Except the judge rejected that argument and sentenced him to the same 22 years. Way to not read the article.

lexnaturalis: Except the judge rejected that argument and sentenced him to the same 22 years. Way to not read the article.

And we're done here.

i think at some point he is just out of the loop and has no idea what the 'terrorists' are supposedly up to any more. unless of course they just want him to make shiat up

Dead for Tax Reasons: unless of course they just want him to make shiat up

That's what torture's for.

Dead for Tax Reasons: unless of course they just want him to make shiat up

But he's a terrorist, see? Which means he has a terrorist's mind.

This is what libs don't get. They get all whiny and up in arms with their torture doesn't work this and people will say anything under torture that, and they forget the bottom line: we're dealing with terrorist minds. Terrorist minds think terrorist thoughts. So what if he makes stuff up under torture? Somewhere out there in the world, other terrorists are making stuff up, too. They're making plans and picking targets and forming conspiracies all over the place. There, and there, and there. See? So if they're making stuff up in their minds, and we're torturing a bunch of terrorists who are making up stuff in their minds, eventually our tortured terrorists' made-up stuff will match the free terrorists' made-up stuff, and then! Then we'll have them.

Pocket Ninja: Then we'll have them.

Haha, one of the better things you've written in a couple weeks.

Step 5 Profit?

Works for me.

Sapper_Topo: Step 5 Profit?

Step 5: ???
Step 6: Profit

I don't see the problem with this.

Diogenes: Dead for Tax Reasons: unless of course they just want him to make shiat up

That's what torture waterboarding's for.

/fify, to be more specific :)

5) Feed terrorist cockmeat sammich.

Diogenes: Dead for Tax Reasons: unless of course they just want him to make shiat up

That's what torture's for.

That's scary. This is going to come back to haunt us all three fold.

just shoot him. What's he gonna do when he gets out in 22 years anyway? Work at Burger King?

boom, headshot.

Government lawyers started out the day seeking a 45-year sentence. But as Ressam accused investigators of pressuring him through mental duress into providing unreliable information against Al Qaeda suspects, prosecutors upped the ante to demand life in prison.

So because this man pointed out the flaws of your interrogation techniques you decided you wanted to make sure he died in prison seemingly to spite him? Were these government lawyers school yard bullies as kids?

And I'm suppose to feel bad for the terrorist?

You keep calling them terrorists as if you are terrified by them.
Just keep giving them what they want.

How about not calling them that? CAll them A-holes, and stop holding them. You don't coddle A-holes, you shoot them.

Look, we caught some A-hole trying to blow up LAX!
BOOM! Problem solved.

Set THAT kind of an example and you save a lot of time and money, Plus, they don't get the recognition they want as AWs.

TA-DA?
wheres the ta-da?

/is there no ta-da?

Subby DRTFA.

I want a program that moves these guys in next door to every hippie that wants them freed...

In other news, 22 years is considered a light sentence for government cooperation.

"Jump grasshopper jump"

/ Obscure Texas Aggie joke.

xtragrind: Subby DRTFA.

I want a program that moves these guys in next door to every hippie that wants them freed...

Even better, a pay per view special with proceeds going to the families of their victims. I envision some sort of gameshow like in 'The Running Man'.....

/maybe Burrito Supreme will come out of retirement

hienekenftw: And I'm suppose to feel bad for the terrorist?

I did think the article did a good job of presenting both sides. I can't say that I "feel sorry" for the guy, but it does seem like we shot ourselves in the foot. If you want someone to cooperate, you need to make sure they want to cooperate.

As far as the sentencing goes, FTA:

"He told the court today in front of the judge, 'I'm a terrorist, I'm trained as a terrorist, I'm going to do it again when I get out. . . . That's what I heard him say," Sullivan said.

when someone says that, what can you do? let him out?

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Diogenes: Dead for Tax Reasons: unless of course they just want him to make shiat up

That's what torture's for.

That's scary. This is going to come back to haunt us all three fold.

Our overall attitude of "do as we say, not as we do" is going to haunt us. Torture is just one component of that.

So is that yellow lab in the picture a terrorist? Why is that guy holding a 12-gauge to the dog's head? What did he do wrong?

Why cant we be nicer to the poor terrorist?

1) Arrest terrorist,
2) give terrorist light sentence in exchange for cooperation,
3) spend years interrogating and isolating terrorist to the point where he can no longer cooperate trying to get terrorist to live up to his end of the bargain,
4) ask judge to increase sentence because he is no longer cooperative didn't cooperate

Cut this guy a break, all he tried to do was kill a few hundred innocent people. What's the big deal?

hienekenftw: And I'm suppose to feel bad for the terrorist?

I think the biggest thing you should take away is the fact that this man in open court admitted that he made shiat up just to please the government and get a reprieve from the harsh interrogation techniques. In other words, they turned a singing canary into a parrot who just says anything to get a cracker.

wingedkat: "He told the court today in front of the judge, 'I'm a terrorist, I'm trained as a terrorist, I'm going to do it again when I get out. . . . That's what I heard him say," Sullivan said.

I read that as how the prosecutor interpreted his attitude in court. Not an actual statement from his lips.

xtragrind: Subby DRTFA.

I want a program that moves these guys in next door to every hippie that wants them freed...

To be fair, terrorists tend not to blow shiat up where they live, so having one next door wouldn't be so bad. Not as bad as living next door to a hippy anyway....

Ixly:
5) Feed terrorist cockmeat sammich.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Stay classy, Homeland Security.

He sure got our mayor at the time pretty skeert.

Dude canceled the Seattle Millenium Celebration...on an unfounded hunch.

Does anyone else think that they are plotting to shoot that dog with a shotgun?

If he has exhausted his intelligence value, why can't we take him behind the courthouse now and put a bullet in his head?

"He told the court today in front of the judge, 'I'm a terrorist, I'm trained as a terrorist, I'm going to do it again when I get out. . . . That's what I heard him say," Sullivan said.

Dude is way too career oriented.

Because People in power are Stupid: Does anyone else think that they are plotting to shoot that dog with a shotgun?

You beat me to it, I thought the dog was the terrorist.

Diogenes: Our overall attitude of "do as we say, not as we do" is going to haunt us. Torture is just one component of that.

The haunting has already begun. We supported dictators because they opposed communism and the USSR, and amid the ignorance, poverty, and oppression created by our dictator "allies", fanaticism arose and turned its sights on "the west".

I'm not saying that the acts of terrorists are our own fault, but we didn't help much.

Airfoilsguy: You beat me to it, I thought the dog was the terrorist.

See what sneaky bastards they are?!

lefande: If he has exhausted his intelligence value, why can't we take him behind the courthouse now and put a bullet in his head?

Should be out behind the chemical sheds.

wingedkat: Diogenes: Our overall attitude of "do as we say, not as we do" is going to haunt us. Torture is just one component of that.

The haunting has already begun. We supported dictators because they opposed communism and the USSR, and amid the ignorance, poverty, and oppression created by our dictator "allies", fanaticism arose and turned its sights on "the west".

I'm not saying that the acts of terrorists are our own fault, but we didn't help much.

Yep, another huge problem. We make expedient alliances without considering the long term consequences.

5) Write shiatty headline, 6) Submit to Fark

Step 5) Profit absent from the headline

Seinfreak: 5) Write shiatty headline, 6) Submit to Fark

meh. made me read the article to see if that's what really happened. that's the point, isn't it?

I can't wait until Obama takes office and FARK Liberals^tm forget how much they dislike the US's treatment of suspected terrorists after he does it the same way.

New interrogation technique:

vudukungfu: You keep calling them terrorists as if you are terrified by them.
Just keep giving them what they want.

How about not calling them that? CAll them A-holes, and stop holding them. You don't coddle A-holes, you shoot them.

Look, we caught some A-hole trying to blow up LAX!
BOOM! Problem solved.

Set THAT kind of an example and you save a lot of time and money, Plus, they don't get the recognition they want as AWs.

When I read this, I can't help but think of Fox News's crusade for a while that 'We shouldn't call them suicide bombers -- we should call them homicide bombers'. It's an attempt to change the debate by changing the language used to describe the subject. And of course, that's a common tactic. But it's an attempt to change the debate by using lousy language -- language that misses the point of what's going on.

Anyone who leaves a bomb in a public place is a homicide bomber. And a bomb is a very effective weapon of homicide. But if you're trying to plant a bomb and get away alive, that makes things difficult -- you have to use a timer that gives you enough time to get away but not enough time for your targets to wander away, you have find somewhere to hide the bomb so it won't be noticed until it goes off, etc. On the other hand, if you're willing to die, you just make a big bomb with a "push to explode" switch, hide it under bulky clothing, walk or run up to your target, and BOOM. So the "suicide" aspect of it is what makes the "bomber" part much more dangerous.

And in your case, there are plenty of assholes in the world. Most of them aren't even violent. Most of the ones who are violent don't have grand plans -- they just target a few people, usually people they have some preexisting beef with. And they usually don't form large groups, because, well, they're assholes. A terrorist is something completely different. A terrorist wants to change government or change society, and uses violence to terrorize the population into accepting their worldview. You deal with a terrorist differently than you deal with a random asshole.

bigmatty87: I can't wait until Obama takes office and FARK Liberalstm forget how much they dislike the US's treatment of suspected terrorists after he does it the same way.

I would be even more angry and ashamed at Obama's administration for ignoring Geneva convention and using torture than I was with Bush's administration.

KickahaOta: vudukungfu: You keep calling them terrorists as if you are terrified by them.
Just keep giving them what they want.

How about not calling them that? CAll them A-holes, and stop holding them. You don't coddle A-holes, you shoot them.

Look, we caught some A-hole trying to blow up LAX!
BOOM! Problem solved.

Set THAT kind of an example and you save a lot of time and money, Plus, they don't get the recognition they want as AWs.

When I read this, I can't help but think of Fox News's crusade for a while that 'We shouldn't call them suicide bombers -- we should call them homicide bombers'. It's an attempt to change the debate by changing the language used to describe the subject. And of course, that's a common tactic. But it's an attempt to change the debate by using lousy language -- language that misses the point of what's going on.

Anyone who leaves a bomb in a public place is a homicide bomber. And a bomb is a very effective weapon of homicide. But if you're trying to plant a bomb and get away alive, that makes things difficult -- you have to use a timer that gives you enough time to get away but not enough time for your targets to wander away, you have find somewhere to hide the bomb so it won't be noticed until it goes off, etc. On the other hand, if you're willing to die, you just make a big bomb with a "push to explode" switch, hide it under bulky clothing, walk or run up to your target, and BOOM. So the "suicide" aspect of it is what makes the "bomber" part much more dangerous.

And in your case, there are plenty of assholes in the world. Most of them aren't even violent. Most of the ones who are violent don't have grand plans -- they just target a few people, usually people they have some preexisting beef with. And they usually don't form large groups, because, well, they're assholes. A terrorist is something completely different. A terrorist wants to change government or change society, and uses violence to terrorize the population into accepting their worldview. You deal with a terrorist differently than you deal with a random asshole.

See we're dicks, and you guys are pussies, so your afraid of dicks, cause dicks fark pussies. We dicks somtimes fark asshole too. So get out of the way and let me fark this asshole.

wingedkat: bigmatty87: I can't wait until Obama takes office and FARK Liberalstm forget how much they dislike the US's treatment of suspected terrorists after he does it the same way.

I would be even more angry and ashamed at Obama's administration for ignoring Geneva convention and using torture than I was with Bush's administration.

Seconded.

He said he'd try it again when he gets out.
Kill his dumb ass.