With Sarah Palin as the Virgin Mary.

You want Reagan in swaddling clothes?

Eeuuww

Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior. Corruption and lies are bad, no matter what letter is after the name.

THIS.

There's only one group of people who are pushing the 'Obama as savior' meme. Hannity et. al. are just trying to raise expectations after realizing they lowered them tremendously by pointing out the silly things (i.e. He was born in Kenya! He's a socialest muslin!)

If they didn't, all Obama would have to do is convince people that a 3% tax increase for the richest Americans wasn't socialism and he would be considered relatively successful.

It's just damage control at this point on their part.

Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior.

Which scandal? The discovery of his certificate of live Muslim Kenyan birth to a white lady?

Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior. Corruption and lies are bad, no matter what letter is after the name.

Not that I thought he was some sort of savior, but I also know in my "heart" that Obama had nothing to do with it outside of the fact it was his seat being filled. Otherwise, the most involvement he had was telling Blago to pound sand.

Let's see, Billy, Blago goes into corruption overdrive because of an ethics law that Obama saved from a veto, and then Blago is caught trying to scheme out of the fact that he can't extract anythin out of Obama.

So by your count saving ethics legislation and not participating in a pay to play scheme are bad?

What a trolling farktard.

Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior. Corruption and lies are bad, no matter what letter is after the name.

Hell atleast he hasn't traded missles for hostages, or pay for corporate sponsored dictators around the world

Billy McGoodGuy: Shadowknight: Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior. Corruption and lies are bad, no matter what letter is after the name.

Not that I thought he was some sort of savior, but I also know in my "heart" that Obama had nothing to do with it outside of the fact it was his seat being filled. Otherwise, the most involvement he had was telling Blago to pound sandlying to the press and the American people about his meeting with Blago, and most likely failing to report his knowledge of the corruption.

FTFY

It is nice that you love Obama so much that you are willing to overlook the facts, but sooner or later you need to stop floating up in the clouds and come back down to earth.



3/10

/Obvious troll is obvious

Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior. Corruption and lies are bad, no matter what letter is after the name.

And every time a bell rings and angle gets its wings..

/you've obviously never met an Obama Supporter.

Billy McGoodGuy:
FTFY

It is nice that you love Obama so much that you are willing to overlook the facts, but sooner or later you need to stop floating up in the clouds and come back down to earth.

Of course a senator is going to have to talk to the governor of his state eventually. But you seem to be overlooking the fact that Obama renewed anti-corruption legislation and refused to play ball with Blago, as evidenced by Blago's comments in the official transcripts. The guy HATED Obama and was pissed that he wouldn't give him anything and refused to deal with his corrupt ass.

But, then, you already knew that, didn't you?

Soakitincider

I have no idea what that picture means, or what is has to do with this thread, but I love it.

Billy McGoodGuy: Shadowknight: Billy McGoodGuy: I think its safe to say that even the staunchest Obama supporter knows in their heart that after this latest scandal, Obama is anything but the savior. Corruption and lies are bad, no matter what letter is after the name.

Not that I thought he was some sort of savior, but I also know in my "heart" that Obama had nothing to do with it outside of the fact it was his seat being filled. Otherwise, the most involvement he had was telling Blago to pound sandlying to the press and the American people about his meeting with Blago, and most likely failing to report his knowledge of the corruption.

FTFY

It is nice that you love Obama so much that you are willing to overlook the facts, but sooner or later you need to stop floating up in the clouds and come back down to earth.

The Kenya thing was already good enough for me, thank God you guys are on the job watching out for Amurka.

Billy McGoodGuy: Shadowknight: Of course a senator is going to have to talk to the governor of his state eventually. But you seem to be overlooking the fact that Obama renewed anti-corruption legislation and refused to play ball with Blago, as evidenced by Blago's comments in the official transcripts. The guy HATED Obama and was pissed that he wouldn't give him anything and refused to deal with his corrupt ass.

I think all of this is great, and I commend him for it. It is just a shame he felt like he had to lie about this situation. I don't know why. But I am not willing to overlook lies, when we elected him to change that culture in politics.

Please explain exactly what lies you are referring to. Also, please explain the nature of Obama's alleged corruption in this case, and what evidence you think supports that claim.

Billy McGoodGuy: I think all of this is great, and I commend him for it. It is just a shame he felt like he had to lie about this situation. I don't know why. But I am not willing to overlook lies, when we elected him to change that culture in politics.

I don't remember him saying that he didn't meet with him at all. What I DO remember is him saying that he never met with him in regards to the senate seat position and opted to stay the hell out of it. Likely because Obama saw the storm clouds on THAT horizon, as did everyone else in Illinois. I have a couple friends from Chicago that have been saying this douche was on the take for a while now.

If the campaign has shown anything about Obama it's that love him or hate him, he knows how to play the political game. And if my two stoner numb skull friends could see it, I'm sure Obama did too and knew to stay the hell away from him as much as possible.

Billy McGoodGuy: I just hope, for the sake of the country, that he still has some ground to stand on by the time he is inaugurated.

I wasn't sure at first if you're a troll or a true believer. This line cinched it up for me, though.

Billy McGoodGuy: He lied abotu whether he, or his people, had met with Blago. They have, it has been documented, and he boldly stood in front of the cameras and declared that he hasn't. That is a lie. As for his involvement with the corruption, I would guess he chose to look the other way rather than report it after he was approached by the crook. The fact that he chose to lie about his meeting is a warning sign that there is more to this story than he wants us to know, and as people begin to talk, the truth will come out.

I just hope, for the sake of the country, that he still has some ground to stand on by the time he is inaugurated.

You're lying about what Obama said.

Shadowknight: I wasn't sure at first if you're a troll or a true believer. This line cinched it up for me, though.

Honestly...what's the difference?

jaylectricity: Shadowknight: I wasn't sure at first if you're a troll or a true believer. This line cinched it up for me, though.

Honestly...what's the difference?

atleast the troll doesn't make me worry me as much

someonelse: Billy McGoodGuy: Shadowknight: Of course a senator is going to have to talk to the governor of his state eventually. But you seem to be overlooking the fact that Obama renewed anti-corruption legislation and refused to play ball with Blago, as evidenced by Blago's comments in the official transcripts. The guy HATED Obama and was pissed that he wouldn't give him anything and refused to deal with his corrupt ass.

I think all of this is great, and I commend him for it. It is just a shame he felt like he had to lie about this situation. I don't know why. But I am not willing to overlook lies, when we elected him to change that culture in politics.

Please explain exactly what lies you are referring to. Also, please explain the nature of Obama's alleged corruption in this case, and what evidence you think supports that claim.

Watch Fox News for a half hour and you'll get the official "opinion" of all the Fark "conservatives". Usually word for word, although most of them can't pull off the faux sad expression that Hannity makes when he's pretending to care about the country.

Billy McGoodGuy: If you feel like dissecting quotes to find the truth that suits your opinion, go for it. It is shallow, but whatever...


Now there is word that Rahm spoke with Blago about the seat. That does not bode well...

I hear there's word that Rahm contacted Bigfoot and that Bigfoot talked to Blags and so now the good name of Bigfoot might be besmirched.

Billy McGoodGuy:
He lied abotu whether he, or his people, had met with Blago. They have, it has been documented, and he boldly stood in front of the cameras and declared that he hasn't. That is a lie. As for his involvement with the corruption, I would guess he chose to look the other way rather than report it after he was approached by the crook. The fact that he chose to lie about his meeting is a warning sign that there is more to this story than he wants us to know, and as people begin to talk, the truth will come out.

Where is the documentation of this meeting?

Billy McGoodGuy: Atillathepun: Billy McGoodGuy: He lied abotu whether he, or his people, had met with Blago. They have, it has been documented, and he boldly stood in front of the cameras and declared that he hasn't. That is a lie. As for his involvement with the corruption, I would guess he chose to look the other way rather than report it after he was approached by the crook. The fact that he chose to lie about his meeting is a warning sign that there is more to this story than he wants us to know, and as people begin to talk, the truth will come out.

I just hope, for the sake of the country, that he still has some ground to stand on by the time he is inaugurated.

You're lying about what Obama said.


If you feel like dissecting quotes to find the truth that suits your opinion, go for it. It is shallow, but whatever...


Now there is word that Rahm spoke with Blago about the seat. That does not bode well...

There is word on record that Blagojevich was infuriated that the Obama camp would not play along with his scheme. There is also word on recordfrom Fitzgerald that nobody in the Obama camp is implicated in any wrongdoing. Yet you are convinced otherwise. Why is that?

Hahah, people who believe in saviors are stupid rubes.

citizen905: Hahah, people who believe in saviors are stupid rubes.

Yeah stupid people

Billy McGoodGuy: someonelse: There is word on record that Blagojevich was infuriated that the Obama camp would not play along with his scheme. There is also word on recordfrom Fitzgerald that nobody in the Obama camp is implicated in any wrongdoing. Yet you are convinced otherwise. Why is that?

Like I said before, I don't think anyone in Obama's camp went along with the plan. But the stonewalling and attempts to hide the meetings between Obama's people and Blago do not look good. The truth is working its way out, and sooner or later it will be out in the open. It is just a shame that Obama didn't feel the need to be up front from the start.


Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Don't you have anything better to do than post links that actually counter the tenuous point you're trollishly reaching for?

Obama as Jesus?

That would at least be more accurate. Since Jesus was probably black (or at least not lily white with red hair) and all.

Just ask Rufus,


//Seriously though, bible thumpers. Please convince me that J.C. was the only white dude walking around Ancient Aramea.

Billy McGoodGuy:
I just hope, for the sake of the country, that he still has some ground to stand on by the time he is inaugurated.

Yes, you sound very concerned.

Personally, I prefer The Messiah (tm).

Savior, not so much.

What's that saying about repeating a lie often enough?

Careful, Cons (and believe me, you're the only ones that do). The more you use the words "The One" and "Messiah," the more people will believe it (and believe me, you're the only ones that use them).

lack of editing prowess for the win!

Billy McGoodGuy: Atillathepun: Billy McGoodGuy: someonelse: There is word on record that Blagojevich was infuriated that the Obama camp would not play along with his scheme. There is also word on recordfrom Fitzgerald that nobody in the Obama camp is implicated in any wrongdoing. Yet you are convinced otherwise. Why is that?

Like I said before, I don't think anyone in Obama's camp went along with the plan. But the stonewalling and attempts to hide the meetings between Obama's people and Blago do not look good. The truth is working its way out, and sooner or later it will be out in the open. It is just a shame that Obama didn't feel the need to be up front from the start.


Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Don't you have anything better to do than post links that actually counter the tenuous point you're trollishly reaching for?

Sorry, I have a policy. I cannot have conversations with people who sport a soul patch. If you have shaved it off since your profile pic was taken, I will be glad to talk. Otherwise, I cannot. Don't take offense, it really is nothing personal.

Well my face is as smooth as a baby's bottom, and one of your own links does say that Obama does not know whether anyone might have been contacted by Blagojevich. He has not denied this.

OMG!!! Obama did nothing wrong, isn't implicated in any way, but he LIED ABOUT TALKING TO BLAGO!!

Yeah, save your concern for the 4000 Americans and countless Iraqis that died because of Obama's lies.

...Meanwhile, the man that is still President continues to drag this country through the dirt. Where are the concern trolls when you need them?

Billy McGoodGuy: It is nice that you love Obama so much that you are willing to overlook the facts, but sooner or later you need to stop floating up in the clouds and come back down to earth.

He lied abotu whether he, or his people, had met with Blago. They have, it has been documented, and he boldly stood in front of the cameras and declared that he hasn't. That is a lie.

Since Obama has the media following him 24/7/365 I am sure you will be able to find photos or video of HIM walking into Blago's office? Possibly a news report of him actually doing it instead of saying that he would? Something? Anything? Quit being a sore loser.

Oh, and this bears repeating:

ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that the consultants ... are telling him that he has to "suck it up" for two years and do nothing and give this "motherfarker [the President-elect] his senator. fark him. For nothing? fark him."

According to the charges, "Blagojevich said he knew that the President-elect wanted Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but 'they're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. fark them.' " (Senate Candidate No. 1 seems to be Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Obama.) In another passage, Blagojevich fumes that if Obama doesn't show him some love, he'll appoint a person Obama doesn't want.

Yeah that sounds like Obama was making him a great deal to sell the seat for profit. Continue being a retard, with crap like this, the Republican party will be out of power for at least 20-50 years if all you can do is whine and point fingers at phantom possibilities. That whole boy who cried wolf thing...

lulz

Billy McGoodGuy: someonelse: Well my face is as smooth as a baby's bottom, and one of your own links does say that Obama does not know whether anyone might have been contacted by Blagojevich. He has not denied this.

I dont know what is worse...lying about who they talk to, or not knowing that they are talking to a crook. Either way, it is troubling.

Again, you are inventing things out of thin air. There is a difference between being contacted by someone and being involved in bribery. Blagojevich is on tape saying that the Obama camp was unwilling to pay up for the Senate seat. That unwilllingness could taken the form of refusing to take Blago's phone calls, or it could have taken the form of meeting with someone representing Blago, listening to what they had to say, and then telling them to shove off. There really isn't much more Obama's people could do. They knew Blago was under investigation. It appears that they cooperated with the investigation. Did you expect Obama to make a citizen's arrest or what

/"Excuse me while I whip this out..."

Lolz!! You all act like it really matters who sits in the oval office!
Confucius say, R or D you are farked either way.

Billy McGoodGuy 2008-12-12 10:05:36 AM
God's Hubris: OMG!!! Obama did nothing wrong, isn't implicated in any way, but he LIED ABOUT TALKING TO BLAGO!!

Yeah, save your concern for the 4000 Americans and countless Iraqis that died because of Obama's lies.

yes, because lying is ok, as long as its about stuff not as bad as war.

B b b but Bush!!!!!!

You must have selectively skipped the first part of my post. You have kids? I have two, 6 and 7.
If one kid broke the windshield on my car, then lied about it, he'd be in much more trouble than if the other kid lied about whether she drank last Dr. Pepper when she actually drank a Coke.

Zalan: Billy McGoodGuy:
Sin
ROD BLAGOJEVICH said that the consultants ... are telling him that he has to "suck it up" for two years and do nothing and give this "motherfarker [the President-elect] his senator. fark him. For nothing? fark him."

According to the charges, "Blagojevich said he knew that the President-elect wanted Senate Candidate 1 for the open seat but 'they're not willing to give me anything except appreciation. fark them.' " (Senate Candidate No. 1 seems to be Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Obama.) In another passage, Blagojevich fumes that if Obama doesn't show him some love, he'll appoint a person Obama doesn't want.

Yeah that sounds like Obama was making him a great deal to sell the seat for profit. Continue being a retard, with crap like this, the Republican party will be out of power for at least 20-50 years if all you can do is whine and point fingers at phantom possibilities. That whole boy who cried wolf thing...


Billy is not interested in those pesky facts you keep spewing! Its the talking points he wants! He links to an article with a question mark in the title. Apparently, he never read Drew's book.

What an idiot this guy is (or is pretending to be)

I would be interested to read a quote from Obama about meeting with Blago that contradicts documented fact.

Otherwise STFU.

It is funny because the only ones that ever say that are the haters.

Sources cited on http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/ for images

The Daily Telegraph (right-wing British newspaper)
World Net Daily
DrudgeReport

What's interesting is how the top post is... from 2012!

Dear Republicans: the problem with ridiculing someone as being a 'Messiah" is that a sizable number of people in the South (in States like North Carolina, Virginia, Florida...) are already preconditioned to follow any Messiah. And they should know. With the TV preachers, they've known a few!

Die subby die.

You lost. Get over it.

And if you're sick of me saying this (and I don't plan on stopping any time soon), there's a good way to do it:

Stop making asinine comparisons of Obama to a "messiah," stop referring to his supporters as a "cult" and finally, get a f*Cking life.

Tavernknight: Lolz!! You all act like it really matters who sits in the oval office!
Confucius say, R or D you are farked either way.

So let's look at the whole history of the Stock Market in the US, shall we?

1 - the Markets, and especially small companies, perform better under the Democrats.

This was proven in a study by two finance professors at the University of California at Los Angeles, Pedro Santa-Clara and Rossen Valkanov. The report is titled "The Presidential Puzzle: Political Cycles and the Stock Market", and you can see it here (new window PDF form).

Using data since 1927, we find that the average excess return of the value-weighted CRSP index over the three-month Treasury bill rate has been about 2 percent under Republican and 11 percent under Democratic presidents: a striking difference of 9 percent per year! This difference is economically and statistically significant. A decomposition of excess returns reveals that the difference is due to real market returns being higher under Democrats by more than 5 percent, as well as to real interest rates being almost 4 percent lower under Democrats.



The results are even more impressive for the equal-weighted portfolio, where the difference in excess returns between Republicans and Democrats reaches 16 percent. Moreover, we observe an absolute monotonicity in the difference between size-decile portfolios under the two political regimes: From 7 percent for the largest firms to about 22 percent for the smallest firms.

2 - economic volatility? Worse under the Republicans.

This one is thanks to David Leblang of the University of Colorado and Bumba Mukherjee of Florida State University (new window). The study (which tracks stock market returns since the first day the Dow Jones industrial average was calculated in 1896 through the fall of 2001) shows that market volatility decreases during Democratic administrations.

The paper shows that the expectation that inflation rates will rise under left-wing presidential administrations does indeed have an impact on trading, as older studies have suggested, but in a different way than those studies proposed.

"Our model predicts that rational expectations for higher interest rates under left-wing administrations decreases demand for stocks among traders," the professors write. "This decrease in demand leads to a decline in stock price volatility not only during the incumbency of left-wing governments, but also when traders expect the left-wing party to win elections."

Alternately, the statistics also show that expectations of lower inflation under right wing administrations make the market more volatile. This is because traders increase their inflow of capital and investment into the stock market when they believe the interest-rate environment is more friendly for stocks. More money at work translates into more volatility in the markets.

The study showed this trend was consistent regardless of whether a right wing administration was in office or whether traders merely expected the Republican party to win the presidential election. So it's probably a good thing that John McCain is honest in knowing squat about the economy. Well he wouldn't, would he? He's a Republican politician running to be the President.

3 - Dems pay their debts. Republicans just run them up like a drunken prom queen in a mall with daddy's credit card.

National debt. The Chinese own a couple of trillion dollars in your ass. So do the Japanese and British. Let's see who ran up that debt, shall we.



Every single year since Reagan, we've heard that tax breaks will stimulate the economy and help pay down the debt. Yet it never happened. The only time it trended downwards was when Clinton Economics were in play.

4 - Republicans want no rules for lenders. Then, when common sense happens, they'll call the borrowers "irresponsible".

This is what I like to call the Phil Gramm graph.



It was precisely because the Republicans wanted less regulation that less regulation occurred. It was precisely because of less regulation that people were able to obtain "Liar Loans", which CNN Money points out were "very popular with buyers seeking investment property rather than a home to live in" (new window... another Republican ideal: ownership promotes wealth). And now we have banks closing. We're having runs on banks. People lining up outside of banks, just like in the 1930s...



...only there ain't any angel called Clarence coming to save this one.



5 - The weak dollar? That leads to Federal deficits. So says Greenspan.

And having a weak dollar leaves us with less wiggle room too. As reported in the New York Times (new window)...

While Mr. Greenspan did not say so, a stronger dollar would also leave the Federal Reserve with more freedom to cut interest rates if it perceived the American economy to be slowing sharply.


...a weak dollar increases the likelihood that bad economic news would mean higher inflation. Just like now. Greenspan also said "Looking back at the history of the past century or more, the record would suggest that nations ultimately must rely on their domestic savings to support domestic investment."

Oh, did you notice these statements were in 1995? Funniest part of that article was the bit where it says 'Congressional Republicans introduced plans last week to balance the budget by 2002.'



Your little 'concern' that there's no difference?



Want more?



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/14/opinion/20081014_OPCHART .html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?partner=permalink&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;exprod= permalink
http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ articles/A29205-2004Jul30.html
http://www.amazon.com/Unequal-Democracy-Political -Economy-Gilded/dp/0691136637/r ef=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225383148&sr=8-1

Jackpot777: Tavernknight: Lolz!! You all act like it really matters who sits in the oval office!
Confucius say, R or D you are farked either way.

So let's look at the whole history of the Stock Market in the US, shall we?

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, put up a farking website for crying out loud. I know you didn't just whip that up on the fly. You really keep that kind of shiat at the ready to argue in Fark threads?

Nabb1: Jackpot777: Tavernknight: Lolz!! You all act like it really matters who sits in the oval office!
Confucius say, R or D you are farked either way.

So let's look at the whole history of the Stock Market in the US, shall we?

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, put up a farking website for crying out loud. I know you didn't just whip that up on the fly. You really keep that kind of shiat at the ready to argue in Fark threads?

Com'on TFer, you know that fark threads are usually nothing more than repeats of past weeks. If I had spent time looking up that sort of information I'd save it like that as well.

Jackpot777

This is FARK. There's no room for facts and figures.

Nabb1: Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, put up a farking website for crying out loud. I know you didn't just whip that up on the fly. You really keep that kind of shiat at the ready to argue in Fark threads?

Sh*t, man, give the guy credit. THAT'S how you do it...:)