What's the matter subby? Jealous of some guy who has been putting albums out successfully and touring to sell out shows for 18 years now?

santadog: What's the matter subby? Jealous of some guy who has been putting albums out successfully and touring to sell out shows for 18 years now?

Are you jealous of gay porn stars?

wait, empty seats? The last time I saw a NiN concert (a couple of years ago, With Teeth) it was sold out. Every show was sold out. He even had to add shows to make up for the demand.

Say what you want about him, and I don't care for NiN either, but he's been one of the more innovative musicians/entertainers with respect to how he sells his product that I've seen.

I went to one of his concerts this year and I enjoyed it. Place was full too.

this is NIN's COlumbus Ohio gig, last November, even after the tickets were reduced to $17 (taken from this article (new window) :

I'm seeing NIN at Arco Arena for free on Friday so I'm getting a kick.

Trent,

Here's an idea: People will come see you when you suck less. Go back to doing the things you were doing when you were popular..

Protip: that would be pre "The Fragile".

/there's a reason why 30,000+ greasy middle-aged goths with "flock-of-seagulls-hair" show up to every single cure concert..

I got taken to the NIN show here in Houston this summer or whenever (disclosure: I played the shiat out of pretty hate machine just like everyone else, and Trent's a pretty creative guy, but he's also a whiny biatch and no grown adult should still be singing along to his pablum of "nobody loves me and I am so alone in the world")

ANYWAY, so I saw them at the Toyota Center here in Houston, place was half empty, crowd was half douchey. The band was solid, lights great, but the middle section of the show dropped down to some fairly interesting ambient stuff that I would really have loved to not see in an arena, and that the kid of people who go see NIN arena shows have no interest in listening to.

Trent, stop playing arena, start playing smaller, intimate shows, and maybe you might get somewhere, ya think?

Like an animal. He can feel me from the inside.

Friend of mine got to see recently saw NIN and reported many, many empty seats. Not only that, but people were apparently standing still. Standing still during March of the Pigs. That's just wrong.

Come back and do cheap club shows, Trent. I'll go every time.

WAZZUP Hatemitter?
Saw them last Friday in a packed house. Great show.

AOMU

What is with fark headlines and calling out bands / artists / teams for having no fans? Last time I checked Trent was doing fine, especially since he got out of his record contract. I saw them on this tour in Calgary and yea, the place wasn't sold out, however I would be very surprised if they didn't turn a profit on it. The merch table had a pretty decent line and I've seen tons of people on the streets since then wearing merch from the show.

His new material is far superior to his older stuff, much more refined sound and generally more interesting to listen to. I think it would be great if he played smaller venues and charged more money to keep the casual (ie drunken, retarded) fans away.

Oh yea, and those pics from Columbus look like they are before the show has even started, way too bright in there. And who cares if morans in Columbus don't care for NIN anymore anyway? Trent could tour internationally for the rest of his life and die a rich man.

cannotsuggestaname: wait, empty seats? The last time I saw a NiN concert (a couple of years ago, With Teeth) it was sold out. Every show was sold out.

You make the mistake of assuming subby is basing his observation on actual sales figures rather than a blind dislike of NIN. Also, headlines are usually made up on here. That one read more like a troll though, than a funny made-up add-on.

/hypen-ated
//wo-rds

Calm down, I think Subs was just trying for the green light. It seems to have worked.

I've seen NIN every time they've come to Houston, and every time it's been a great show. Trent does a lot of things right - his stage presence is phenomenal, he demonstrates his vast array of musical skills, he's fun to watch and (even as a guy) to look at, his music is solid when performed live (oftentimes better than the recorded versions), and his lightshow and effects are imaginative and impressive. I like the shows, and I gladly attend them.

I think the only problem I've had is with his fans. I was on the floor, last time they were here (Toyota Center), and some douchenozzle was biatching about how he didn't play "Down In It" or one of the other real popular songs (I forget which one, specifically). I like that he plays his non-hits.

it's all relative to the area they're playing.

for example -

jacksonvile, fl? "it's not country, rap, or emo so i'm not interested"

omaha, ne? "i'm there"

saw them in both places - omaha was freaking packed! jacksonville was a collective "meh".

they also need to have a worthwhile opening act too! man, i can't stress this enough! i don't know who opened for them this past tour, since i didn't bother to show up early enough, but before they had a perfect circle, queens of the stone age, and others i'm sure opening up for them. maybe a throwback tour would kickstart things for them - manson as the opening act, nin as the headliner?

/i'd go for sure

Hmm, yea all sold out online. So one venue was half filled, big deal. I am sure the other sold out venues more then maid up for it. I bet he is just tired, it's been a long time the guy has been putting out records now and he is probably tired.

i saw him in Miami once. i think i was on the floor level, even though i'm sure my tickets weren't for that. Still, good show.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: I got taken to the NIN show here in Houston this summer or whenever (disclosure: I played the shiat out of pretty hate machine just like everyone else, and Trent's a pretty creative guy, but he's also a whiny biatch and no grown adult should still be singing along to his pablum of "nobody loves me and I am so alone in the world")

ANYWAY, so I saw them at the Toyota Center here in Houston, place was half empty, crowd was half douchey. The band was solid, lights great, but the middle section of the show dropped down to some fairly interesting ambient stuff that I would really have loved to not see in an arena, and that the kiNd of people who go see NIN arena shows have no interest in listening to.

Trent, stop playing arena, start playing smaller, intimate shows, and maybe you might get somewhere, ya think?

I completely agree. The experimental / ambient stuff he's playing with doesn't translate well to the large concert venue. The big stage shows should focus on the pre-The Fragile work, but I think that'll start getting a "Dark Margaritaville" vibe. I'm also a big Fantomas fan (Another difficult live act) but hated seeing them open for Tool in Albany quite a few years ago. It was a painfully impropper venue with poor acoustics for what Mike Patton was doing - and the Tools hated it. A la Jim Thirlwell, Trenty-pooh should start doing the University Chamber Orchestra Hall circuit with his experimental stuff. He would do well to infiltrate the snob-infested halls of academia with is "Novel Approach to Moderne Muziks".

Sherjo311: it's all relative to the area they're playing.

for example -

jacksonvile, fl? "it's not country, rap, or emo so i'm not interested"

omaha, ne? "i'm there"

saw them in both places - omaha was freaking packed! jacksonville was a collective "meh".

they also need to have a worthwhile opening act too! man, i can't stress this enough! i don't know who opened for them this past tour, since i didn't bother to show up early enough, but before they had a perfect circle, queens of the stone age, and others i'm sure opening up for them. maybe a throwback tour would kickstart things for them - manson as the opening act, nin as the headliner?

/i'd go for sure

LOL. Repeat of the Downward Spiral tour (~1992)? I remember it was before MM made it big... In Poughkeepsie, NY, he dandied out on stage and belted "Boys and Girls; Kill your moms and dad's" in this shrieking sing-songy falsetto. The place went dead quiet. Poughkeepise then tried to boo him off, but he just played all angry and pouty, trying his damnedest to middle-finger us all into death-fits for three poorly executed songs. His parting words, "Fark you Poughkeepsie!!!"

/ Loved it.

didn't see NIN this time around at the Toyota Center, but saw them last time when Bauhaus opened for them at the Woodlands. the place was packed... I sat in the seats under the tent, but looked back and you couldn't see a blade of grass on the hill, it was solid.

Fecacacophany: HotLonelyTeenageGirl: I got taken to the NIN show here in Houston this summer or whenever (disclosure: I played the shiat out of pretty hate machine just like everyone else, and Trent's a pretty creative guy, but he's also a whiny biatch and no grown adult should still be singing along to his pablum of "nobody loves me and I am so alone in the world")

ANYWAY, so I saw them at the Toyota Center here in Houston, place was half empty, crowd was half douchey. The band was solid, lights great, but the middle section of the show dropped down to some fairly interesting ambient stuff that I would really have loved to not see in an arena, and that the kiNd of people who go see NIN arena shows have no interest in listening to.

Trent, stop playing arena, start playing smaller, intimate shows, and maybe you might get somewhere, ya think?

I completely agree. The experimental / ambient stuff he's playing with doesn't translate well to the large concert venue. The big stage shows should focus on the pre-The Fragile work, but I think that'll start getting a "Dark Margaritaville" vibe. I'm also a big Fantomas fan (Another difficult live act) but hated seeing them open for Tool in Albany quite a few years ago. It was a painfully impropper venue with poor acoustics for what Mike Patton was doing - and the Tools hated it. A la Jim Thirlwell, Trenty-pooh should start doing the University Chamber Orchestra Hall circuit with his experimental stuff. He would do well to infiltrate the snob-infested halls of academia with is "Novel Approach to Moderne Muziks".

Agreed, too.

When I read that there was an "ambient" set that takes up 1/3 of the show, I kind of lost interest in seeing the show. I wonder if its the same deal with other people, hence less people at shows

all i know is, you DO NOT lapse into an instrumental or ambient music portion in front of a 30,000 seat venue. YOu KILL whatever momentum you just spent an hour building

Fecacacophany: It was a painfully impropper venue with poor acoustics for what Mike Patton was doing - and the Tools hated it.

fantomas is way over the heads of most tool fans, good acoustics or not. i too saw fantomas at a horrible sounding place(outside emos in austin. i guess theyre never gonna fix that garbage). i had to leave 20 minutes into it, but every other time has ruled.

id like to see nin at some point, but i actually liked the fragile and would like hearing some of that.

HappyHarryHardOn: When I read that there was an "ambient" set that takes up 1/3 of the show, I kind of lost interest in seeing the show. I wonder if its the same deal with other people, hence less people at shows

wow, that changes everything. i dont want to see that. especially since i barely filled one cdr with what i liked from ghosts.

Fragile = Not so good
Anything after getting off drugs = Not NIN

/end flame-bait

Last NIN show I went to was back on the With Teeth tour, when he was doing small venues before the big arena tour. It was in San Diego, at some club that had room for about 2,000 people. Kicked so much ass!

Trent puts on a show better than most anything you will ever see. It's a shame there's only a few shows left.

mahavishnunj: HappyHarryHardOn: When I read that there was an "ambient" set that takes up 1/3 of the show, I kind of lost interest in seeing the show. I wonder if its the same deal with other people, hence less people at shows

wow, that changes everything. i dont want to see that. especially since i barely filled one cdr with what i liked from ghosts.

Apparently 3 songs out of 30 = 1/3 of the show

chemical_angel: I'm seeing NIN at Arco Arena for free on Friday so I'm getting a kick.

Have an extra ticket? I just got back to working, so I'd rather not spend the $50.... but I will :)

I saw three shows this tour and will see another 3 in australia in feb, so I'm getting a kick out of these relies...



/australia is just a coincidence, I'm not going all the way out there for nin

Fecacacophany

yeah, well, it just goes to show what kind of edge heroin gives already talented musicians... no dope no soul, as they say!

the show you saw sounds like the show i saw of manson in new orleans... manson - "you lowlife maggots, you body piercing cocksucking filth of the united states, you're the wretched wrinkle in the foreskin of america that won't be circumsized... and i can say this about you because i call this shiathole home just like the rest of you!!!"

/tds tour was in '94 fyi

Wish he would have come back to phoenix this time around,, I saw him twice in 2005...

damn Vegas sold out of the good seats in just a few minutes...

Well, the show in Montreal was jam-packed, and it was really great. Incredible sound, great lightning and visual effects.

I'm getting a little old for NIN's lyrics but I don't care. The man knows how to put on a show. Each time I've seen him, he didn't disappoint.

I guess I should've gone to the one he did here, I just assumed his music wouldn't translate that well to live performances

Fecacacophany: Trenty-pooh should start doing the University Chamber Orchestra Hall circuit with his experimental stuff. He would do well to infiltrate the snob-infested halls of academia with is "Novel Approach to Moderne Muziks".

Now this is a show I'd pay good money to see...

seriously... I love the ambient/instrumental NIN songs.

HappyHarryHardOn: this is NIN's COlumbus Ohio gig, last November, even after the tickets were reduced to $17 (taken from this article (new window) :

The article says the photos were taken "moments" before NIN took the stage. However, I've never seen the lights go on in an arena between the opening act and the headliner. The lights are clearly on in those photos. Therefore, having seen a few shows in my time, I'd have to go ahead and say this guy is full of shiat.

ClicheGuevara07: The article says the photos were taken "moments" before NIN took the stage. However, I've never seen the lights go on in an arena between the opening act and the headliner. The lights are clearly on in those photos. Therefore, having seen a few shows in my time, I'd have to go ahead and say this guy is full of shiat.
i was at the show. it wasn't sold out, but after the opener was done, the arena had filled quite a bit.

I saw them years ago in Toronto and they filled MLG. I saw them this time around in Ottawa... They had the Corel centre setup in the smallest possible configuration and it still looked empty.

Good show though. Probably would have been happier to spend about 1/2 as much on the ticket and maybe see it in a show bar type setting. 2000-3000 people in a small room would have made it intense. As it was, it just felt "meh".

They played the sh*t out of Red Rocks in Colorado. Their visuals are mindblowing. Place was packed and people loved it. Maybe we just have better taste in music here.

AOMU: WAZZUP Hatemitter?
Saw them last Friday in a packed house. Great show.

AOMU

Were you afraid we might not catch your handle unless you included it like a .sig?

...that being said, only and idiot (of which we apparently have a few) would deny that NiN has gone down hill since the 90's. I liked them a lot back around PHM/Downward Spiral, but here's the thing that creepy obsessional Fanboys never seem to get: Liking a band, movie, or comic book ten years ago doesn't automatically obligate you to loving said band/movie/comic book for the rest of your natural life.

Cuthbert Allgood: Fecacacophany: Trenty-pooh should start doing the University Chamber Orchestra Hall circuit with his experimental stuff. He would do well to infiltrate the snob-infested halls of academia with is "Novel Approach to Moderne Muziks".

Now this is a show I'd pay good money to see...

seriously... I love the ambient/instrumental NIN songs.

Ditto. The ambient/instrumental/experimental genre stuff is great. Ghosts and Year Zero (esp. the remixes without Interscope's meddling) hints at some great possibilities - and he's always surrounding himself with appropriate madmen collaborators. There's a lot I like about the entire NIN catalog - but some disappointments as well. He should take a cue from the man who's life he seems to want to emulate: I caught Jim Thirlwell (^) at the Whitney Museum last summer... fantastic. Absolutely, I could see Trent moving onto the same sort of ventures. He needs to grow up, both thematically in his song writing and in terms of his performance goals. But if he feels compelled to whip out the 90's nostalgia and do it right (no ambient interludes)... that's fine too. As long as he stays clear of Auto-tune and Akon collaborations, I'll buy NIN albums.

Poor attendance? I just saw NIN in Worcester, MA on Nov. 9th, a rescheduled show from August due to Trent being sick...the place was packed and as usual, a phenomenal 2 hour NIN show.

Subpar cameraphone pic from my seat:

HappyHarryHardOn: this is NIN's COlumbus Ohio gig, last November, even after the tickets were reduced to $17 (taken from this article (new window) :

Well, if a band can't make it in Columbus Ohio.. I guess they just suck.

If they can get a lineup like this again, they'll do all right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w56PUnVRYR0

To those who shall besmirch his good name:



My moral standing is lying down, biatches!

Sherjo311: Fecacacophany

yeah, well, it just goes to show what kind of edge heroin gives already talented musicians... no dope no soul, as they say!

the show you saw sounds like the show i saw of manson in new orleans... manson - "you lowlife maggots, you body piercing cocksucking filth of the united states, you're the wretched wrinkle in the foreskin of america that won't be circumsized... and i can say this about you because i call this shiathole home just like the rest of you!!!"

/tds tour was in '94 fyi

Except that Manson is from Canton, Ohio.

When they came in Sept/Oct, their live show was amazingly sweet.

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: I got taken to the NIN show here in Houston this summer or whenever (disclosure: I played the shiat out of pretty hate machine just like everyone else, and Trent's a pretty creative guy, but he's also a whiny biatch and no grown adult should still be singing along to his pablum of "nobody loves me and I am so alone in the world")

Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

Nothing NIN has released since "The Fragile" has been in the "nobody loves me" vein. "With Teeth" had SOME despondent elements in a few songs. "Year Zero", "Ghosts" and "The Slip" are nothing of the sort.

/Yes, he should play smaller venues.

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/fan