Cleaning Service used by Chertoff

//The Secret Servicee and Department of Homeland Security can't even stop illegals from working for the Secretary. Not inspiring a lot of confidence there guys.

Was the tag deported?

The owner was spinning hard and fast on CNN this morning, trying to dump as much blame as possible on DHS and Secret Service. To some degree, he's right. How much faith do you have in USSS protecting dignitaries when they can't figure out that the maid is an illegal from Honduras?

...ICE told him to fire because they were undocumented.


Man that's cold. You know, I've seen it before. It happens all the time.

Occam's Chainsaw: The owner was spinning hard and fast on CNN this morning, trying to dump as much blame as possible on DHS and Secret Service. To some degree, he's right. How much faith do you have in USSS protecting dignitaries when they can't figure out that the maid is an illegal from Honduras?

Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

So the owner is complaining that the fines for employing illegals is going to put him out of business and that the laws are enforced haphazardly. Yeah, he may be right. Yes, larger businesses will be able to survive paying the fines for employing illegals.

Instead of complaining about how unfair life is, why not follow the rules and get other people you work with to follow the rules? Life is unfair. Deal with it.

Diogenes: Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

Isn't the Right's main argument that the private sector is better at EVERYTHING than the govt. ?

Flab: Diogenes: Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

Isn't the Right's main argument that the private sector is better at EVERYTHING than the govt. ?

Indeed. But that bloviating is more geared toward populist appeal than any real grasp of immigration. But when both government and business are incapable, the question of who can best do it is rendered moot. The question that remains is who should do it.

But it seems to me that if you put businesses in charge of screening their people, they're going to have to go to some singular, official resource. Which I would assume is ICE or some other government entity. Isn't putting the responsibility on businesses then redundant?

Diogenes: Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

This argument would make sense if these illegals were actual employees of the gov't. Which they are not. So it doesn't.

Flab: Diogenes: Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

Isn't the Right's main argument that the private sector is better at EVERYTHING than the govt. ?

The Right's argument in this case is that business's should be in the business of doing whatever it is that they do, not enforcing immigration law.

Staffers are so overzealous these days.

Diogenes: Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

And most of all, when you're taking a contract from Michael farking Chertoff, head of the DHS, and you yourself are complaining that the Feds constantly harass you for employee paperwork, wouldn't you make damned certain that every employee on the payroll was 100% legit?

This just underscores the need for a 100' high border fence with a moat filled with laser equipped sharks and a 10 mile wide DMZ patrolled with dogs that shoot angry bees from their mouths. Once the border is secure, then we can get to work rounding up all of the illegals and putting them in prison with the rest of the criminals.

gustakooka: The Right's argument in this case is that business's should be in the business of doing whatever it is that they do, not enforcing immigration law.

I wasn't talking about this case, I was talking about the general talking point.

This being said, I thought businesses were supposed to verify that immigrants have valid green cards before hiring them. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of green cards?

Eddie Adams from Torrance: This just underscores the need for a 100' high border fence with a moat filled with laser equipped sharks and a 10 mile wide DMZ patrolled with dogs that shoot angry bees from their mouths. Once the border is secure, then we can get to work rounding up all of the illegals and putting them in prison with the rest of the criminals.

They will just get fake IDs and get past the checkpoint.

The only solution: Annex every nation south of Texas and make them all American citizens.

Oh noes. Someone who was brought to America as a baby wants to make a living. The horror.

Poor saps would love a chance to become citizens, but they're terrified of being deported if they begin the process. I knew one a couple of years ago. Dude was PARANOID about being sent back to Korea. Last I checked, he was going for his GED and trying to get a green card without freaking out the INS. Not exactly someone who wanted to steal all our American dollars and take them to Mexico.

If these "illegals" were white Canadians, would anyone care?

/cue the dishonest "yes" from the WHARRGARBL crowd

gustakooka: Diogenes: Not to mention that we expect businesses to screen even when the government is incapable.

This argument would make sense if these illegals were actual employees of the gov't. Which they are not. So it doesn't.

It's a sad example of trying to pass the buck. It's similar to the unfunded mandates that this Administration has been oh so fond of. It's a shedding of responsibility that has typified this Administration. They have wanted the authority, but none of the real responsibility.

In this case, the government is capable, but refuses to exercise it, save when it's convenient to invoke it.

hubiestubert: In this case, the government is capable, but refuses to exercise it, save when it's convenient to invoke it.

Not sure I get your point.

As a Canadian, I can get in the US and stay there for 6 months on a tourist visa with no other paperwork than showing a valid piece of ID at the border. If, while in the US, I decide to get a job and my employer does not check my status how would the govt. know that I'm now an illegal worker?

notmtwain: //The Secret Service and Department of Homeland Security can't even stop illegals from working for the Secretary. Not inspiring a lot of confidence there guys.

questioning the competence of DHS and the Secret Service gets you added to the enemies list. Good luck never flying again there pal.

Flab: hubiestubert: In this case, the government is capable, but refuses to exercise it, save when it's convenient to invoke it.

Not sure I get your point.

As a Canadian, I can get in the US and stay there for 6 months on a tourist visa with no other paperwork than showing a valid piece of ID at the border. If, while in the US, I decide to get a job and my employer does not check my status how would the govt. know that I'm now an illegal worker?

core samples. the answer is always core samples.

Weaver95: the answer is always core samples.

I was planning on staying away from Area 51. I'm not that fond of anal probings.

Flab: hubiestubert: In this case, the government is capable, but refuses to exercise it, save when it's convenient to invoke it.

Not sure I get your point.

As a Canadian, I can get in the US and stay there for 6 months on a tourist visa with no other paperwork than showing a valid piece of ID at the border. If, while in the US, I decide to get a job and my employer does not check my status how would the govt. know that I'm now an illegal worker?

It doesn't, because it doesn't encourage businesses to report, and the consequences if they don't are weighed so that it's, at best, a slap on the wrist.

All the while, the rhetoric that we have to "get tough" on immigration goes on.

It's a shell game. It's empty rhetoric that means very little.

If folks were REALLY wanted to "get tough" on illegal immigration we have the tools and the resources. Arizona has them, and the laws in place, but enforcement of them is spotty, at best. Which just shows that it's a gimmick to smack around folks that the local government is displeased with, as opposed to an actual concerted effort.

Immigration is a hot button issue for elections, not for actual practice. It's a showboat sort of issue--"Look at me! Look at me! I'mma tough guy!" up until it comes time to do more than show pictures of folks being detained in the desert. It's an empty sort of issue that bothers me, only because there are idiots who think that much of anything is being done, beyond spend money on useless apparatuses to make a dog and pony show out of the issue, and still keep labor cheap and accessible.

If we were to REALLY come down on illegal immigration and undocumented workers, people would be screaming to high heaven at the sudden jump in prices and wages. We have banked on a system that relies on illegal labor--and it's something that Congresscritters really don't like to address, save in nebulous terms and with a few sacrificial lambs, while keeping their clients off the books and protected.

hubiestubert: It doesn't, because it doesn't encourage businesses to report, and the consequences if they don't are weighed so that it's, at best, a slap on the wrist.

Ah. I thought you were saying the govt. should be checking instead of the businesses.

Flab: hubiestubert: It doesn't, because it doesn't encourage businesses to report, and the consequences if they don't are weighed so that it's, at best, a slap on the wrist.

Ah. I thought you were saying the govt. should be checking instead of the businesses.

In Arizona, businesses are required by law to check the immigration status of all employees. But, the government here doesn't check too closely to see if they're actually complying.

Which leads to being able to tout a "tough" record, without really doing much. It's much like NCLB--it's essentially a life support bill for the businesses that play middleman, like NCLB is essentially a life support bill for testing companies. It's empty and useless, and only adds paperwork for the businesses that do comply, and with very little consequences for those who don't.

We HAVE the resources to check, and we have the resources to force compliance--but no one really wants to face the fallout of actually enforcing the laws. There'a a lot of tough talk, but that's just a front.

Every time I hear a politician coming out in favor of "tough" immigration reform, I just mark them down mentally as a pandering asshat--because all we have to do to get "tough" on immigration is just enforce the laws on the books.

And the sad thing is, that when Immigration does go after the sacrificial lambs to show that they're vaguely effective and to justify their existence, they run into a lot of cases that generate a lot of heat, that wouldn't exist if they'd been on top of things in the first place. It only illustrates how badly they've been managed and how ineffective they've been in enforcing their own rules and regs.

Reminds me of Linda Chavez, Bush's first nominee for Secretary of Labor.

I doubt anyone remembers who she is off the top of their heads...

Paris1127: Reminds me of Linda Chavez, Bush's first nominee for Secretary of Labor.

I doubt anyone remembers who she is off the top of their heads...

Wasn't she the lady who hired a bunch of illegal immigrants as maids, and gardeners?

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I hear brown-ies do a heck of a job

I assume he lives in Montgomery County. There are lots of illegal immigrants there. DC has people from all over the world, most are here legally but then they bring family and friends over and they overstay their visas and never leave.

DC also has lots of really nice houses that need to be cleaned and lawns mowed and gardens kept up, so it makes sense that a lot of illegals would find work doing that.

But we are all God's children so it is OK

Sybarite: ...ICE told him to fire because they were undocumented.


Man that's cold. You know, I've seen it before. It happens all the time.

You're cold as ICE...

You could treat this as a political talking point and partisan blame game.
You could treat this as an data management and enforcement problem.
You could prattle on about "getting tough on immigration".

Or you could go back to your principles:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"^




Yes, I know it's just a poem on a plaque at the base of a statue.
But we both know it's come to mean much more than that.
Except, apparently, when it comes to darkies.

Flab: gustakooka: The Right's argument in this case is that business's should be in the business of doing whatever it is that they do, not enforcing immigration law.

I wasn't talking about this case, I was talking about the general talking point.

This being said, I thought businesses were supposed to verify that immigrants have valid green cards before hiring them. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of green cards?

Green cards are hard to forge and people with one are documented out the yinyang (I have one). So illegals claim they're citizens. How would you prove your citizenship to an employer? More to the point, how would you, as an employer, check? Insist on a passport?

Without some sort of national, federally approved ID, it's not at all easy.

Erik_Emune: Flab: gustakooka: The Right's argument in this case is that business's should be in the business of doing whatever it is that they do, not enforcing immigration law.

I wasn't talking about this case, I was talking about the general talking point.

This being said, I thought businesses were supposed to verify that immigrants have valid green cards before hiring them. Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of green cards?

Green cards are hard to forge and people with one are documented out the yinyang (I have one). So illegals claim they're citizens. How would you prove your citizenship to an employer? More to the point, how would you, as an employer, check? Insist on a passport?

Without some sort of national, federally approved ID, it's not at all easy.

Social Security number check.

Not saying it's the easiest course or the most fool-proof way, but it's what we have.

The ironing is delicious.

IXI Jim IXI:

You're cold as ICE...

These hot blooded foreigners are playing head games with us. They're a long,long way from home and its urgent that we stop them

IXI Jim IXI: ICE

Yup...they're Foreigners, sure enough.

vernonFL: These hot blooded foreigners are playing head games with us. They're a long,long way from home and its urgent that we stop them

Stop it. You're sounding like some kind of Dirty White Boy

He also did the voice of the mom on Rugrats, and played the principal on Parker Lewis Can't Lose.

/eat now?

vernonFL: IXI Jim IXI:

You're cold as ICE...

These hot blooded foreigners are playing head games with us. They're a long,long way from home and its urgent that we stop them

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Needlessly Complicated: The ironing is delicious.

Golf clap.

Not surprising since the Bush administration supported the amnesty plan.

I'm not sure what the point of KOS is on this. They say Republicans were blocking immigration reform. No, they were blocking the amnesty bills. If the amnesty bills had passed then these illegals working for Chertoff would probably have been here legally.

I definitely think our immigration policy needs to change but giving away citizenship isn't the answer. Raise quotas on how many people can apply for citizenship and make them earn it so they value it.

This make Tancredo-Hulk ANGRY!!!





Don't forget ME, the Dobbs-Thing!!!

Brubold: I'm not sure what the point of KOS is on this.

Oh. Right.

The point is really completely unreachable, isn't it?

I mean, there is absolutely no reason that someone might find it, I don't know, ironic that the Republican head of the department that governs immigration might have had illegal immigrants perform work for him.

I mean, it's not like this sort of situation has ever been a political issue before, nor affected the careers of any other politicians. No is it like illegal immigration has ever been a white-hot political issue among GOP voters, or anything.

This is truly some lunatic fringe "bloggers" trying to make a political issue out of something that has no importance at all. I guess the left wing just isn't really all that relevant anymore.

Like we didn't already know this guy is a fark-up and a crook?

/heck of a job, Chertnie!

Procedural Texture: You could treat this as a political talking point and partisan blame game.
You could treat this as an data management and enforcement problem.
You could prattle on about "getting tough on immigration".

Or you could go back to your principles:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"^

Yes, I know it's just a poem on a plaque at the base of a statue.
But we both know it's come to mean much more than that.
Except, apparently, when it comes to darkies.

Protip for globalists: The difference here is that folks that came to Ellis Island immigrated here legally.

Preemptive Bonustip: Our fence is designed to keep people out, not people in.

Obviously: The difference here is that folks that came to Ellis Island immigrated here legally.

Which is what I am saying: the law is not the same then as now.
If it were, you might see poor Haitians or Hondurans (or wherever) arriving in New York harbour as legal immigrants.
I don't know what the specific qualifications are these days to apply for US immigration. It's pretty clear that many people need not apply: your poor huddled masses, for instance.

as evidenced by this and many other examples, our government, and all governments, generally are pieces of shiat.

Skleenar: Don't forget ME, the Dobbs-Thing!!!

Oh, man, seismographs around the world are going to pick up his asploding. He should do his broadcasts from the Alamo.