I'm guessing you've already been drinking for a bit.

It's the anniversary of the "another" amendment.

I have never understood how prohibition was passed in the first place. I can see from the NY Times archives that national prohibition was passed by the House and Senate in 1917 and ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures by 1919.

That does not begin to explain how so many people could have been convinced that alcohol was such a significant evil that its manufacture and distribution would be prohibited. I note that consumption was not prohibited and people were allowed to make their own spirits during prohibition.

Yet prohibition of a harmless plant continues unabated.

Confabulat: Yet prohibition of a harmless plant continues unabated.

There needs to be a "Godwin's Law" for pot in alcohol threads.

Confabulat: Yet prohibition of a harmless plant continues unabated.

no shiat...

Worthy cause to celebrate. Now if we can only repeal all the other BS fundie-driven laws designed to impose some sectarian view of mortality on otherwise law-abiding citizens...

Admins/mods...if you could just change the words "be overturned by another" to "overturn another" you can delete this post and my first one.

This is the 75th anniversary of the only US Amendment to overturn another.

Not the other way around.

Normally I wouldn't nit-pick so much but I care so much about alcohol and the drinking thereof so much; so much so that I can't let this egregious error continue so much.

the_be_sharps: Confabulat: Yet prohibition of a harmless plant continues unabated.

There needs to be a "Godwin's Law" for pot in alcohol threads.

Alcohol is far more dangerous than pot.

Just shut up and explain why a damned weed is illegal.

If the government was successful in eradicating marijuana, would the remaining few plants be protected by the Endangered Species Act?

Confabulat: If the government was successful in eradicating marijuana

Just thinking about that happening is blowing my mind.

Confabulat: Alcohol is far more dangerous than pot.

I wasn't trying to engage myself in the discussion, I was commenting on the fact that the discussion constantly arises, and the frequency and propensity for threadjacking reminds me of Godwin's Law. I don't particularly think that marijuana should be illegal, but I'm not really in any position to change the fact that it is. I don't care that other people use it, and I'm not a big fan of people trying to tell me how to live my life. Color me empathetic.

Just shut up and explain why a damned weed is illegal.

Because enough people voted for lawmakers that would write laws outlawing it? I think probably the public backlash against smelly hippies and drum circles had something to do with it.

/I thought you people were supposed to be non-confrontational

Confabulat: Just shut up and explain why a damned weed is illegal.

Because anyone, ANYONE can grow it....and it's so easy to test for.


Well, that and the fact that it makes baby Jesus cry.

Confabulat: If the government was successful in eradicating marijuana, would the remaining few plants be protected by the Endangered Species Act?

You just blew my mind, man.

Lionel Mandrake: Confabulat: If the government was successful in eradicating marijuana, would the remaining few plants be protected by the Endangered Species Act?

You just blew my mind, man.



/h to the link ezy

Damn it...
unfetchable image...

Lionel Mandrake: Confabulat: If the government was successful in eradicating marijuana, would the remaining few plants be protected by the Endangered Species Act?

You just blew my mind, man.

(vapid Keanu Reeves look and voice) Whoa.

the_be_sharps: I was commenting on the fact that the discussion constantly arises, and the frequency and propensity for threadjacking reminds me of Godwin's Law

Well there's a good reason for that. If we know Prohibition doesn't work for liquor, why have we enforced it for decades for weed?

Don't you think our economy could use a few zillion tax dollars from legalized pot anyway? Sure we could all grow our own, but we could all grow our own tobacco too, but we're lazy and would rather just buy it from the store.

As it is, the repeal of Prohibition is an excellent demonstration of why anti-marijuana laws are about the stupidest damned rules on the book.

the_be_sharps: I think probably the public backlash against smelly hippies and drum circles had something to do with it.

Since when has a drum circle affected your life enough to create a backlash?

I'm really curious.

notmtwain: That does not begin to explain how so many people could have been convinced that alcohol was such a significant evil that its manufacture and distribution would be prohibited. I note that consumption was not prohibited and people were allowed to make their own spirits during prohibition.

I think the big push was from women's groups. It was seen as a way to make it so that drunks wouldn't be able to get drunk and beat their families. Of course, it set off the mob, making the streets less safe, but the road to Hell, is paved with good intentions!

Does not approve

Paris1127: Does not approve

I love that that insufferable biatch has a chain of bars named after her.

Confabulat: Since when has a drum circle affected your life enough to create a backlash?

I'm really curious.

I'd rather wait for a thread that was about marijuana to discuss further my thoughts on this, since this is a thread about alcohol. With regard to my comment about smelly hippies, there were quite a few hanging around in 1970 when the law was passed.

I have had roommates and leased property to people who were, for lack of a better term, pothead musicians and definitely smelly hippies. I put the word "pothead" first for obvious reasons. There was always plenty of dope, yet the rent was rarely paid on the first of the month.

And I guess the threadjack is complete. There should be a "Godwin's Law" for pot in alcohol threads.

the_be_sharps: Confabulat: Since when has a drum circle affected your life enough to create a backlash?

I'm really curious.

I'd rather wait for a thread that was about marijuana to discuss further my thoughts on this, since this is a thread about alcohol. With regard to my comment about smelly hippies, there were quite a few hanging around in 1970 when the law was passed.

I have had roommates and leased property to people who were, for lack of a better term, pothead musicians and definitely smelly hippies. I put the word "pothead" first for obvious reasons. There was always plenty of dope, yet the rent was rarely paid on the first of the month.

And I guess the threadjack is complete. There should be a "Godwin's Law" for pot in alcohol threads.

This is not necessarily an alcohol thread; it's a Prohibition thread.

Therefore, current Prohibition laws are fair game.

And there are plenty, plenty, plenty of fine upstanding citizens who smoke a bowl after coming home from a hard day's work.

But you are done with this argument, huh? Typical Prohibitionist.

the_be_sharps: Confabulat: Since when has a drum circle affected your life enough to create a backlash?

I'm really curious.

I'd rather wait for a thread that was about marijuana to discuss further my thoughts on this, since this is a thread about alcohol. With regard to my comment about smelly hippies, there were quite a few hanging around in 1970 when the law was passed.

I have had roommates and leased property to people who were, for lack of a better term, pothead musicians and definitely smelly hippies. I put the word "pothead" first for obvious reasons. There was always plenty of dope, yet the rent was rarely paid on the first of the month.

And I guess the threadjack is complete. There should be a "Godwin's Law" for pot in alcohol threads.

What's your beef?

...checks profile...Texas..."musician"...

Never mind.

/snerk

doyner: Paris1127: Does not approve

I love that that insufferable biatch has a chain of bars named after her.

Does she? I thought that bars just put up signs saying "All Nations Welcome But Carrie"


Let's see who can identify this still

Oh, and a "Nite Krew" poster? WTF?

/LP

the_be_sharps: There was always plenty of dope, yet the rent was rarely paid on the first of the month.

How did you know there was always plenty of dope, may I ask?

Paris1127: doyner: Paris1127: Does not approve

I love that that insufferable biatch has a chain of bars named after her.

Does she? I thought that bars just put up signs saying "All Nations Welcome But Carrie"

Carie Nations Bar in Los Gatos, CA (for one)--Google it.

And M.A.S.H., FTW.
Let's see who can identify this still

Dammit...

Confabulat: But you are done with this argument, huh? Typical Prohibitionist.

the_be_sharps: I don't particularly think that marijuana should be illegal, but I'm not really in any position to change the fact that it is. I don't care that other people use it, and I'm not a big fan of people trying to tell me how to live my life. Color me empathetic.

Not much on reading, eh?

Confabulat: How did you know there was always plenty of dope, may I ask?

Because... they were my roommates for several months before I moved out to tour? And talk gets around when you're out of town for months on end of the wild parties that are going on while you're not there?

the_be_sharps: Because... they were my roommates for several months before I moved out to tour

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAHAHAAHAAHAAAHAAAAAHAAA!!!!

*gasp*

HAAAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAHAHAAH AHAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAA!


Keep it real man. Keep doing it for the music.

doyner: What's your beef?

...checks profile...Texas..."musician"...

Never mind.

/snerk

*checks profile* Thanks for serving your country, LC. Got a bunch of friends in the fleet. It's ok to laugh, I hope you're as happy with your career choices as I was with mine. Be safe.

the_be_sharps: doyner: What's your beef?

...checks profile...Texas..."musician"...

Never mind.

/snerk

*checks profile* Thanks for serving your country, LC. Got a bunch of friends in the fleet. It's ok to laugh, I hope you're as happy with your career choices as I was with mine. Be safe.

Man. Way to make me feel like a tool... Good jorb.

In all seriousness, tho, stoners are generally harmless. Drunks not so much. What do you think is the real motivation for our current prohibition?

the_be_sharps: There needs to be a "Godwin's Law" for pot in alcohol threads.

Prohibition is prohibition. Your point is pointless. Don't want to see it? Lobby your congressman until they legalize pot, and it will never be a problem for you again.

Confabulat: If we know Prohibition doesn't work for liquor, why have we enforced it for decades for weed?

Not just enforcement, what I want to know if why the fark was pot prohibition enacted without a constitutional amendment in the first place? It is an appalling and unconstitutional use of taxation.

doyner: Man. Way to make me feel like a tool... Good jorb.

In all seriousness, tho, stoners are generally harmless. Drunks not so much. What do you think is the real motivation for our current prohibition?

I wasn't trying to make you look like a tool, but I don't think it's necessary to defend myself, and it's really stupid to start fighting back, especially on the internet. What I've done probably won't ever measure up to what you've done, and if I had played for somebody cool and been on stages that few in the world had, it'd be the wrong genre of music anyway. I get it.

Yes, stoners are generally harmless, compared to alcoholics and other drug users. Most of the ones I've met lead me to believe that marijuana is a drug that impairs the user past the point of me wanting to be around them for any extended period. A good friend of mine that used LSD, cocaine and meth for years said it best: "The few times I smoked pot, it made me stupid and lazy. All I wanted to do was sit on the couch, eat, and listen to music."

Once again, I haven't ever said that I think marijuana should be illegal. There's just not a whole lot I can do about it, and I don't have anything to gain by it becoming legal, except maybe more money would be spent on live entertainment.

So, here's a question, as a senior officer in the US Navy, do you use any other drugs besides tobacco and alcohol?

doyner: In all seriousness, tho, stoners are generally harmless. Drunks not so much. What do you think is the real motivation for our current prohibition?

The same people who pushed for the prohibition of alcohol. "Concerned" mothers, religious leaders, politicians, all the kind of people that want to tell you the "right" way to live.

And-1: Prohibition is prohibition. Your point is pointless. Don't want to see it? Lobby your congressman until they legalize pot, and it will never be a problem for you again.

I actually do think I'm starting to get it, but I'm not sure how a point could be pointless. Godwin's law is impossible to enforce, and it's just a joke. I originally posted because it seemed funny to me at the time that seemingly every discussion about the evils of alcohol will trend towards the unfair laws regarding pot. Although it seems a bit circuitous to get a law repealed just to avoid something I have no interest in "un-illegalized."

the_be_sharps:
I wasn't trying to make you look like a tool

I wasn't suggesting you were. That was my conscience speaking--hence not hiding behind anonymity.


but I don't think it's necessary to defend myself, and it's really stupid to start fighting back, especially on the internet.

Simple debate, man. We're talking merits of arguments here. If you want to go to where we non-internet tough guys hang out, check out the LP threads.

What I've done probably won't ever measure up to what you've done, and if I had played for somebody cool and been on stages that few in the world had, it'd be the wrong genre of music anyway. I get it.

Not a pissing contest. It was snark, not vitriol.

Yes, stoners are generally harmless, compared to alcoholics and other drug users.

Does this imply you support marijuana prohibition in addition to alcohol or niether?

Most of the ones I've met lead me to believe that marijuana is a drug that impairs the user past the point of me wanting to be around them for any extended period. A good friend of mine that used LSD, cocaine and meth for years said it best: "The few times I smoked pot, it made me stupid and lazy. All I wanted to do was sit on the couch, eat, and listen to music."

Probably pretty accurate. To quote Hunter S. Thompson: "multiple felon, perhaps, but certainly not dangerous"

Once again, I haven't ever said that I think marijuana should be illegal. There's just not a whole lot I can do about it, and I don't have anything to gain by it becoming legal, except maybe more money would be spent on live entertainment.

Would you mind it being legal? Do you only view laws through the lens of its direct impact on you?

And do you see that this is a prohibition thread in addition to an alcohol thread?

So, here's a question, as a senior officer in the US Navy, do you use any other drugs besides tobacco and alcohol?

Yes. Currently I'm on acetaminophen and diphenhydramine. I frequently use paracetamol and ibuprophen. I also like promethezine.

I'm no student of law by any stretch, but my understanding of Prohibition is that it was the only Constitutional Amendment that prohibited citizens from doing something. All others limit the role government or guarantee individual rights. It seems to be something to take into account when they talk about gay marriage amendments, flag burning amendments, English language amendments. The only amendment to limit ordinary citizens failed miserably.

doyner: Does this imply you support marijuana prohibition in addition to alcohol or niether?

I think I've posted at least twice that I don't think marijuana should be illegal. I think maybe what I didn't post was, I don't particularly care what anybody does (with respect to drugs), as long as they don't kill me while, or as a result of, doing it. That's kind of where I was going with the law not affecting me thing. Nobody has killed me (to date) as a result of using alcohol or marijuana, so I guess I'm for the prohibition of neither.

And do you see that this is a prohibition thread in addition to an alcohol thread?

Yes, in the words of the great jazz tune, "I'm beginning to see the light."

On a personal note, I was on LSD for about a month. LSD 50, the Carter Hall, to be specific. That was in my earlier "trying to put a round peg in a square hole" years.

the_be_sharps: And talk gets around when you're out of town for months on end of the wild parties that are going on while you're not there?

Yeah, nothing says a "wild party" like someone smoking WEED! Right?
the_be_sharps: On a personal note, I was on LSD for about a month. LSD 50, the Carter Hall, to be specific. That was in my earlier "trying to put a round peg in a square hole" years.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but no one is "on LSD for about a month."

Weirdo.

Just shut up. You sound really, really, really, dumb.

And as a footnote, I haven't smoked pot in many months, and I'm still just the same lazy bastard I was when I was every day.

/dreams are more vivid though for some reason

the_be_sharps: I think I've posted at least twice that I don't think marijuana should be illegal. I think maybe what I didn't post was, I don't particularly care what anybody does (with respect to drugs), as long as they don't kill me while, or as a result of, doing it.

No, you posted that weed is illegal because of the backlash from drum circles.

Then you posted a bunch of bullshiat about being on LSD for a month and the wild weed parties people had when you were out of town.

All the while, you complained that this wasn't a thread about Prohibition.

You sound like a first-class retard. I will mark you as such.

wild weed party?

I've had some wild weed parties. Mostly I dozed off or played video games throughout them though.

the_be_sharps: I'm not sure how a point could be pointless

Um ....

it's just a joke.

... this? Think about it.

I was on LSD for about a month.

Okay, now you are just a lying troll. fark off.

Look, I'm drunk right now and I paid taxes on my intoxication. Those taxes go towards education for children. Pot doesn't do that. So my question is, "Why do Hippies hate children?"

Sym_pathetic: Look, I'm drunk right now and I paid taxes on my intoxication. Those taxes go towards education for children. Pot doesn't do that. So my question is, "Why do Hippies hate children?"

If the government legalized and taxed pot, children would have even more money for education. Why does the government hate children?

Holy crap people, chill the f*ck out.

Its sort of weird seeing people who agree with each other argue.

Paris1127: doyner: Let's see who can identify this still

Who CAN'T identify the Swamp's centerpiece?

"...{cough}...Smooth..."
"Well, Thursday was a very good year."

I guess I'll have to have a shot of Bourbon to toast this event for breakfast...this is going to ruin me for the day, but, ok.

/Honestly, need I even say anything at all?