Please don't ungreenlight this one.

How can this tagline NOT be commie?

Huh? 2 similar articles? Hmmmmm...........

Pr1nc3ss: Huh? 2 similar articles? Hmmmmm...........

One article from before the vote, one headline announcing the vote's passage.

Ford not involved, is what I heard.

YAY! $110.00 cars for everyone!

great! when do i get my bailout!
/hawtlinked

The Senate will probably nix this, so: Meh.

Did ya'll read the comments below the story?

/chuckle, chuckle

Would not let me link (nevermind inline):
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8677/buyourcrapbh9.png

/they should have used GMC vehicle.

Where's the list of who voted for this monstrosity.

C-C-COMBO BREAKER

DrGunsforHands: Ford not involved, is what I heard.

They just wanted loan guarantees if Chrysler or GM end up tits-up.

/Anyone got the "blood for the blood god" bailout checklist?

Do the Big 3 have lupus?

"We do whatever the UAW wants us too."

Is there any way that an individual can ensure that their own tax dollars won't go to corporate welfare? Way to reward stupidity and failure, America!

It's a PART of the already passed bill. I still dunno why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch.

It's not $15 billion extra, it's just taking some money from that initial bailout and routing it to the big 3.

Ericfoos: Where's the list of who voted for this monstrosity.

Here ya go (clicky pops)


List of bastards AKA AYES --- 237 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Altmire
Andrews
Arcuri
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Barro w
Barton (TX)
Bean
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Berry
Bishop (GA)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boyda (KS)
Brady (PA)
Braley (IA)
Brown, Corrine
Buyer
Camp (MI)
Capito
Capps
Capuano
Carnahan
Carney
Carson
Castle
Castor
Cazayoux
Chandler
Clarke
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Conyers
Costello
Courtney
Cramer
Crowley
Cuel lar
Cummings
Davis (CA)
Davis (IL)
Davis, Lincoln
DeFazio
DeGette
DeLauro
Dicks
Dingell
Doggett
Donnelly
Doyle
Edwards (MD)
Edwards (TX)
Ehlers
Ellsworth
Emerson
Engel
English (PA)
Eshoo
Etheridge
Farr
Fattah
Foster
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen
Fudge
Gillibrand
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Hall (NY)
Hare
Harman
Higgins
Hill
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hirono
Hodes
Hoekstra
Holden
Holt
Honda
Hoyer
Hunter
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson (GA)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kind
King (NY)
Klein (FL)
Knollenberg
Kucinich
LaHood
Lampson
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
LaTourette
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lewis (KY)
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Lynch
Mahoney (FL)
Maloney (NY)
Manzullo
Markey
Matsui
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum (MN)
McCotter
McCrery
McDermott
McGovern
McHugh
McNerney
McNulty
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Melancon
Michaud
Miller (MI)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (KS)
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murphy (CT)
Murphy, Patrick
Murphy, Tim
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
P omeroy
Porter
Price (NC)
Ramstad
Rangel
Regula
Reyes
Richardson
Rogers (MI)
Ross
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Ryan (WI)
Salazar
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sestak
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sires
Skelton
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Solis
Souder
Space
Speier
Spratt
Stupak
Sutton
Tanner
Tauscher
Taylor
Thomp son (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Tsongas
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Upton
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walsh (NY)
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Welch (VT)
Wexler
Wilson (OH)
Woolsey
Wu
Yarmuth
Young (AK)

BlippityBleep: Is there any way that an individual can ensure that their own tax dollars won't go to corporate welfare? Way to reward stupidity and failure, America!

Step 1: Move all your accounts to a tax shelter.
Step 2: Move your personage to a non-extradition nation.
Step 3: Renounce your US citizenship and never return.

I could really use that free car right now. I've been wanting to make a video of me doing a burnout with a Dodge Challenger until I broke the rear axle. Yes, just to piss off the mopar fanboys.

The RIchest Man in Babylon: List of bastards AKA AYES --- 237 ---

Woohoo! Way to go, Heath Shuler! I knew there was a reason I let him keep his job. Day by day, I'm liking that obnoxious cockbite more and more.

Occam's Chainsaw: BlippityBleep: Is there any way that an individual can ensure that their own tax dollars won't go to corporate welfare? Way to reward stupidity and failure, America!

Step 1: Move all your accounts to a tax shelter.
Step 2: Move your personage to a non-extradition nation.
Step 3: Renounce your US citizenship and never return.

Hey dipshiat, I think that there are many important things to use taxes for. Fellating the rich just isn't one of them. Have fun being a serf for your existence here.

If it weren't for socialism, we'd all be getting near-free cars from the automakers' going out of business sale.

The RIchest Man in Babylon:
Moran (VA)

Damn... Go USA

BlippityBleep: Hey dipshiat, I think that there are many important things to use taxes for. Fellating the rich just isn't one of them. Have fun being a serf for your existence here.

Wow. You might want to see a gynecologist; you appear to have a near-terminal case of vaginal silicoidosis. I answered you literally. I wasn't telling you, "Worship the bailout or GTFO." If you bothered reading any of my other posts in this thread, you'd note I was praising my rep for voting against.

In short, lighten up Francis.

Heh. Even the New York Times has some issues with this:

"It all sounds perilously close to a word that no one in Mr. Obama's camp wants to be caught uttering: nationalization."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/economy/09national ize.html?bl&ex=1228 971600&en=02a20d67d05bac74&ei=5087%0A

Hrmph... or this and first link:

Link (new window)

jake3988: It's a PART of the already passed bill. I still dunno why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch.

It's not $15 billion extra, it's just taking some money from that initial bailout and routing it to the big 3.



That helps take some of the butt-sting out of it.

So we gave a bunch of money to the auto industry. That's going to make the American people start buying cars from companies that they weren't buying from before the recession got this bad. Right?

Right?

FTA: "This is only delaying their funeral," Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said of the carmakers.

Get busy dyin', already.

I was never going to buy an American car before... and now...well.. nothings' changed.

At current burn rates this is like three months tops? Corpse yoga, anyone?

sarcastrophe: "It all sounds perilously close to a word that no one in Mr. Obama's camp wants to be caught uttering: nationalization."

Well, when no one seems to want to exercise option #1 (let 'em fail, preferably in a controlled manner) and option #2 has proven itself untenable (continue with the status quo), what's left but option #3 (nationalization)?

Well, other than the bank bailout method, IE "give away enormous sums of cash, plug your ears, close your eyes, and pretend everything will turn out a-ok".

They should have given everybody of "driving age" in the US a $800 credit towards the purchase of car made by the big 3. That way, they could make everybody feel good, and it wouldn't cost them a dime since nobody would use them anyway.

This money is going to be pissed away. Let them file chapter 11, which would actually help the future of the companies.

This is horsesh*t.

Do we need any more proof that we're big business's b*tch

We bent over in 2008, all right.

First for the oil companies, then the banks, now the failing auto market. Nevermind that we should be making LESS cars, not more.

Let the fatcats take it for once. And the shareholders. Aren't they supposed to be the ones supporting the company financially?

cpttripps: So we gave a bunch of money to the auto industry. That's going to make the American people start buying cars from companies that they weren't buying from before the recession got this bad. Right?

Right?

I've been wondering that lately: Who the fark is buying a new car right now?

Yeah, yeah, I know the majority of farkers here are rolling in superfluous coin, but personally, they couldn't give me discount enough to take a car payment on right now.

And don't the new improved (invisible) buisness plans involve selling more cars?

Occam's Chainsaw: Well, when no one seems to want to exercise option #1 (let 'em fail, preferably in a controlled manner) and option #2 has proven itself untenable (continue with the status quo), what's left but option #3 (nationalization)?

Well, other than the bank bailout method, IE "give away enormous sums of cash, plug your ears, close your eyes, and pretend everything will turn out a-ok".

Well I vote Option #1. And I get to ream my congressman about it on Saturday. :)

sarcastrophe: Heh. Even the New York Times has some issues with this:

"It all sounds perilously close to a word that no one in Mr. Obama's camp wants to be caught uttering: nationalization."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/economy/09national ize.html?bl&ex=1228 971600&en=02a20d67d05bac74&ei=5087%0A

I dunno. I doubt anyone stupid enough to buy into this socialism shtick will even understand what nationalism entails.

sarcastrophe: Heh. Even the New York Times has some issues with this:

"It all sounds perilously close to a word that no one in Mr. Obama's camp wants to be caught uttering: nationalization."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/business/economy/09national ize.html?bl&ex=1228 971600&en=02a20d67d05bac74&ei=5087%0A

Nationalization would actually be cheaper.

If they were real Americans they would say, "Go on without us...We're dying, save yourselves".


/Cowards

Occam's Chainsaw: vaginal silicoidosis.

LOL WUT

I'm totally confused. I thought Republicans were pro-business? I mean they were with all these huge no bid contracts involving the invasion. But they're not big on government handouts to the American auto industry?

And I understand that Democrats tend to be pro-Union but aren't they also pro capitalist and pro global market and trade?

I mean if you can't survive making a quality product, and fair prices which people want to purchase or consume, then you eventually will fail. Isn't that what capitalism is about?

//Someone enlighten me

wiredmaverick: I dunno. I doubt anyone stupid enough to buy into this socialism shtick will even understand what nationalism entails

Why not? Nationalism is the pre-cursor to socialism as far as I can tell. If you're going to do it all in baby steps, that seems the most logical method.

Seems reasonable. We can't have 3 million jobs evaporating. Even the possibility needs to be stopped. It's relatively small, considering what they were begging for. Let's see what happens before we all assume the worst.

Fart_Machine: Nationalization would actually be cheaper.

No shiat. Last I looked, the market cap is less than $2B for GM

The money was pissed away a long time ago. Now to avoid deflation someone has to eat the losses quick. The government has chosen to eat them

Citigroup alone has half a trillion. ($150bn post-Lehman, $25bn free money, $300bn recent rescue, god knows how much from the Fed's facilities)

the Big 3 make the exact cars America wants, that's why they have the sales. Since gas has dropped large SUV sales are up 50% and Prius sales are down 50%. Stop blaming a company for your own choices

Why don't they try nationalizing A car company? Pick whichever one is most likely to fail and buy it up. Keep the employees employed, institute higher fuel and safety standards, try out new fuel technologies, and once it's capable of running on it's own sell it to a private corporation at the higher going rate to recoop tax money.

If it's still going to colapse once the government has it they let it go for no more spending than they'd have had bailing it out, if it succeeds they recoop their loses. I admit the idea is farfetched and probably not feasible/legal, but you wouldn't have to look far for worse ideas.

saintstryfe: We can't have 3 million jobs evaporating.

So 1 million in every field is perfectly acceptable, but a 3 million chicken little worst case in one field is madness?

saintstryfe: Seems reasonable. We can't have 3 million jobs evaporating. Even the possibility needs to be stopped. It's relatively small, considering what they were begging for. Let's see what happens before we all assume the worst.

That's just it. It's too small. It can't possibly save them, at least not GM and Chrysler.

I don't think we can give them enough money to save them.