I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls.

Nah, they cancelled his gig Link (new window)

You gonna get raped murdered.

PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls

That would be just as bright as no giving any concessions when asking the American public to bail your farking employer out...

Typical union mentality.

Dancin_In_Anson: PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls

That would be just as bright as no giving any concessions when asking the American public to bail your farking employer out...

Typical union mentality.

Hell, that would be like asking for a $10 million bonus after the Gov't handed your company a couple hundred billion. Who would be that stupid?

NightOwl2255: Hell, that would be like asking for a $10 million bonus after the Gov't handed your company a couple hundred billion. Who would be that stupid?

Asking for it is not stupid. Ballsy, wildly inappropriate, perhaps even unconscionable, but not stupid. Stupid would be paying a $10 million bonus after the government bailed out your company.

Dancin_In_Anson

GOP getting back at the UAW is more like it.

Don't even try and tell me anyone in Congress is suddenly fiscally responsible.

Marcus Aurelius: Don't even try and tell me anyone in Congress is suddenly fiscally responsible.

As long as it is not financial institutions getting blank checks ...

Dancin_In_Anson: PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls

That would be just as bright as no giving any concessions when asking the American public to bail your farking employer out...

Typical union mentality.

Either you're just trolling or you're uninformed. The Democrats and the UAW were willing to accept concession, including deep wage and benefit cuts. The issue was the timeline. The Republicans in the Congress wanted it done within 12 months, but the UAW, the White House, and the Democrats in Congress didn't think that was realistic administratively.

This article is as fair and balanced as Fox News.

Marcus Aurelius: Dancin_In_Anson

GOP getting back at the UAW is more like it.


I was thinking that also.

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Having worked for one of the Big 3 and watching what they're going through now, I have two thoughts:

1)I'm glad I got out when I did

2)I hope all three are forced into bankruptcy and liquidated

Anyone that thinks the UAW is an innocent bystander in all of this is crazy. I'm not saying management didn't have a big part in this, but I'm saying they both deserve equal parts blame.

"I doubt he'll have many takers at $35," Priebe said. "But as soon as I get off the phone with you, I'm going to call the UAW and see if I can't arrange for 5,000 of his biggest fans to be there when he arrives."

Would love to be there to see it.

Leeds37: I'm saying they both deserve equal parts blame.

This is probably the truth. If the economy weren't so fragile, I'd say let them go. But given the overall picture (bleak), I'm afraid it might do more harm than good.

damageddude: As long as it is not financial institutions getting blank checks ...

Hey, there are still some of us that thought THAT was a bad idea too.

PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls.

Or with Whitey Whackers

Trust me, I'm not naive enough to think that the suppliers wouldn't be harmed by this, but honestly, the Big 3 got themselves into this mess. The UAW handcuffed management and now they're reaping their reward for it. Do you realize that up until about 3 years ago, the UAW had no co-pay on doctors visits or prescription purchases? When they implemented it, the UAW was PISSED that they had to pay $10 co-pay for a doctor visit and $5 co-pay on prescription purchases. Who else in this country had it so good?? It's little things like this that really killed me about the whole situation. Both sides farked their industry up real good. Now they have to deal with it. I say, let them go under.

Joliet_Jake: The issue was the timeline.

No time like right farking now eh?

this is the same guy that wanted ALL records broken since he played thrown out of the record books, even those achieved by guys who were obviously not juicing or basically anyone that just played in that era.

What could possibly go wrong?

Michael Moore shows up with a camera?

vernonFL: What could possibly go wrong?

Michael Moore shows up with a camera?

He's looking more and more like Watto from Episode I each day

Joliet_Jake:
Either you're just trolling or you're uninformed. The Democrats and the UAW were willing to accept concession, including deep wage and benefit cuts. The issue was the timeline. The Republicans in the Congress wanted it done within 12 months, but the UAW, the White House, and the Democrats in Congress didn't think that was realistic administratively.

The UAW, the White House, and the Democrats in Congress are foolish for wanting 12 months for these concessions to go into effect. GM and Chrysler might not be around that long.

How long does a Senator have to be missing before a replacement is appointed by the state's Gov?

/They still haven't found Hoffa's body.

Leeds37: Trust me, I'm not naive enough to think that the suppliers wouldn't be harmed by this, but honestly, the Big 3 got themselves into this mess. The UAW handcuffed management and now they're reaping their reward for it. Do you realize that up until about 3 years ago, the UAW had no co-pay on doctors visits or prescription purchases? When they implemented it, the UAW was PISSED that they had to pay $10 co-pay for a doctor visit and $5 co-pay on prescription purchases. Who else in this country had it so good?? It's little things like this that really killed me about the whole situation. Both sides farked their industry up real good. Now they have to deal with it. I say, let them go under.

Dude, don't be a dumbass. Until a few years ago, GM was valued at 100$ a share and stil paying HUGE dividens to shareholders. Want them to give the money back? Cause that is where the GM fail is from, not the unions.

PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls.

Yea, when someone doesn't steal money from someone else to give to you the best action is violence.

Maybe one day the UAW folks will realize that it is the unions that are bleeding their precious car companies to death from the inside out.

Nah, lets blame it on a senator because he made the right decision.

jackbooty: Maybe one day the UAW folks will realize that it is the unions that are bleeding their precious car companies to death from the inside out.

Maybe one day they'll realize the moon is made of cheese. That conclusion is about as much tied to reality as your own.

fritopendejo: PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls.

Or with Whitey Whackers

Approves:

I say let 'em go under and take a few million non-union blue-state jobs with 'em. You vote for Obama, you get the horns.

jackbooty: Maybe one day the UAW folks will realize that it is the unions that are bleeding their precious car companies to death from the inside out.

yeah because purchasing hummer in the late 90s was a great business decision, if it only weren't for dem unions we'd all be zipping along in our 11mpg death traps right now and GM would be solvent!

Note to Bunning: if union members show up with bats, they are not there to get them autographed.

Joliet_Jake: Dancin_In_Anson: PacManDreaming: I hope they hit him in the head with his own autographed balls

That would be just as bright as no giving any concessions when asking the American public to bail your farking employer out...

Typical union mentality.

Either you're just trolling or you're uninformed.

You must not be familiar with DIA's work:

PascalsGhost: Leeds37: Trust me, I'm not naive enough to think that the suppliers wouldn't be harmed by this, but honestly, the Big 3 got themselves into this mess. The UAW handcuffed management and now they're reaping their reward for it. Do you realize that up until about 3 years ago, the UAW had no co-pay on doctors visits or prescription purchases? When they implemented it, the UAW was PISSED that they had to pay $10 co-pay for a doctor visit and $5 co-pay on prescription purchases. Who else in this country had it so good?? It's little things like this that really killed me about the whole situation. Both sides farked their industry up real good. Now they have to deal with it. I say, let them go under.

Dude, don't be a dumbass. Until a few years ago, GM was valued at 100$ a share and stil paying HUGE dividens to shareholders. Want them to give the money back? Cause that is where the GM fail is from, not the unions.

Apparently, you missed where I mentioned that management was just as much at fault. Please don't be so obtuse as to think that management is the only problem here, though. I only mentioned the UAW story there because I was proving just how ridiculous the UAW and its defenders are. Both sides are like kids fighting over the biggest piece of pie. Only problem now is that the pie is gone.

please: I say let 'em go under and take a few million non-union blue-state jobs with 'em. You vote for Obama, you get the horns.

We voted for Obama, and he'll bail them out. You gotta wait a few more years for the right-to-work red south to rise again!

BUT THEY WILL RISE DAMMIT!

Leeds37: PascalsGhost: Leeds37: Trust me, I'm not naive enough to think that the suppliers wouldn't be harmed by this, but honestly, the Big 3 got themselves into this mess. The UAW handcuffed management and now they're reaping their reward for it. Do you realize that up until about 3 years ago, the UAW had no co-pay on doctors visits or prescription purchases? When they implemented it, the UAW was PISSED that they had to pay $10 co-pay for a doctor visit and $5 co-pay on prescription purchases. Who else in this country had it so good?? It's little things like this that really killed me about the whole situation. Both sides farked their industry up real good. Now they have to deal with it. I say, let them go under.

Dude, don't be a dumbass. Until a few years ago, GM was valued at 100$ a share and stil paying HUGE dividens to shareholders. Want them to give the money back? Cause that is where the GM fail is from, not the unions.

Apparently, you missed where I mentioned that management was just as much at fault. Please don't be so obtuse as to think that management is the only problem here, though. I only mentioned the UAW story there because I was proving just how ridiculous the UAW and its defenders are. Both sides are like kids fighting over the biggest piece of pie. Only problem now is that the pie is gone.

My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

stolibro: PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

Nobody is paid that. LOL, but keep going.

I'm not union, don't wanna be union, but all the lies and bullshiat out here is amazing. Its more amazing how people eat it up instead of reasearching their own stuff.

PascalsGhost:
My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

How you ever wondered why the Toyota Production System and like manufacturing process improvements came out of Japan, they weren't constrained by work rules and incentive pay contracts. Unions are okay except when they stand in the way of competing on the effectiveness, efficiency and adaptability of a company's manufacturing processes. This the UAW does and it greatly impacts the Big Three.

PascalsGhost: My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

You've clearly missed the point. Management was far from smart and certainly cost the companies a shiatload of money. However, not much can be said for an organization (UAW) that is demanding its workers be paid in upwards of $70/hour (when you include fringe benefits) for medial work. It's lose-lose and the Big 3 are getting exactly what they deserve. Do I want to see these people out of work? On the contrary. I'd prefer that management stop spending money like they're rolling it off of printing machines and I'd prefer that UAW labor earns a wage consistent with the market that it is in. However, that won't be happening anytime soon. A bailout (which they're calling a bridge loan, but let's be honest, that's a joke) right now will get them through until Obama gives them even more taxpayer money and nothing ever improves. They continue to build shoddy vehicles and lose money hand over fist.

PascalsGhost: stolibro: PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

Nobody is paid that. LOL, but keep going.

I'm not union, don't wanna be union, but all the lies and bullshiat out here is amazing. Its more amazing how people eat it up instead of reasearching their own stuff.

I've worked there and I know for a fact that some of these workers were earning upwards of $70+/hour. I don't know what research you've done, but you might want to check your sources.

The UAW protects idiots. They are equal partner in this failure. Fark them.

stolibro: PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

If you are going to take it from some employees it is best to take it from all. When the software co I was working for landed on hardtimes they did across the board 15% cut for everyone from reception to president. We recovered and it was all restored. But this is like telling the programmers they all need to take a cut so the rest of the firm can live. Fat farkin chance that will work.

PascalsGhost: stolibro: PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

Nobody is paid that. LOL, but keep going.

I'm not union, don't wanna be union, but all the lies and bullshiat out here is amazing. Its more amazing how people eat it up instead of reasearching their own stuff.

I'll admit... I was off by a few dollars.

Quote:
"Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. (TM) at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour. But the unionized factories have far higher benefit costs.

GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69, including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers."

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FTFA: "I doubt he'll have many takers at $35," Priebe said. "But as soon as I get off the phone with you, I'm going to call the UAW and see if I can't arrange for 5,000 of his biggest fans to be there when he arrives."

Good for you, man!

Leeds37: PascalsGhost: stolibro: PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

Nobody is paid that. LOL, but keep going.

I'm not union, don't wanna be union, but all the lies and bullshiat out here is amazing. Its more amazing how people eat it up instead of reasearching their own stuff.

I've worked there and I know for a fact that some of these workers were earning upwards of $70+/hour. I don't know what research you've done, but you might want to check your sources.

I'm telling you right now no unskilled worker in the UAW makes near 70$ an hour with bennies. You are full of shiat.


atlanta_ufo: PascalsGhost:
My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

How you ever wondered why the Toyota Production System and like manufacturing process improvements came out of Japan, they weren't constrained by work rules and incentive pay contracts. Unions are okay except when they stand in the way of competing on the effectiveness, efficiency and adaptability of a company's manufacturing processes. This the UAW does and it greatly impacts the Big Three.

The union did not hold back the manufacturing philosophy or processes of the Big three.

Do you realize that the Japanese companies all have good relations with their unions in Japan? They are only union-free in the south US.

Unions, like anything, are good and bad, but they cannot be blamed for this.

Well, since these farkers are going to just take my money anyway, you can be damned sure I'm buying a foreign car this fall when we decide to buy something else. Fark you GM and double fark you UAW.

stolibro: PascalsGhost: stolibro: PascalsGhost:My point is the largets part of the pie didn't go to the union. biatching about them being the major issue is dumb as Hell. Again, dividens out the ass until a few years back. So the shareholders and management got rich, but now those damn blue collar workers need to pay up!!!

There is something fundamentally wrong with being paid $70+ per hour in wages and benefits for a job that takes a month to learn.

Nobody is paid that. LOL, but keep going.

I'm not union, don't wanna be union, but all the lies and bullshiat out here is amazing. Its more amazing how people eat it up instead of reasearching their own stuff.

I'll admit... I was off by a few dollars.

Quote:
"Hourly wages for UAW workers at GM factories are about equal to those paid by Toyota Motor Corp. (TM) at its older U.S. factories, according to the companies. GM says the average UAW laborer makes $29.78 per hour, while Toyota says it pays about $30 per hour. But the unionized factories have far higher benefit costs.

GM says its total hourly labor costs are now $69, including wages, pensions and health care for active workers, plus the pension and health care costs of more than 432,000 retirees and spouses. Toyota says its total costs are around $48. The Japanese automaker has far fewer retirees and its pension and health care benefits are not as rich as those paid to UAW workers."

Source

No worker makes near $70 an hour.