despite all his rage, he is still just a brat on a stage

I can't name many other bands that I went from loving to loathing more than the Pumpkins. Sorry Billy...Zeitgeist sucked, as did your solo album.

Wah.

I hate his voice. If only he had a somewhat talented vocalist sing, and stuck to playing guitar...

Whiny little fark.

I love his quote about "people" just listening to singles and not bothering to listen to the rest of the album.

No Billy. Maybe a couple of the ADHD crowd... but the fact is, if people are skipping your album tracks it's 'cause they're no good.

There's still legions of album fans out there, and they still love their band's full albums...

... but then, with Crazy Billy, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

Good job subby, I tried before but wasn't rough enough with Billy. *THIS* is how you get a green

"The real story was Iha was driving me out of my mind," Corgan said.

"He was so negative. The guy literally drove me insane."

followed by

"We're done with that. There is no point. People don't even listen to it all. They put it on their iPod, they drag over the two singles, and skip over the rest."

makes me laugh.

Maybe the rest of the band was "negative" around you because you kept sneaking around and re-recording their parts, you sniffy little dickhead.

Douche.

Mayonaise... That is all.

/that's right, one "n."

darkhorse23: despite all his rage, he is still just a brat on a stage

out. standing.

+100

BigEd: Mayonaise... That is all.

Considering that is probably the best song ever recorded in the history of man, I can forgive his whining.

darkhorse23: despite all his rage, he is still just a brat on a stage

Nice!

He's still got a way to go to out-douche Anthony Kiedis though.

Yea, an unusual voice. I like their first 2 records. Maybe 1/2 of MCATIS. They lost me at Ava Dore. I think Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers in the industry.

By Mellon Collie, Corgan's diagnosis as having gigantism of the head was obvious.

I thought it was self-indulgent, narcissistic froof.

Siamese Dream and Gish are undeniably masterpieces, however. IMO.

Wash your hand Billy, and your mouth, and while you are at it clean out your ears because your new music sounds like crap.

Not doing albums anymore cause no one would listen to it? I'd listen to the whole thing if it was as good as Siamese Dream. Unfortunately, I don't think Billy has anything nearly as good left in him.

The Pumpkins used to be my favorite band, didn't even both listening to Zeitgeist cause I knew it'd suck.

People didnt like Adore? I thought that was a cool album.

I just wish Billy was less prolific. For every Cherub Rock he writes, he releases 2 Disarms.

he's extremely precious

Soma > all

/epic

Calmamity: Maybe the rest of the band was "negative" around you because you kept sneaking around and re-recording their parts, you sniffy little dickhead.

"Musicians" who don't strive for perfection deserve to have their parts criticized and re-recorded. Then again, its his own fault for drafting a couple of wallflowers into his band. At least he was smart enough to know that the best rock bands have amazing drummers.

He should've made "Silverf*ck" a b-side and put "Starla" on Siamese Dream.

That is all.

/I like both songs, just Starla more

Raw Toast: I can't name many other bands that I went from loving to loathing more than the Pumpkins. Sorry Billy...Zeitgeist sucked, as did your solo album.

This. My 15 year old self would be SO angry with me right now.

TSE: Calmamity: Maybe the rest of the band was "negative" around you because you kept sneaking around and re-recording their parts, you sniffy little dickhead.

"Musicians" who don't strive for perfection deserve to have their parts criticized and re-recorded. Then again, its his own fault for drafting a couple of wallflowers into his band. At least he was smart enough to know that the best rock bands have amazing drummers.

Okay, okay-- A few problems here. One-- I would NEVER play in a band with you. Dontcha think that ALL musicians strive for perfection, hence, like, you know, "practice"? Two-- Tell me how it would make you feel if your bandmate re-recorded your parts without your knowledge. Three-- Iha and D'Arcy established the sound of SP, a sound which no longer exists since they're not there.

The last part, the part about drummers, I agree with (DISCLAIMER: I am a drummer), but this is NOT the case with Jimmy Chamberlin. Flip your MTV News Yearbook back a few pages... Jimmy was fired in 1996 when he overdosed with the late Johnny Melvoin. He was the castaway, and the first to come back when Billy started flogging the corpse. It's not ike he had anything better to do, that's for sure. Anyway, summary:

FAIL.
FAIL.
FAIL.
(agreement).
EPIC FAIL.

Who?

If we couldn't figure it out by now, rock is dead.

verbaltoxin: If we couldn't figure it out by now, rock is dead.

People have been claiming this since rock was born.

Rock is not dead. You just dont enjoy any of the new stuff. Please understand the difference.

Every time I hear Billy Corgan's name, I think of this article (from 1994):

Link

Basically, it's Kim Thayil (Soundgarden's guitarist) and Billy Corgan hanging out. And Thayil is getting a little sick and tired of Billy's act:

"I'm thinking of making my next album really new wave," Corgan says, "like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen."

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn't buying. He's sore.

"Don't you see," Thayil says, "you're this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don't need all this...stuff."

"What sign are you?" Corgan asks.

"What do you mean, what sign am I?" Thayil says. "What difference could that possibly make?"

"C'mon," wheedles Corgan, "when is your birthday?"

"All right, goddamn it: September 4th."

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil's heart: "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back."

Thayil explodes: "What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?"

"But I hate it," Corgan says, "it means they don't think I'm the cute one."

Maybe they should go bowling

I saw them at Lollapalooza in St. Louis and all he did was biatch about how people weren't getting excited about them being upon stage. Well Billy, if you come on after two amazing back-to-back performances by George Clinton and the P-Funk all-stars and then the Beastie Boys, why don't you try playing a few songs instead of crying about people sitting down.

/previous concert at The American where they opened for Pearl Jam and the Chili Pepper's was lots better

I like Smashing Pumpkins. Outside of articles Fark links to, he comes across as a nice, cool guy. Zeitgeist was way too compressed and distorted. I still like the old stuff.

So much hate, come on - it's just a band.

I left a band earlier this year, started a new one and told the members up front I was the Billy Corgan of the band (obviously not as talented, etc) and that I'd be recording the album myself - they all agreed.

Then I folded the band and made the synth-rock album I suppose was inevitable considering my background.

/no idea, just seemed vaguely relevent
//still loves smashing pumpkins
///always writes slashies in lowercase

Godscrack: I think Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers in the industry.

Really? I've heard several people praise him -- but I just don't see it.

The world is a chip wagon
Sent to rip you off
And what do you got?
Not enough pocket change.
Despite all my rage,
I am still a wiener in a hotdog bun.
Condiments once spilled
Can never be properly dry cleaned.....

Andric: Godscrack: I think Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers in the industry.

Really? I've heard several people praise him -- but I just don't see it.

David Bowie thought enough of him to feature him on his Heathen album, which had some falt-out awesome drumming.

Billy (billy???how about bill or will or william? what a fag) has such a high pitched voice for someone so tall--makes him sound so unimpressive and annoying. Hey how about this billy: grow a pair. the music is mediocre at best and your voice is worse than a female alley cat in heat.

mandingueiro: Billy (billy???how about bill or will or william? what a fag) has such a high pitched voice for someone so tall--makes him sound so unimpressive and annoying. Hey how about this billy: grow a pair. the music is mediocre at best and your voice is worse than a female alley cat in heat.

Nothing like a bit of homophobia.

danduran: mandingueiro: Billy (billy???how about bill or will or william? what a fag) has such a high pitched voice for someone so tall--makes him sound so unimpressive and annoying. Hey how about this billy: grow a pair. the music is mediocre at best and your voice is worse than a female alley cat in heat.

Nothing like a bit of homophobia.

no, i just find such high pitched voices (in male vocalists) annoying: led zeppelin, coheed and cambria, especially Rush. Jeeez. talk about farking annoying. oh yea: fark you homo.

The Smashing Pumpkins are just a failed Xymox.

For your just-under-a-minute listening pleasure:

What if that guy from Smashing Pumpkins lost his car keys (new window) - Stephen Lynch

"What sign are you?" Corgan asks.

"What do you mean, what sign am I?" Thayil says. "What difference could that possibly make?"

"C'mon," wheedles Corgan, "when is your birthday?"

"All right, goddamn it: September 4th."

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."


This is infuriating if you actually understand the concept of precession. Spin a top. As it rotates around its axis, the top precesses in a circle around its point of contact. Similarly, the earth rotates on its axis daily, but precesses around the sun so that...

"A Virgo" a thousand years ago, when astrology was used, is not "A Virgo" of today! Plot out the sun's actual position of occulting a constellation at the time of your birth, and you won't find it's in the same house that all these mouth-breathers use.

Solar positions today are two full "signs" off from what the newspapers tell you. Also, the nurse at your mother's bedside has more gravitational influence at the time of your birth than the planet Jupiter. How many astrologers chart the nurses in your delivery room? I'm going to guess roughly ... none.

Well, he may have devolved to an idiot, but he's rich. We're just smug and poor on this end of the article.

I love Smashing Pumpkins, took me awhile to get use to Zeitgeist but I like it and will give it a listen every once in awhile. Certainly far from the previous stuff (though better than both Machinas) I would certainly buy a new album, but I am not gonna go collecting singles. If he does stick with this plan (he comes up with a lot of shiat and then doesn't do it) he will be loosing money.

I just saw them live on the first D.C show of this tour, amazing (other than the 20 minute pink floyd crap....) and Jimmy never stuck out as a great drummer for me until I saw him live, epic!

Well if you make an album worth a Fark peolple will listen to it. It's just amazing how that works......arsehat.

Sorry I meant people not peolpelelepdlle.....idiot

somms: Every time I hear Billy Corgan's name, I think of this article (from 1994):

That is awesome. Thayil's tracks were always my favorites on SGs albums.

Billy's efforts after the first break up were horrible (Zwan? wtf kind of name is that)...Zeigeist was as bad as expected...But I don't know...I enjoyed Adore and Machina and naturally everything before.

Saw their concert before the last time the band broke up.

James and D'Arcy did their best to play to the fans. They were entertaining.

Corgan did sweet fark all and acted like a douche. It was a small town concert, and he acted like it was a waste of his time to be there.

I've been a fan of the Pumpkins (the band but certainly not Corgan) since I first heard Siamese Dream and I've loved all of their albums up until the band broke up. The new album is uninspiring at best.

I've seen Corgan interviewed on TV and it makes me confident that his ego is the main reason why the band is where it is today (and I don't mean that in a good way).

He's just jealous that Iha found another bald guitarist named billy to hang out with. And frankly I'd take Howerdell over Corgan any day.

paulseta
David Bowie thought enough of him to feature him on his Heathen album, which had some falt-out awesome drumming.

that was matt chamberlain, who is a great drummer - i've had the chance to see him live with critters buggin' all up close and personal like.

/jimmy chamberlain was still more awe inspiring, even from 100 yds away