Uh. Good?

I wanted to give this DNA to a prostitute. Unfair.

I thought we decided that Fark would drop "douche" and all it's variations in favor of "penis wrinkle"?

Court says DNA database violates privacy

Yup. But good luck trying to keep that one in its cage.

This is what happens when you give anti-terrorism hand-me-down technology to Law Enforcement.

I'm sure they'll come up with some other way to collect a DNA database before long.

It's a lot worse than the article states. They even take DNA from witnesses to crimes, including children, and store in their database.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I thought we decided that Fark would drop "douche" and all it's variations in favor of "penis wrinkle"?

Penis wrinkle is too long winded. I can be arsed to use that in place of my extensive "douche" vocabulary. I never agreed to this. I want to see the manager.

If you put "A", after the D in DNA, you get DANA. Which is the first name of Scully. She works with Mulder who works on the X-Files to uncover alien conspiracy's.. I don't know where the hell I'm going with this....
/DNA read the full article
//21 days until Christmas
///will shut up now

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: There's little in this world I hate more than the phrase "Nanny State".

That being said, this is a stupid law, and I approve of the ruling. Innocent people should not be treated like criminals.

Farkwaddle: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I thought we decided that Fark would drop "douche" and all it's variations in favor of "penis wrinkle"?

Penis wrinkle is too long winded. I can be arsed to use that in place of my extensive "douche" vocabulary. I never agreed to this. I want to see the manager.

*can't

/facepalm. apply directly to the forehead.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I thought we decided that Fark would drop "douche" and all it's variations in favor of "penis wrinkle"?

Penis wrinkle nozzle?

... Ew?

Walker: It's a lot worse than the article states. They even take DNA from witnesses to crimes, including children, and store in their database.

Err, No, they don't. They take it from anyone who is arrested. For the record, most Brits who don't read the Daily Mail also agree wholeheartedly with the European Court that the DNA of people who are arrested by not convicted should not be kept.

haha! England has to answer to courts above their highest courts.

Did anyone click on the link to side on "male bras" in Japan?

Worth a click. If seeing Japanese dudes in leather bras is SFW....

mungo: Walker: It's a lot worse than the article states. They even take DNA from witnesses to crimes, including children, and store in their database.

Err, No, they don't. They take it from anyone who is arrested. For the record, most Brits who don't read the Daily Mail also agree wholeheartedly with the European Court that the DNA of people who are arrested by not convicted should not be kept.

Is the Daily Mail for or against collection DNA? Did their desire to lock up all chavs and working class layabouts indefinitely triumph over their need to be outraged by the Labour government?

Headso: haha! England has to answer to courts above their highest courts.

That seems to make sense if the country is violating human rights stipulations that they helped put into place....

Walker: It's a lot worse than the article states. They even take DNA from witnesses to crimes, including children, and store in their database.

Pssst. It's for the LifeShip they're going to send into outer space when the nuclear winter happens and Earth can no longer sustain life.

/they're gonna shoot it through a black hole into another dimension
//god I love that Universe show

Is douche nozzle really that bad of a thing in comparison to the family of douchisms?

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I thought we decided that Fark would drop "douche" and all it's variations in favor of "penis wrinkle"?

jrhonea: Is douche nozzle really that bad of a thing in comparison to the family of douchisms?

It has a zippier ring to it, I'd say.

Which is worse a douchebag or a douchenozzle?

Given the tone in this thread, I will need a sample of everyone's DNA. Thank you for your cooperation.

Bad_Seed:

Is the Daily Mail for or against collection DNA? Did their desire to lock up all chavs and working class layabouts indefinitely triumph over their need to be outraged by the Labour government?

You're a Brit, aren't you? I can tell from the cheeky slang, the way you spell Labor, and from seeing a few Brits in my time.

/aaaannnddd your profile, too, but that ruins the fun
//whut does chavs mean?

I don't see why the rules for DNA as evidence should be any different from the rules for fingerprints as evidence. That being said, my fingerprints are on file from military service; I was never accused of any crime, but if I ever am, my fingerprints could be checked.

OozoSoozo: Bad_Seed:

Is the Daily Mail for or against collection DNA? Did their desire to lock up all chavs and working class layabouts indefinitely triumph over their need to be outraged by the Labour government?

You're a Brit, aren't you? I can tell from the cheeky slang, the way you spell Labor, and from seeing a few Brits in my time.


//whut does chavs mean?

I don't know if this video is any good or not, but it might give you an idea.

blicero: Given the tone in this thread, I will need a sample of everyone's DNA. Thank you for your cooperation.

Go get it from your mom, I already gave her a sample last night. Several, in fact.

"Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was disappointed by the ruling.

"DNA and fingerprinting is vital to the fight against crime, providing the police with more than 3,500 matches a month ... "

It's really time to start taking those DNA samples at birth, start getting them from all the kids in school, and requiring ID tattoos on the buttock.

It's for the children, you know.

they should just stick to the sperm database.

If you are convicted sure, keep the DNA. If arressted only, um, innocent until proven guilty?

I think that's still the way it works.

Bad_Seed:

I don't know if this video is any good or not, but it might give you an idea.

HEY I'M NOT A DUMMIE.

That video was awesome. Thank you. A chav is roughly the British equivalent of a wigger.

/would use a different term if I knew one, but it fits so well.

SphericalTime: Uh. Good?

Yes, it is good. The penis wrinkles in the UK government got told. More still needs to be done, but it's a good start.

Headso: haha! England has to answer to courts above their highest courts.

you just now noticed this?

OozoSoozo: Bad_Seed:

Is the Daily Mail for or against collection DNA? Did their desire to lock up all chavs and working class layabouts indefinitely triumph over their need to be outraged by the Labour government?

You're a Brit, aren't you? I can tell from the cheeky slang, the way you spell Labor, and from seeing a few Brits in my time.

/aaaannnddd your profile, too, but that ruins the fun
//whut does chavs mean?

a chave is sort of like a British guido.

Bucky Katt: OozoSoozo: Bad_Seed:

Is the Daily Mail for or against collection DNA? Did their desire to lock up all chavs and working class layabouts indefinitely triumph over their need to be outraged by the Labour government?

You're a Brit, aren't you? I can tell from the cheeky slang, the way you spell Labor, and from seeing a few Brits in my time.

/aaaannnddd your profile, too, but that ruins the fun
//whut does chavs mean?

a chave is sort of like a British guido.

er, chavs too

bonzeemer: If you put "A", after the D in DNA, you get DANA. Which is the first name of Scully. She works with Mulder who works on the X-Files to uncover alien conspiracies. The gov't often interferes with their investigations and is covering something up, obviously collusion with the aliens. The aliens, being more advanced than we are, have forced the gov't to begin a DNA database to catalog the whole human race. The only question is why...

/fixed because they're out there

Subby, I think the term you require is "police state".

A nanny state is where the government tries to protect you from yourself and the wicked world at large. A police state is where the government treats its citizens as criminals or potential criminals.

Of course the UK (among others) qualifies on both counts, but in this case it is "police state" which would apply.

If arressted only, um, innocent until proven guilty? I think that's still the way it works.

Not so. When arrested, they still get your fingerprints (at least in the U.S.), which is the equivalent of DNA.

the innocent have nothing to fear. that is all.

I coined "douchewank" and I'm sticking to it.

Good

UNC_Samurai

I coined "douchewank" and I'm sticking to sticky from it.

FIFY

bmihura:

Not so. When arrested, they still get your fingerprints (at least in the U.S.), which is the equivalent of DNA.

I think as technology improves the collection of DNA will become more of an invasion of privacy than fingerprinting. Probably something along the lines of Gattaca: at some point, people will be able to take your DNA and figure out things about you that you would rather them not know. And they'll have all this DNA stored, sitting around, gathered a bit ago but not enough of a bit ago for those people it was gathered from to be dedd yet.

How exactly is this cool?

Think of how many criminals would be on the street today if we hadn't been collecting fingerprints when someone was arrested for the last 100 years. How is collecting DNA any worse than collecting fingerprints?

If it is effectively the same thing as finger printing then shouldn't the UK remove all finger print records for people who were not convicted as well? What about civil servant records? Military records for people who have left the service? Where does the right to keep records on citizens stop, and WTF is the harm of doing it and the benefit of not doing it? I ask because the courts decision, as described in the article, really didn't give a good reason, and I really don't see how it is a violation of a persons human rights for their government to store basic identification information about them.

The complaints themselves were pretty stupid. How does the police having your records cast suspicion on you? Because they search a database you happen to be in? That is NOT SUSPICION, that is freaking data mining to solve a valid criminal case. What about automobile registration? That is a database with your personal information and every time there is a description available of a vehicle involved in an illegal act that database is searched, meaning it casts just as much suspicion on you as a search of the fingerprint database does. The basis of their argument was horribly flawed and the final decision was to.

In addition, if the basis of the removal from the database is that it casts "suspicion" on you then shouldn't we remove convicted criminals from the database once they have served their time in prison? After all, why should suspicion be cast on them? Oh, that is right, being in a database does not cast suspicion on you. Committing crimes and leaving behind finger prints and DNA is what casts suspicion on you. The database is simply used to identify you a little faster.

FTA: Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was disappointed by the ruling.

"DNA and fingerprinting is vital to the fight against crime, providing the police with more than 3,500 matches a month ... The existing law will remain in place while we carefully consider the judgement," she said.

The storage of INNOCENT people's DNA and fingerprints is vital for the fight against crime? Uh, what?

TheGreyPiper: It's really time to start taking those DNA samples at birth, start getting them from all the kids in school, and requiring ID tattoos on the buttock.

It's for the children, you know.

You say that like it's a joke. None of that looks too unlikely if you live in Britain these days.

This article is about a police state, not a nanny state. They aren't using the database to screen for genetic disease.

Redscum: The storage of INNOCENT people's DNA and fingerprints is vital for the fight against crime? Uh, what?

The innocent have to be treated exactly the same as criminals, no favoritism in the great UK.

As it's been said before, 1984 was a warning, not a playbook

whidbey: Court says DNA database violates privacy

Yup. But good luck trying to keep that one in its cage.

This is what happens when you give anti-terrorism hand-me-down technology anything to Law Enforcement.

arentol: Fingerprints can not be transferred, at least not easily. DNA can be replicated and transferred to objects at a later date. It is for this reason it is a conflict of interest for forensic testing to be conducted by and for criminal prosecution.

Fingerprints taken by the DMV for a drivers license or an ID card is another matter. The state of Texas takes a thumb print. I don't know if they use that thumb print in a criminal database. From what I understand in order to do a database fingerprint search you need two index prints to be accurate. I don't know if this is true though, and I don't know if states use DMV records to use in criminal investigations.

What kind of douchehammer still uses variants of douchebag?