those roads dont get used

Or maybe its just me who doesnt use them, because ND took away my right to drive on their roads, i didnt have a ND license, and it wasnt even from my driving

lullercakes

/Mandatory

As someone who ran for the North Dakota legislature, I am getting a kick out of these replies.

/not subby

Looks like I found a state to go teach in.

He's doing it wrong.

Does anybody have that chart which shows how much money states pull from the federal government per capita?

Still stuck being North Dakota, though.

d'art: Does anybody have that chart which shows how much money states pull from the federal government per capita?

Why? New York just took trillions of dollars from everyone.

Chabash: Looks like I found a state to go teach in.

Don't even think about it. We rank 50th out of 51 when counting DC for teachers pay.

That $1.2 billion should be returned to the taxpayers immediately. Otherwise, the politicians will get a little bit more loose with their budget saying "Oh we have the surplus to fall back on if it goes over budget" and next year they will be $1.2 billion in the hole.

Hmmm... Perhaps the GOP should take note of how they do it in ND?

/never happen
//nice to dream

He's increasing spending by 19%, cutting taxes, and ending up with a surplus. Um, the math doesn't make sense. Is this guy printing his own money in his basement?

d'art: Does anybody have that chart which shows how much money states pull from the federal government per capita?

Does anybody have that misleading chart that basically asserts cities receive no benefit from rural infrastructure and farm bills in the forms of lower food prices?

Postal Penguin: That $1.2 billion should be returned to the taxpayers immediately. Otherwise, the politicians will get a little bit more loose with their budget saying "Oh we have the surplus to fall back on if it goes over budget" and next year they will be $1.2 billion in the hole.

That was George Bush's thinking. Sure could use that Clinton surplus now.

North Dakota taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. They rank 6 nationwide.

MyRandomName: Does anybody have that misleading chart that basically asserts cities receive no benefit from rural infrastructure and farm bills in the forms of lower food prices?

You mean those huge cities in New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, some of the lowest receivers?

Wolf Blitzer is a Substitute Teacher: That was George Bush's thinking. Sure could use that Clinton surplus now.

If Bush was fiscally responsible like this governor appears to be, that kind of thinking wouldn't be a problem.

Postal Penguin: That $1.2 billion should be returned to the taxpayers immediately. Otherwise, the politicians will get a little bit more loose with their budget saying "Oh we have the surplus to fall back on if it goes over budget" and next year they will be $1.2 billion in the hole.

Not in this state. The guy I ran against and lost to voted against raising the sChip percentage to 200%, against increasing per pupil distributions to the schools (even though our property taxes have gone up 50% in the last decade), against freezing student tuition, hell he even voted against putting the the National Guardsmen in the state health plan.

It is all the added revenue from all the cross-border shopping when the Canadian dollar was at par - now it is at 23% those funds will be drying up soon.

/vacations in Grand Forks
//exotic

politicati: He's increasing spending by 19%, cutting taxes, and ending up with a surplus. Um, the math doesn't make sense. Is this guy printing his own money in his basement?

Oil spiked and so did wheat prices. So basically the state was printing money.

And d_lebowski the GOP owns this state.

MentalMoment: North Dakota taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. They rank 6 nationwide.

That's because they make all your food. Two words: Food subsidies.

Meanwhile, North Dakota has a grand total of zero major cities that require heavy capital investments on a consistent basis. Fargo doesn't count. They also get a ton of federal money, mostly because of that huge field of nukes in the north, and Native American outlays.

Meanwhile, every time California tries to raise some sort of tax to pay for essential services, it takes about 238 milliseconds before it gets consumed within a bunch of Orange County and Central Valley WHARRGARBL.

OneNutSaloon: "the GOP owns this state."

I know. In MN some of us refer to ND as East Idaho.

Where's that graph thing showing how the red states mooch federal tax dollars?

States like Wyoming, Alaska and North Dakota don't exactly face an enormous challenge when balancing the budget - they have low costs, small populations.... I did my post doc work in Wyoming (so I am getting a kick out of these replies), and I can tell you from experience that they pulled in more money from taxing what the oil wells brought in than they spent out on infrastructure, etc..... people are just expected to do things on their own - for example, it snowed nearly every day from November to June (yes, it snowed several times in June) but not a penny was ever put towards plowing a road- the unwritten message: go buy a truck, or shut up.

The problem is you can't use this mentality in a state with a real population....

absoluteparanoia: MentalMoment: North Dakota taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. They rank 6 nationwide.

That's because they make all your food. Two words: Food subsidies.

See that's the thing I never got. All the coastal states complain that the flyover states pay less than they receive, failing to note that they grow all the goddamn food and raise all the livestock.

MentalMoment: North Dakota taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. They rank 6 nationwide.


Yes, but you've missed the part WHERE THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN FARKING NORTH DAKOTA!!!

Seriously...if I lived there, I'd move. If I couldn't move, I'd off myself.

And I bet many, many locals feel the same way...

d_lebowski: OneNutSaloon: "the GOP owns this state."

I know. In MN some of us refer to ND as East Idaho.

Sounds about right. These people would vote for Hitler if he had an R after his name.

/Now there's a godwin we can believe in.

absoluteparanoia: MentalMoment: North Dakota taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. They rank 6 nationwide.

That's because they make all your food. Two words: Food subsidies.

Last time I checked, you could find a farm or two in New York state and New Jersey.... you'd be surprised how much food they do produce...

That's a red state for you!!!

Also being a resident of North Dakota I can attest to the fact that many of the Democrats in our state are falling over themselves trying to spend this money.

OneNutSaloon: d_lebowski: OneNutSaloon: "the GOP owns this state."

I know. In MN some of us refer to ND as East Idaho.

Sounds about right. These people would vote for Hitler if he had an R after his name.

/Now there's a godwin we can believe in.

Actually, the election results (for President, at least) would seem to imply that South Dakota is actually worse, and that ND tended to vote much more Democrat in this past election:

2008 election results (new window)

whistleridge: OneNutSaloon: d_lebowski: OneNutSaloon: "the GOP owns this state."

I know. In MN some of us refer to ND as East Idaho.

Sounds about right. These people would vote for Hitler if he had an R after his name.

/Now there's a godwin we can believe in.

Actually, the election results (for President, at least) would seem to imply that South Dakota is actually worse, and that ND tended to vote much more Democrat in this past election:

2008 election results (new window)

Not for the legislative races.

AndEhBus: Also being a resident of North Dakota I can attest to the fact that many of the Democrats in our state are falling over themselves trying to spend this money.

Hey dipshiat, do you want your property taxes to keep skyrocketing? Or how about college tuition? Life is going to be great in 5 years when half of our state will be retired and not paying taxes. And penny pinchers still won't buy kids textbooks.

OneNutSaloon: Sounds about right. These people would vote for Hitler if he had an R after his name.

They haven't had a Republican Senator for 20 years, or a Republican in the House for 30 years. But I'm sure your new-found approval means a lot to them.

Wolf Blitzer is a Substitute Teacher: Postal Penguin: That $1.2 billion should be returned to the taxpayers immediately. Otherwise, the politicians will get a little bit more loose with their budget saying "Oh we have the surplus to fall back on if it goes over budget" and next year they will be $1.2 billion in the hole.

That was George Bush's thinking. Sure could use that Clinton surplus now.

Why not just call it the Newt Gingrich surplus as prior to 1995 the Clinton Adminstration was forcasting budget deficits till 2000?

A state with 16 people in it had a $1.6 billion surplus? That's amazing! Snow must be the new oil.

/I keed
//still very impressive

DinsdalePiranha: OneNutSaloon: Sounds about right. These people would vote for Hitler if he had an R after his name.

They haven't had a Republican Senator for 20 years, or a Republican in the House for 30 years. But I'm sure your new-found approval means a lot to them.

And the dems have had the state house for about 4 years out of the past 80. All but one of the state wide offices is held by a republican. And the governor's office has been republican about 75% of the time since statehood.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: See that's the thing I never got. All the coastal states complain that the flyover states pay less than they receive, failing to note that they grow all the goddamn food and raise all the livestock.

Texas grows a lot of food and livestock and we only get .94 out of every 1.00$,
We are the only damn non welfare red state, go Tejas!

OneNutSaloon: And the dems have had the state house for about 4 years out of the past 80. All but one of the state wide offices is held by a republican. And the governor's office has been republican about 75% of the time since statehood.

North Dakota is hugely liberal when it comes to Federal payouts and hugely conservative when it comes to social issues.

They know who butters their farm subsidies, but they also don't much care fer the coloreds and them ho-mo-sexshuls.

Still, I'm glad it's where I grew up, even if the politics are bi-polar.

Podna: Texas grows a lot of food and livestock and we only get .94 out of every 1.00$,
We are the only damn non welfare red state, go Tejas!

True but Texas also has many major ports, almost all the oil ports, refineries, etc. etc. Countless tech industries, goes on and on.

Bit different for them, but still true about food and livestock.

absoluteparanoia: MentalMoment: North Dakota taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid than the average state. They rank 6 nationwide.

That's because they make all your food. Two words: Food subsidies.

Yeah, except not really.

First data I found was the 1997 US Agricultural Census:

Entire corn belt agricultural production: $26 billion

Top five states by agricultural production:
California: $19 billion
Iowa: $9 billion
Nebraska: $8.6 billion
Texas: $8.3 billion
Kansas: $6.9 billion

Then down a little further:
Washington State: $3.4 billion
Pennsylvania: $2.8 billion
New York State: $2.5 billion
North Dakota: $2.5 billion

So the whole "red states grow all the food" proposition is not exactly true. Red state total agricultural export is probably significantly higher than blue state total ag export, but please stop pretending there are no farms in the blue states.

snowjack: So the whole "red states grow all the food" proposition is not exactly true. Red state total agricultural export is probably significantly higher than blue state total ag export, but please stop pretending there are no farms in the blue states.

North Dakota is not a solidly red state.

OneNutSaloon: AndEhBus: Also being a resident of North Dakota I can attest to the fact that many of the Democrats in our state are falling over themselves trying to spend this money.

Hey dipshiat, do you want your property taxes to keep skyrocketing? Or how about college tuition? Life is going to be great in 5 years when half of our state will be retired and not paying taxes. And penny pinchers still won't buy kids textbooks.


You certainly have a way with the electorate. You say you ran for the legislature and lost? I find that hard to believe.

absoluteparanoia: North Dakota is not a solidly red state.

OK. How does that address my argument? It's wrong to claim that North Dakota "grows all the food." It's also wrong to claim that "red states grow all the food." Those were really the only points I was making.

Polly Ester: OneNutSaloon: AndEhBus: Also being a resident of North Dakota I can attest to the fact that many of the Democrats in our state are falling over themselves trying to spend this money.

Hey dipshiat, do you want your property taxes to keep skyrocketing? Or how about college tuition? Life is going to be great in 5 years when half of our state will be retired and not paying taxes. And penny pinchers still won't buy kids textbooks.


You certainly have a way with the electorate. You say you ran for the legislature and lost? I find that hard to believe.

It's just him. I should really just put him on iggy.

State1997 Ag productionRatio Fed Spending/Taxes

California: $19 billion
Iowa: $9 billion
Nebraska: $8.6 billion
Texas: $8.3 billion
Kansas: $6.9 billion
Washington State: $3.4 billion
Pennsylvania: $2.8 billion
New York State: $2.5 billion
North Dakota: $2.5 billion

OneNutSaloon: Polly Ester: OneNutSaloon: AndEhBus: Also being a resident of North Dakota I can attest to the fact that many of the Democrats in our state are falling over themselves trying to spend this money.

Hey dipshiat, do you want your property taxes to keep skyrocketing? Or how about college tuition? Life is going to be great in 5 years when half of our state will be retired and not paying taxes. And penny pinchers still won't buy kids textbooks.


You certainly have a way with the electorate. You say you ran for the legislature and lost? I find that hard to believe.

It's just him. I should really just put him on iggy.

Just kiss a few more babies and this whole "hey dipshiat" scandal will be forgotten.