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LessO2 2008-12-05 10:28:58 AM  
You stay classy, Bobby.

 
Diogenes [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:32:18 AM  
NOVAK: I'd go full speed ahead because of the hateful and beastly way in which my left-wing critics in the press and Congress tried to make a political affair out of it and tried to ruin me.

Holy friggin' shiat. Who the hell does he think he is? And who was making it a political affair by outing her in the first place?

What thoroughly reprehensible individual. I'm very tempted to make a crack about his tumor. But I'll settle for, "Go fark yourself sideways, you nasty shiat."

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:35:32 AM  
"I would do the same thing over again because I don't think" is probably the closest you're going to truth or honesty from this man. The rest of the sentence only shows his disconnect with responsibility for his actions.

The Left didn't crucify him. His own actions did. Man up, you treasonous, partisan pansy. It was an important story--but more for the sad fact that the government was cool with the action, because it was to discredit a detractor of stated policy, and someone who was working like hell to perform the duties that the government had charged her with.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:41:25 AM  
Aw, heck, he's just for transparency in government, that's all.

 
Zoinks! [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:42:15 AM  
I read that as ... "if he'd ask out Valerie Plame".

/Fark YES!

 
downstairs [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:45:51 AM  
This is a complicated one to me. Of course, I don't think in simplistic right- or left-wing talking points.

Outting Valarie Plame doesn't bother me. Someone in the government gave him the information. That's a story, and all the facts of the story- including her name- are important.

The part that bothers me is he didn't add a "hey, these idiots gave me Valarie's name in an attempt to use my rather popular column for political reasons" clause.

If he only made the story about that, I'd be cool with the whole thing.

 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:47:34 AM  
Ahhhh.... My personal hero.

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Tastes Like Chicken [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:53:06 AM  
Hateful and beastly? STFU you douchebag. You deserved far worse. You should thank your lucky stars for the things you have.

Is there any other single event that showcased better how little the Republicans in power cared about security and how much they cared about politics? I don't think so. When it came to choosing between hurting a political rival and keeping the country safe, they chose to play politics. farking disgraceful...

 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 10:53:37 AM  
To clarify though--while Novak is a douche of imponderable proportions, the folks who "leaked" to him are the ones who need to be up on charges.

All the way up that damn decision tree...

 
superbeerchan [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:09:39 AM  
Only one question for the powers that be:

Why in the fark is Bob Novak not sitting in PMITA prison for his actions? He's pretty much admitted that he has no remorse whatsoever for outing a covert CIA agent to the point where her and other lives are in danger, and states that he would do it again simply to spite "liberals".
That admission, to me, classifies Bob Novak as a sociopath.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:12:39 AM  
superbeerchan: Only one question for the powers that be:

Why in the fark is Bob Novak not sitting in PMITA prison for his actions? He's pretty much admitted that he has no remorse whatsoever for outing a covert CIA agent to the point where her and other lives are in danger, and states that he would do it again simply to spite "liberals".
That admission, to me, classifies Bob Novak as a sociopath.


My previous kidding aside, as repugnant as you may find his actions, Novak didn't break any laws. The government official that gave him the information on Plame may have, but any laws prohibiting disclosure of such information by government officials would not apply to Novak, who is a journalist. The First Amendment protects Novak from prosecution, and it should.

 
Diogenes [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:18:20 AM  
Nabb1: My previous kidding aside, as repugnant as you may find his actions, Novak didn't break any laws. The government official that gave him the information on Plame may have, but any laws prohibiting disclosure of such information by government officials would not apply to Novak, who is a journalist. The First Amendment protects Novak from prosecution, and it should.

While I agree, I find it hard to believe that Novak did it out of respect for role of the press in American society. He knew exactly what he was doing, and for whom. But as you say, that's not something you can prosecute.

 
MasterThief [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:19:35 AM  
downstairs: Outting Valarie Plame doesn't bother me. Someone in the government gave him the information. That's a story, and all the facts of the story- including her name- are important.

It was actually Richard Armitage.

 
Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:21:48 AM  
Diogenes: While I agree, I find it hard to believe that Novak did it out of respect for role of the press in American society. He knew exactly what he was doing, and for whom. But as you say, that's not something you can prosecute.

You are probably right, but partisan reasons should never, IMO, enter into it. I'd no more want Novak prosecuted than the people journalists who brought attention to Abu Ghraib, for example.

 
Blues_X [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:30:40 AM  
Goddamn... what a complete bastard.

If you act like an irresponsible dickhead, and then someone says "hey, you're an irresponsible dickhead", you cannot have a fit about it. Unless you're an utter douchebag.

 
keiverarrow [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:34:01 AM  
He needs to be prosecuted for treason, and that is in no way hyperbole.

 
superbeerchan [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 11:46:40 AM  
Nabb1: superbeerchan: Only one question for the powers that be:

Why in the fark is Bob Novak not sitting in PMITA prison for his actions? He's pretty much admitted that he has no remorse whatsoever for outing a covert CIA agent to the point where her and other lives are in danger, and states that he would do it again simply to spite "liberals".
That admission, to me, classifies Bob Novak as a sociopath.

My previous kidding aside, as repugnant as you may find his actions, Novak didn't break any laws. The government official that gave him the information on Plame may have, but any laws prohibiting disclosure of such information by government officials would not apply to Novak, who is a journalist. The First Amendment protects Novak from prosecution, and it should.


If he knew that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent (and from interviews that he's conducted there is evidence that he indeed did know this), and "outed" her, then he indeed DID commit a criminal offense, one that isn't subject to First Amendment protections.

Wiki link to timeline of Plame Affair, including Novak's role.

 
lexnaturalis 2008-12-05 12:03:26 PM  
No wait, it was Scooter Libby, remember!

 
IXI Jim IXI [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 12:50:14 PM  
Diogenes: While I agree, I find it hard to believe that Novak did it out of respect for role of the press in American society. He knew exactly what he was doing, and for whom. But as you say, that's not something you can prosecute.

Yep. Luckily for him (and for me), being an asshole is still legal ;)

 
stpickrell 2008-12-05 12:50:54 PM  
I read it as 'if he'd ask out Valerie Plame.'

What Ambassador Wilson doesn't know won't hurt him ...

 
Rann Xerox 2008-12-05 12:52:44 PM  
Bob Novak: The Douchebag abides.

 
Phil Moskowitz 2008-12-05 12:53:35 PM  
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"YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!"

 
whidbey [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 12:54:13 PM  
I wish she'd give me another chance.

She doesn't answer my phone calls or e-mails... :|

 
degreeless 2008-12-05 12:55:26 PM  
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priestrape 2008-12-05 12:55:41 PM  
what a wrinkled old c%nt

 
whidbey [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 12:56:20 PM  
degreeless: img1.fark.net

[MISUSE OF THE HERO TAG]

Uh, no. Go back under the rock, now. You can vote for Sarah in another 4 years, we'll laugh at you then.

 
vernonFL [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 12:59:08 PM  
Bob Novak ran someone down in his car and then fled the scene.

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 12:59:20 PM  
downstairs: Outting Valarie Plame doesn't bother me. Someone in the government gave him the information. That's a story, and all the facts of the story- including her name- are important.

so if someone in the govt leaked military plans that cost lives it would be ok to print them? I think not. what he should have done was to go to the dir of the CIA with the source of the leak.

 
Fart_Machine 2008-12-05 12:59:29 PM  
PoopStain: Novak didn't do anything wrong. He got information and he reported it. Damage was minimal.

Most of you idiots would consider Woodward and Berstein traitors if you applied your logic to them.


If you don't understand the difference between the Watergate Scandal, which involved illegal activities, and outing Plame then you're the idiot.

 
Brown Sauce 2008-12-05 12:59:33 PM  
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Sgt. Pepper 2008-12-05 12:59:39 PM  
superbeerchan: If he knew that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent (and from interviews that he's conducted there is evidence that he indeed did know this), and "outed" her, then he indeed DID commit a criminal offense, one that isn't subject to First Amendment protections.

It's not against the law for Novak to disclose the information that's been leaked. The person who told him about Plame in the first place is the one who can be prosecuted.

 
Bloody Templar 2008-12-05 01:00:49 PM  
My god, the depth of his douchebaggery knows no bounds.

/douchebaggery... Is that a word?
//I don't care, it is now.

 
Moses To Sandy Koufax 2008-12-05 01:01:49 PM  
If he hadn't outed her, I (and all of us) would have never gotten the chance to jerk off to her. So you have to weigh this fact against the downsides to outing a covert CIA operative, such as potentially putting many lives, not to mention missions, at risk.

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 01:05:05 PM  
Sgt. Pepper: superbeerchan: If he knew that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent (and from interviews that he's conducted there is evidence that he indeed did know this), and "outed" her, then he indeed DID commit a criminal offense, one that isn't subject to First Amendment protections.

It's not against the law for Novak to disclose the information that's been leaked. The person who told him about Plame in the first place is the one who can be prosecuted.


actually the names of secret agents and intelligence front corporations (Brewster-Jennings) are states secrets and anyone disseminating them can be prosecuted.
In this case though you had Bush ok'ing it so it was legal. If highly unethical. Had Bush not ok'd it then he could have been prosecuted. It is just this fact that makes me believe that Novak got a nod and a wink from the administration to greenlight it.

 
metroatlrecruiter 2008-12-05 01:06:40 PM  
I don't understand why charges were never brought over this. It got lost in the talking point vortex.

*sigh*

It's a shame that people actually support outing a cia agent, the CIA probably lost a lot of valuable info after the people they were tracking found out. Hopefully no one lost their life due to being connected with her covert identity.

 
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 01:09:11 PM  
metroatlrecruiter: I don't understand why charges were never brought over this. It got lost in the talking point vortex.

because the president ok'd it that's why. he had a div in the CIA that wasn't rolling over for him and were challenging his "assumptions" on the WMD. So he exposed them and effectively got rid of them as an obstacle and sent a message to anyone else that might want to defy him.

 
Vash The Stampede 2008-12-05 01:10:07 PM  
www.nypost.com
"Are you farking serious?"

 
xalres 2008-12-05 01:13:35 PM  
Diogenes: NOVAK: I'd go full speed ahead because of the hateful and beastly way in which my left-wing critics in the press and Congress tried to make a political affair out of it and tried to ruin me.

Holy friggin' shiat. Who the hell does he think he is? And who was making it a political affair by outing her in the first place?

What thoroughly reprehensible individual. I'm very tempted to make a crack about his tumor. But I'll settle for, "Go fark yourself sideways, you nasty shiat."


Go ahead and make the joke. Respect is earned, as is scorn. Has this human waste product done anything to warrant anything other than utter disgust?

On with the tumor humor.

 
Alphax 2008-12-05 01:14:51 PM  
He should have been crucified, and I mean that literally. And it should have been done publicly, and to a cross set up on the Washington Monument.

 
Donald_McRonald 2008-12-05 01:18:40 PM  
Cue the "she was never undercover!"-tards.

 
ifarkthereforiam 2008-12-05 01:20:33 PM  
Bob Novak will always be considered a true patriot of the highest order by the twerps on the right because he annoyed liberals.
Who cares how he did it. I wouldn't piss on the self righteous prick if he was on fire, unless I could piss gasoline.

 
attackingpencil 2008-12-05 01:21:29 PM  
Do we seriously expect a man who someone (an elderly woman?) over, dragged them for a few blocks, fled the scene, and was unapologetic about it to display any form of human decency regarding Plame?

It's less news then all the rest of the not news on this site. Surprise! Bob Novak is a dickbag.

 
Saiga410 2008-12-05 01:26:47 PM  
Fart_Machine: PoopStain: Novak didn't do anything wrong. He got information and he reported it. Damage was minimal.

Most of you idiots would consider Woodward and Berstein traitors if you applied your logic to them.

If you don't understand the difference between the Watergate Scandal, which involved illegal activities, and outing Plame then you're the idiot.


OK, will you accept the Pentagon Papers then?

 
DeathByGeekSquad 2008-12-05 01:27:08 PM  
downstairs: This is a complicated one to me. Of course, I don't think in simplistic right- or left-wing talking points.

Outting Valarie Plame doesn't bother me. Someone in the government gave him the information. That's a story, and all the facts of the story- including her name- are important.

The part that bothers me is he didn't add a "hey, these idiots gave me Valarie's name in an attempt to use my rather popular column for political reasons" clause.

If he only made the story about that, I'd be cool with the whole thing.


He wouldn't, because it would alienate him from people who provide classified leaks, which serve both the political spectrum and the media side.

I personally think anyone who shares classified information should be outed, ridiculed, and run out of office. It's classified for a reason, if you really want to know what the fark is going on, access it via Freedom of Information. 'Getting' an official by blindsiding with leaked classified information is a sick practice by today's media. It's dangerous, and while it's informing the public of whatever is going on, it's also informing every other nation's intelligence agencies, which may have tidbits of information we have no farking clue about that become actionable intelligence because of said leaked information.

It's farking ridiculous.

 
Erik_Emune 2008-12-05 01:27:15 PM  
ifarkthereforiam: Bob Novak will always be considered a true patriot of the highest order by the twerps on the right because he annoyed liberals.
Who cares how he did it. I wouldn't piss on the self righteous prick if he was on fire, unless I could piss gasoline.


You could aim for the bits not on fire...

 
schiefaw 2008-12-05 01:29:48 PM  
Moses To Sandy Koufax: If he hadn't outed her, I (and all of us) would have never gotten the chance to jerk off to her. So you have to weigh this fact against the downsides to outing a covert CIA operative, such as potentially putting many lives, not to mention missions, at risk.

You have a valid point there.

 
Snot Monster from Outer Space 2008-12-05 01:31:22 PM  
What's really breathtaking about this statement is that his 'justification' for "doing it all again" is "they hurt my fweewings!!!" Not "yes, I would do it because the American public needed to know this." Or even "yes, I would do it because I think it necessary to take any possible step to support a Republican President."

No, it's all about him. "They were so mean to me!!!"

He truly is a douchebag extraordinaire.

 
CagedDepravity 2008-12-05 01:36:31 PM  
www.netzdino.de

link may be warm to the touch.

 
dhudd 2008-12-05 01:39:46 PM  
I hope he suffers greatly.

 
PC LOAD LETTER [TotalFark] 2008-12-05 01:58:07 PM  
I would "in" her before "out"ing her. And repeat vigorously.

 
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