: simsite9:
They didn't play "Down In It," though. Everything has to have a blemish, I guess.

I read an interview with Trent about three or four years ago. They asked him why he didn't play Down In It anymore. He talked about how it's a song that doesn't mean anything to him anymore, and that it's so meaningless that he doesn't like to play it. I personally liked Sin and Ringfinger off of Pretty Hate Machine, so I figure I'll never get to hear my favorite tracks off of that album live anyway.

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware.

But never inside out, because that's wiggidy-wiggidy-wiggidy-wack.

MsInterpreted: Came for the Kris Kross pic and was not disappointed. Thanks, Walker.

this

simsite9: Incredible Edible Tomatoman: simsite9:
They didn't play "Down In It," though. Everything has to have a blemish, I guess.

I read an interview with Trent about three or four years ago. They asked him why he didn't play Down In It anymore. He talked about how it's a song that doesn't mean anything to him anymore, and that it's so meaningless that he doesn't like to play it. I personally liked Sin and Ringfinger off of Pretty Hate Machine, so I figure I'll never get to hear my favorite tracks off of that album live anyway.

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware.

They've played Down In It several times this tour. Check youtube

Marla Singer's Laundry: mahavishnunj: Karma Chameleon: I like NIN/Trent, but since when is being emo and angsty considered timeless art?

sorry, but TDS is timeless art. hes had a few timeless songs since then as well.

No, no it's not.

Bach, Mahler, Mozart=timeless art

Anything with a drum machine=not timeless art.

Don't believe me...but in, say, 200 years, guess who will be long forgotten.

WHo the fark is Back and Mahler?? I bet they can't even tune their guitars without a tuner

I'd LOVE to meet Trent Reznor. He sounds like such a cool guy.

wouldestous: I just came here to say that I saw Nine Inch Nails at lollapalooza in like... 1991. They played at four in the afternoon in August in broad damn daylight. Yet they had their sort of club show with the smoke machines and the strobe lights. It looked like they were having a cookout up on the stage. Ive been laughing at them ever since.
ymmv.

that's great guess they suck then

Anytime Kris Kross is mentioned, I now think of this:

Galaxy of Prawns: Nobody can decide or argue what is and what isn't timeless, and you're all huge jackasses for debating it.

I am probably a huge jackass, but not for debating this...

mr.crowley: Sorry to be off topic, but this is my favorite NIN cover:

Link

Worse than a rickroll. Thank you very much.

FeedTheCollapse: Marla Singer's Laundry: Anything with a drum machine=not timeless art.


you're a drummer, aren't you?

Oh how I LOL'd

/I love my old drum machines but never pretend that they replace a real drunken follower of musicians drummer

SpiderKing: I think you're all forgetting some of Bach's lesser known works. Namely "The Well Tempered Drum-Machine" and "Toccata and Synth-Pop in D minor".

Are those still in print? I've been looking for them for ages but cant seem to find them for sale anywhere.

//But really folks, lets applaud Trent Reznor for his "stick it to the evil record labels" marketing campaign and the upcoming line of Reznor approved tight black jeans and pre-torn tops at Hot Topic.

SpiderKing: I think you're all forgetting some of Bach's lesser known works. Namely "The Well Tempered Drum-Machine" and "Toccata and Synth-Pop in D minor".

perhaps, but Janes addiction were incredible (timeless?)