Totally different circumstances.

In 2005, Kyl suggested the nuclear option in response to the Dems filibustering of a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice. The fillibustering he's threatening now is in response to a possible Democrat-nominated Supreme Court Justice.

See the difference?

The Asinine tag pretty much applies to Jon Kyl as a whole, actually.

I knew this was coming. farking assholes.

Meh. Hypocrisy will show up on both sides over this.

Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

I would recommend that FARK have a "hypocrite" tag but it would be used on 95% of the political threads with the remaining 5% being the fail tag.

How easy they forget...

what a

libbynomore2: Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

So, Howard Dean is a douche too... what's your point?

Where did subby deny that?

/not subby

That's unfair. How could they possibly know that the situation would of reversed ever. Also, its pretty unfair that you would use their own words against them.

For shame, jerkmitter. I bet you are going to be linking some article where Sen. Kyl says that giving Obama strong executive powers is a bad idea.

rmz: The Asinine tag pretty much applies to Jon Kyl as a whole, actually.

You mean he's an assinine whole?

libbynomore2: Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

Christ, can you not keep a coherent thought for like 3 seconds, spaz?

And the GOP will not filibuster, not much anyway, and not on the important things. We are going to work around the idiots and talk to the moderates, of which there are too many for the GOP to try and stop.

The fight is not equal. The ideas are superior. The spirit of bipartisanship is offered in earnest, and our needs are dire. Any attempt to filibuster would mean the death of an already crippled GOP.

Never trust a man whose entire name is only six letters long. Except for Mel Ott.

Prediction: Arizona will be the Florida of the 21st Century

Mighty Taternuts: I would recommend that FARK have a "hypocrite" tag but it would be used on 95% of the political threads with the remaining 5% being the fail tag.

There's already an obvious tag for this sort of thing.

libbynomore2: Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

Because most Democrats were in favor of the war in Iraq?

Too bad the repug's did not go nuclear on the filibuster and get rid of it. Would have made for some tasty sweet irony to go with the gallons of republican tears in the fridge.

Now if we could just get the FBI to start spying on all the right leaning charities and think-tanks. Or maybe not, that level of irony might spell the end of the universe.

vartian: libbynomore2: Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

Christ, can you not keep a coherent thought for like 3 seconds, spaz?

And the GOP will not filibuster, not much anyway, and not on the important things. We are going to work around the idiots and talk to the moderates, of which there are too many for the GOP to try and stop.

The fight is not equal. The ideas are superior. The spirit of bipartisanship is offered in earnest, and our needs are dire. Any attempt to filibuster would mean the death of an already crippled GOP.

Why did you waste time trying to reason with him? Unless you did it for people who read his posts and believe he knows what he is talking about.

vartian: libbynomore2: Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

Christ, can you not keep a coherent thought for like 3 seconds, spaz?

And the GOP will not filibuster, not much anyway, and not on the important things. We are going to work around the idiots and talk to the moderates, of which there are too many for the GOP to try and stop.

The fight is not equal. The ideas are superior. The spirit of bipartisanship is offered in earnest, and our needs are dire. Any attempt to filibuster would mean the death of an already crippled GOP.

That is if the GOP leadership can get themselves arranged and ordered. That may not happen--right now, there's a lot of loose cannonade in both the Senate and the House as everyone jockeys for position.

Maybe they'll get it together as a cohesive whole by the inauguration--as both the House and Senate settle down to their new roles, and remember what it's like to be in the minority again. But the House is still chock full of reactionaries, and the Senate has a few hot heads who are going to try to squeeze every buck they can for their home states and client donors who are understandably worried about this new Administration.

I think that the best we can hope for is that the GOP will hunker down a bit and marshal up some guidelines for themselves, but I'm not betting on it just yet. The Senate and House are just too fractured right now--a lot of Senators just don't really like each other that much, and so few compared to their colleagues, it may be a bit of a fight in the ranks.

libbynomore2:
Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

maybe because a formal declaration of war was never voted on?

What is this? A party not in the majority is still able to accomplish it's goals in the senate? But we were told by the democrats for years and years that since they didn't have a majority they couldn't do anything.

I'm flabbergasted.

skipjack: What is this? A party not in the majority is still able to accomplish it's goals in the senate? But we were told by the democrats for years and years that since they didn't have a majority they couldn't do anything.

I'm flabbergasted.

I don't know what it means, but I be it.

The same tactics should be available to whichever party is in the minority. Otherwise, you wind up with laws straight out of the 700 Club or the Little Red Book.

/Balance? In my gummint?

Can anyone get updated stats?

Spanky_McFarksalot: Meh. Hypocrisy will show up on both sides over this.

Exactly. Whichever party controls the Senate biatches and moans endlessly about the filibuster until the other side gets control. Been this way for years.

libbynomore2: Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?


Unless the subby is Howard Dean, you have no point.

Prediction: Arizona will be the Florida of the 21st Century

It's hot.
Lots of old people moving in.

There is definitely the potential there.

Jon Kyl is a steaming pile of crap; a partisan hack, nothing more. I am sorry that our state put him into office.

He is almost a short-underpants version of Romney. Yeah, I shuddered when I thought of the idea of him in bikini briefs, too.

I'm willing to give up this tool. Pretty much sums up the electorate to the Republican party.

The disingenious faux-outrage is delicious.

Petey4335:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p125/cubswin39/filibusters0707.jpg
Can anyone get updated stats?

Bears repeating.

It's not that filibusters are bad or that the democrats should have power in all 3 branches (oh wait, they DON'T, because they don't have the SC and probably won't for another 20 years at least) it is the fact that the Republicans of congress have flat-out refused to work with Democrats come hell or high water. When they had power they said, "let's be bi-partisan, that means do as I say and I get my way like a spoiled brat or I do it anyway and call you an obstructionist." When they lost power they said, "let's be bi-partisan, now do as I say or else I'll act like a spoiled brat and refuse to even sign the FBI's farking paycheck and call you a do-nothing congress."

You can only go "slug-bug no backs" so many times before they slug you back anyway, and possibly beat you to death.

This is not, "both sides are wrong," there is a CLEAR disparity and it shows the Republicans to be nastier. Both a pot-smoker and a murderer are criminals, but there's a difference between them too.

But I don't mind the filibustering as much as the filibuster threats. There's a 20+ year old agreement between the parties that a threat to filibuster is good enough, and when someone threatens to do it they table the motion and do something else. Since there IS nothing else because the Republicans block EVERYTHING I think they should be forced to actually filibuster. I want to see Jon Kyl stand up and babble for 24 hours straight. I want to hear that Larry Craig ran out of material to talk about and had to go into his sexual escapades with male prostitutes to fill the time. These farkers get a raise automatically for inflation while minimum wage has to be fought over, they least they can do is give us some god-damned political theater.

I am the beating drum of the historically bored. I am TheBigJerk. I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

hubiestubert: I think that the best we can hope for is that the GOP will hunker down a bit and marshal up some guidelines for themselves, but I'm not betting on it just yet.

Actually the best WE can hope for is that all elected Republicans collectively DIAF.

You know, I was all set to come in here and explain the difference between fillibustering judicial appointments (I don't agree with this) and fillibustering legislation (which is just fine).

Then I RTFA and promptly facepalmed.

Yeah, Kyl's being a hypocrytical douchenozzle. No argument from this Republican.

TheBigJerk:
This is not, "both sides are wrong," there is a CLEAR disparity and it shows the Republicans to be nastier. Both a pot-smoker and a murderer are criminals, but there's a difference between them too.


Wow....everything must have a rosy tint when you look outside.

The dem's biatched and moaned that they couldn't do anything wen the rep's had a majority....then when the dem's have a majority, they still biatch and moan that they can't get anything done..because they are in....the majority.

To top it all off, they blame their inadequacies on the rep's and their either ignorant or purposely blind supporters lap it up as if it were the truth.

Tell me...when you lap up the crap they shovel you...does it taste good?

The next few years are going to be very entertaining to watch.

For years the Republican Party has stooped lower and lower with stupider and stupider candidates, because their "base" wants to be represented by somebody as stupid as they themselves are. The stupider the better - I don't believe rocks are more than 5,000 years old and I want to be represented by somebody who shares that belief.

Well that was all great while they had the majority (which they did NOTHING with btw) and 9/11 was fresh and new and scary to people who have never been out of their inbred counties.

But now these mouthbreathers are going to have to play on somebody else's field and so many of them clearly lack the intellect needed. Hating on fossils and gays is not going to cut it any more. These cockmunching, bible beating, fear mongering, warhawk, racist asshat shills for Big Business are about to get eaten for lunch by people who can read and add.

It's going to be a beautiful thing to watch.

Hey Dem Voters... how's that 2006 Congressional Election mandate working out for you? Looks like we're still in Iraq... and we will be there after Obama leaves office as well.

This is just another shining example of republican moral clarity and strict adherence to unwavering principles. Situational ethics are for America hating democrats. Or so I've been told.

sigdiamond2000: Totally different circumstances.

In 2005, Kyl suggested the nuclear option in response to the Dems filibustering of a Republican-nominated Supreme Court Justice. The fillibustering he's threatening now is in response to a possible Democrat-nominated Supreme Court Justice.

See the difference?

In all due fairness the Republicans did have a permanent majority right?

What makes this so bad is that he specifically addressed the fact that Republicans might want to filibuster SCOTUS appointments later, but that those type of tactics are just beneath them.

Chances of anyone in the liberal media pointing this out to him? Somewhere between "slim" and "none"

Arnold T Pants: libbynomore2: Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

Because most Democrats were in favor of the war in Iraq?

Which is why we elected a Dem who wasn't.

skylabdown:Hey Dem Voters... how's that 2006 Congressional Election mandate working out for you?

Judging by the results from last month... I'd say it's working out pretty good.

Wait, was there a special election I missed where those 2006 voters turned up to toss the Democratic Majority out on it's ass? I need to pay better attention.

And no response so far from libbysmartynomore.

skylabdown: Hey Dem Voters... how's that 2006 Congressional Election mandate working out for you? Looks like we're still in Iraq... and we will be there after Obama leaves office as well.

See libs? Further proof that Jon Kyl is not a hypocrite.

when ever i think of our elected officials...i remember that the opposite of progress is congress.

skylabdown: Hey Dem Voters... how's that 2006 Congressional Election mandate working out for you? Looks like we're still in Iraq... and we will be there after Obama leaves office as well.

Maybe because the claims that Democrats would cut and run were Republican lies?

The congressional Dems ran on a anti-Iraq war agenda. Everyone was talking about how Pelosi and Reid were going to cut funding and bring the boys home... Never happened.

I didn't think it would, but I clearly remember being amazed how many Dem voters thought that's what they were getting.

libbynomore2: Howard Dean 2004: One party controlling all branches of Government is bad

Howard Dean: 2008: Democrats controlling everything is a great thing.


So subby, what's your point? Besides admitting that you're just as hypocritical as you claim Kyl is I mean...

You loved filibusters when Dems were out of power, and you WILL live with them now.

Speaking of which, why do you suppose Dem's didn't use a Filibuster to stop the Iraq war?

I like how pointing out hypocrisy of someone causes followers of the party being criticized to automatically assume that the critic is from the other party and then justify the stupidity with an example of hypocrisy from another stupid party.

It's like college football mentality with you dildos.

bikerific: skylabdown: Hey Dem Voters... how's that 2006 Congressional Election mandate working out for you? Looks like we're still in Iraq... and we will be there after Obama leaves office as well.

Maybe because the claims that Democrats would cut and run were Republican lies?

It is pretty amazing how "cut and run" has evolved into Gates staying on at DoD. Talk about fear tactics.

If there was a presidential election in 2006, do you really think the GOP would have held on to the presidency? The president is the commander in chief, if the office makes a tactical judgment that troops need to remain somewhere, it's going to happen. The party in opposition to a war that turned out to be a moronic idea gained control of a legislature, shocker.

We have 2 major parties in the country: when one party farks up majorly, then the other party is given the chance to fark up majorly. Rinse and repeat.

Motion for cloture and stop whining, subby. If it's really so important that it merits cutting short the process, then most of the people involved should agree with you, regardless of party.

Anything being filibustered is probably a bad idea anyhow, is what I'm saying here.

It is refreshing to see our elected officials having enough smarts to change with changing circumstances instead of just sticking to outdated dogma.

skipjack: TheBigJerk:
This is not, "both sides are wrong," there is a CLEAR disparity and it shows the Republicans to be nastier. Both a pot-smoker and a murderer are criminals, but there's a difference between them too.


Wow....everything must have a rosy tint when you look outside.

The dem's biatched and moaned that they couldn't do anything wen the rep's had a majority....then when the dem's have a majority, they still biatch and moan that they can't get anything done..because they are in....the majority.

To top it all off, they blame their inadequacies on the rep's and their either ignorant or purposely blind supporters lap it up as if it were the truth.

Tell me...when you lap up the crap they shovel you...does it taste good?

Wanna know how I know you can't read?