not that's an activist judge right there.

clarence thomas is a partisan political activist who wears a black gown.

I'm going to Girlie World!

Only if Anita Hill gets to sue Thomas for adulterating a beverage with his pubic hair.

Clarence Thomas is finally paying back all the uppity negroes that call him an Uncle Tom.

This can't possibly be a review of the issue on the merits. Does anyone have a link explaining exactly what issue the Court is being asked to review?

gad...what a sore loserman.

didn't anyone else think that this is a good way to put the issue to rest?

its better to check now and make sure theres no problem, then risk there being one and have a impeachment going, or the american people lose faith in the governments commitment to obeying the constitution

/i know i know, its all about dem vs. rep. , and all about race.
/i can't be about simply making sure the law is upheld..

Currently facepalming in heaven.

Ah, nevermind. I answered my own question. The source article Kos refers to seems to explain it. Unfortunately Kos chose not to highlight the most important details. (No knock on Kos - the other major news outlets fail to mention it, too.)

BTW, the application is to request a stay of the Dec. 15 vote of the Electoral College until the lower court can hear the case on the merits. (Which, incidentally, also challenges McCain's elligibility by virtue of being born in the Canal Zone.) Yeah, good luck with that.

Here's a little reading for Clarence (PDF link; fourth announcement from the bottom, on the left) (new window)

Nabb1: This can't possibly be a review of the issue on the merits. Does anyone have a link explaining exactly what issue the Court is being asked to review?

It's the Berg case, Nabb. I think it's just Berg's cert petition, but the thing is one of the worst written legal briefs I've ever read in my life. The guy cites to Wikipedia, for fark's sake.

This story doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so I am not going to assume that it's true unless and until there's some kind of independent verification from a MSM outlet. Regardless of whether you like or dislike Thomas, he's not insane.

overlord_mike: didn't anyone else think that this is a good way to put the issue to rest?

Two thoughts immediately came to mind:

1) Thomas isn't that altruistic.

2) Bush v. Gore - was that really put to rest?

As much as I hate to admit it, I think this thing needs to be settled.

The name of the hospital where he was born, with documentation would be nice.

It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

F*ck Clarence Thomas, that fat self-hating f*ck.

I believe(d) Anita Hill.

Is this guy seriously so delusional?!

Diogenes: overlord_mike: didn't anyone else think that this is a good way to put the issue to rest?

Two thoughts immediately came to mind:

1) Thomas isn't that altruistic.

2) Bush v. Gore - was that really put to rest?

1) neither are the other judges

2) while that was challanged it was done within the legal relm, also neither one of them were a great choice to begin with

DeltaXi65: Regardless of whether you like or dislike Thomas, he's not insane.

Oh, I don't know about that.

nubian, you crazay

Dread Pirate Slasher: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this thing needs to be settled.

The name of the hospital where he was born, with documentation would be nice.

It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

I'm pretty sure the Hawaiian government (pdf, sorry) trumps getting it from a news agency.

I can't believe we have 2 FReepers in our Supreme Court. Scalia and Thomas are both right wing nuts.

So what happens if the guy everyone elected turns out to be a super secret muslin born on planet krypton, what next? do they have another election?

How dare the Supreme Court not bow down to the Executive branch?!?! I DEMAND THERE BE NO SEPARATION OF POWERS while my guy is in office

SphericalTime: DeltaXi65: Regardless of whether you like or dislike Thomas, he's not insane.

Oh, I don't know about that.

I'm willing to bet he suffers from depression...

Yep, I believed Anita Hill too.

odinsposse: Dread Pirate Slasher: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this thing needs to be settled.

The name of the hospital where he was born, with documentation would be nice.

It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

I'm pretty sure the Hawaiian government (pdf, sorry) trumps getting it from a news agency.

all it says it they posses one, nothing else

all most people want to here is obama say this:

i was born in "blank hospital" on "blank day" in "blank city" in the state of hawaii

thats all, its not like it would take him more than 3 minutes to do that

odinsposse: Dread Pirate Slasher: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this thing needs to be settled.

The name of the hospital where he was born, with documentation would be nice.

It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

I'm pretty sure the Hawaiian government (pdf, sorry) trumps getting it from a news agency.


Yeah, but then there's this: "Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence"

Like I said, the name of the hospital would stop this shiat.


/can't believe I'm defending this bullshiat

vernonFL: I can't believe we have 2 FReepers in our Supreme Court. Scalia and Thomas are both right wing nuts.

That's main reason why I voted for Obama. I'm hoping Scalia or Thomas have a heart attack while he's president.

Lordy, I don't know nothing about birthing no American citizens!

overlord_mike: all it says it they posses one, nothing else

all most people want to here is obama say this:

i was born in "blank hospital" on "blank day" in "blank city" in the state of hawaii

thats all, its not like it would take him more than 3 minutes to do that


Exactly. In my opinion, there is just enough gray area that this needs to be clarified.

For the record, if you disagree with Thomas,

YOU'RE RACIST.

overlord_mike: 2) while that was challanged it was done within the legal relm, also neither one of them were a great choice to begin with

I didn't like the idea of that one even going to SCOTUS. I kind of feel the same way about this. I need to be convinced that SCOTUS should be reviewing this. I'm not clear on the stipulations and actual charges in Berg's suit. Isn't it really that he's been denied access to the documents or something like that?

Dread Pirate Slasher: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this thing needs to be settled.

The name of the hospital where he was born, with documentation would be nice.

It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

When you make an assertion in the negative, the onus of proof is on you.

Dread Pirate Slasher: It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

The major cable news networks were saying he was born in Hawaii plenty.

In fact, Fox News had an hour long biography which covered Obama's parents before he was born, Obama being born in Hawaii, explained his father's trips back to Africa and dealt with his mother moving from Hawaii to Indonesia. Hell, the Fox News biography was pretty even handed (although the editors did get their claws into it a bit for some narration fun I think).

I've read some diaries where Obama is being heavily critcized before he could even take the oath of office ...but this crap is out of control!!

Oh, but proposing a holiday for him, or having coins celebrating him, or streets and schools renamed after him is OK? He hasn't done anything yet! Give me a break.

So Obama has to prove that he was born in the US. Every president should have to. Why are all the liberals freaking out? Do they think he wasn't born in the US?

Ah xenophobia/racism at its finest. If Obama was white with white parents who came from South Africa would we even be having this discussion? Or is this just a way for all the racists of this country to vent their frustration of having to accept racial equality?

Diogenes: overlord_mike: didn't anyone else think that this is a good way to put the issue to rest?

2) Bush v. Gore - was that really put to rest?

No, but I'm guessing this would be a 9-0 vote, not a 5-4 vote with the most ridiculous opinion SCOTUS issued since Dred Scott.

Of course the issue here is actually standing, not the merits. Which I don't think anyone who has brought a suit actually has. I'd guess that only Electors and Presidential Candidates (and probably only John McCain here, considering none of the others have could show any specific harm to them as they wouldn't win anyway) have standing to challenge this.

Arnold T Pants: So Obama has to prove that he was born in the US. Every president should have to. Why are all the liberals freaking out? Do they think he wasn't born in the US?

And he has. They have shown the birth certificate. But since he looks different we should demand greater proof? I don't remember anyone questioning whether Bush was American when he was elected.

Arnold T Pants: So Obama has to prove that he was born in the US. Every president should have to.

Actually, you have to be a natural-born citizen. Which says to me that if you were a citizen when you slid out of your mama, you're natural born. Ms. Durham, being an American, couldn't give birth to a non-natural-born child no matter where she was.

Arnold T Pants: So Obama has to prove that he was born in the US. Every president should have to. Why are all the liberals freaking out? Do they think he wasn't born in the US?

Did W have to prove he was born in Connecticut or Maine or wherever it was? Didn't think so.

Arnold T Pants: So Obama has to prove that he was born in the US. Every president should have to. Why are all the liberals freaking out? Do they think he wasn't born in the US?

You know, you actually make an interesting point. Who exactly IS the authority? Congress? Some agency? Who's got the stamp that says, "Yeah, he checks out."?

Maybe that's the question we should be asking first. Then see what that entity has to say on the matter.

Arnold T Pants: So Obama has to prove that he was born in the US. Every president should have to. Why are all the liberals freaking out? Do they think he wasn't born in the US?

"Liberals" are just tired of having to debunk this crap over and over and over and over again. As a member of the reality-based community, I have found that it's been hard dealing with conservatives lately.

Postal Penguin: Ah xenophobia/racism at its finest. If Obama was white with white parents who came from South Africa would we even be having this discussion? Or is this just a way for all the racists of this country to vent their frustration of having to accept racial equality?

Are you just saying this because Thomas is black? All of a sudden a black Supreme Court justice can't be right just because he looks different?

Are you some kind of racist?

Postal Penguin: Ah xenophobia/racism at its finest. If Obama was white with white parents who came from South Africa would we even be having this discussion? Or is this just a way for all the racists of this country to vent their frustration of having to accept racial equality?

Meh, its just Republicans grasping at straws. Dems would do the same.

In 2000, there was a question whether Cheney could be permitted as VP because he was from Texas and only shifted his residence to Wyoming at a late date. If I recall there were some desperate court challenges on that as well.

As usual, Kos is the worst possible place to get your information. Would it be too much to ask, admins, to have a moratorium on Kos submissions for a while?

3StratMan: or having coins celebrating him

you know companies make those to make money right? and that they are real US currency?

Postal Penguin: They have shown the birth certificate

The same birth certificate that could legally be issued to a child born in a foreign country. What is the name of the hospital where he was born?

OneNutSaloon: Dread Pirate Slasher: As much as I hate to admit it, I think this thing needs to be settled.

The name of the hospital where he was born, with documentation would be nice.

It would also be nice to have a legitimate news source covering this. World Net Daily, Daily Kos, Factcheck.org and Snopes doesn't cut it. I want to hear Wolf Blitzer say he was born in Hawaii.

When you make an assertion in the negative, the onus of proof is on you.

So I can run for President and not have to prove I'm a citizen?

It seems the right wing of the Supreme Court has developed a taste for president making.