I'm not as angry about it being a taxpayer-funded Christian symbol as I am about it being an eyesore.

Jesus loves a flashy display to celebrate his birthday. I'm incorporating a siren that goes off every 3 minutes and fireworks at midnight into my Christmas decorations. Hopefully my neighbors won't mind if I take some of their stuff and sell it to help cover the costs.

Mordant: Jesus loves a flashy display to celebrate his birthday. I'm incorporating a siren that goes off every 3 minutes and fireworks at midnight into my Christmas decorations. Hopefully my neighbors won't mind if I take some of their stuff and sell it to help cover the costs.

Good man. Because didn't Jesus say, "Strut your stuff before the masses, lest you be ignored"?

Let the bible thumpings continue :)

The ACLU has problems with 404 pages, too.

Way to go ACLU. What a buzzkill.

Good.

The next salvo in the war on Christmasour rights, and taste.

Tacky!!!

/The cross, not the ACLU

Anti
Christian
Losers
Unite

GratuityIncluded: Way to go ACLU. What a buzzkill.

because nothing says 'awesome' like a pretentious eyesore.

I feel much safer now that the ACLU has saved us from blinky lights. We almost had a constitutional crisis there.

Running scared from the ACLU. What a bunch of p*ssies. Jesus will remember it.

That damn Congress, establishing a flashy, state-sponsored religion again. You go girl ACLU.

St_Francis_P: Mordant: Jesus loves a flashy display to celebrate his birthday. I'm incorporating a siren that goes off every 3 minutes and fireworks at midnight into my Christmas decorations. Hopefully my neighbors won't mind if I take some of their stuff and sell it to help cover the costs.

Good man. Because didn't Jesus say, "Strut your stuff before the masses, lest you be ignored"?

I think his word was, "The man that has the biggest, most garish symbol of the instrument of torture that causes my death will get the biggest mansion in my father's kingdom... and 72 virgins."

Richard Saunders: Anti
Christian
Losers
Unite

So, is that a troll or just a really lame joke?

Mordant: Jesus loves a flashy display to celebrate his birthday. I'm incorporating a siren that goes off every 3 minutes and fireworks at midnight into my Christmas decorations. Hopefully my neighbors won't mind if I take some of their stuff and sell it to help cover the costs.

What's even funnier is that the Cross is actually a display of his death. I don't get it, are Christians really Goth? You wouldn't remember a relative that passed away by putting a picture of his tombstone on your wall. Yet a cross for Jesus is fine. Kinda an awkward symbol (and I believe symbols are graven images to begin with).

From TFA:

And, said Zabbia, "The law is the law. It doesn't make sense to fight something you're not going to win."

So, Jesus says it is OK to break the law until you can't get away with it?

BLR: St_Francis_P: Mordant: Jesus loves a flashy display to celebrate his birthday. I'm incorporating a siren that goes off every 3 minutes and fireworks at midnight into my Christmas decorations. Hopefully my neighbors won't mind if I take some of their stuff and sell it to help cover the costs.

Good man. Because didn't Jesus say, "Strut your stuff before the masses, lest you be ignored"?

I think his word was, "The man that has the biggest, most garish symbol of the instrument of torture that causes my death will get the biggest mansion in my father's kingdom... and 72 virgins."

"And make sure everyone in my creation sees what a pious individual you are and how you love me more than everyone else, because we both need that kind of validation."

The ACLU fought for the Westboro Baptist Church and Shirley Phelps-Roper after legislation prevented the group from picketing outside of veterans' funerals.

GO ACLU!

Ah, the tyranny of the minority.

The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

Farking Zardwarks: GratuityIncluded: Way to go ACLU. What a buzzkill.

because nothing says 'awesome' like a pretentious eyesore.

Merry Christmas!!

TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

FACT: You are about to get your ass handed to you...

Farking Zardwarks: BLR: St_Francis_P: Mordant: Jesus loves a flashy display to celebrate his birthday. I'm incorporating a siren that goes off every 3 minutes and fireworks at midnight into my Christmas decorations. Hopefully my neighbors won't mind if I take some of their stuff and sell it to help cover the costs.

Good man. Because didn't Jesus say, "Strut your stuff before the masses, lest you be ignored"?

I think his word was, "The man that has the biggest, most garish symbol of the instrument of torture that causes my death will get the biggest mansion in my father's kingdom... and 72 virgins."

"And make sure everyone in my creation sees what a pious individual you are and how you love me more than everyone else, because we both need that kind of validation."

"Oh, and t3h gays suxx0r."

I believe that's Matthew Chapter 13 in full right there.

skinink: What's even funnier is that the Cross is actually a display of his death. I don't get it, are Christians really Goth? You wouldn't remember a relative that passed away by putting a picture of his tombstone on your wall. Yet a cross for Jesus is fine. Kinda an awkward symbol (and I believe symbols are graven images to begin with).

Um, to Christians the death is what made Jesus their hero - dying for their sins and all that.

Farking Zardwarks: FACT: You are about to get your ass handed to you...

This!

GratuityIncluded: Farking Zardwarks: GratuityIncluded: Way to go ACLU. What a buzzkill.

because nothing says 'awesome' like a pretentious eyesore.

Merry Christmas!!

Happy Laundry Day!

TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

Wow. Um. Hopefully this will mean something coming from me, but I doubt it. Here goes anyway...

Fark you.

I thought Hitler was a believer in the Occult? At least that's what the History Channel always plays. That's not secular.

Farking Zardwarks: TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

FACT: You are about to get your ass handed to you...

FACT: Your sarcasm detector is broken.

TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

2/10

It's a Streetlight: Farking Zardwarks: TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

FACT: You are about to get your ass handed to you...

FACT: Your sarcasm detector is broken.

CONJECTURE: You might be right...
/still working on my coffee

TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

I read your profile, you can't fool me! However, for a minute I thought you were Bevet's little brother...

TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.


Ben Franklin:

About March 1, 1790, [Franklin] wrote the following in a letter to Ezra Stiles, president of Yale, who had asked him his views on religion...:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble...." (Carl Van Doren. Benjamin Franklin. New York: The Viking Press, 1938, p. 777.)

Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


Too easy...

TheChemist: The ACLU is a...


Well played, good sir.

skinink: What's even funnier is that the Cross is actually a display of his death. I don't get it, are Christians really Goth? You wouldn't remember a relative that passed away by putting a picture of his tombstone on your wall. Yet a cross for Jesus is fine. Kinda an awkward symbol (and I believe symbols are graven images to begin with).

If you are really intersted in "getting it", let me try...

Not a symbol of his death so much as a symbol of his triumph. (I suppose it would be technically more accurate to use an empty tomb, but that's kind of hard to fit on a chain/t-shirt/bumpersticker/etc.)

Consider this (not trying to get into an argument about whose right or wrong here, just helping you understand) the position is that all of humanity is condemned, and that at one moment in time one sacrifice is made that pays the penalty for all of it, followed 3 days later by the ultimate conquest of death and the grave. The cross is a pretty simple symbol of all of that. And...graven image? Not hardly in the context of the ten commandments (well, I suppose there could be people who literally worship the cross)...but that's generally not the point of it. It's point is to serve a simple reminder of what happened 2000 years ago. In much the same way that the altars that Abraham built across the desert were ment to function...not as items to worship, but items to make you remember. Ala all of the farkin memorial in D.C.

It's a Streetlight: Farking Zardwarks: TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

FACT: You are about to get your ass handed to you...

FACT: Your sarcasm detector is broken.

Yep. Methinks TheChemist is having us on.

TheChemist

Fact: I've seen you being reasonable to often to take any notice of this.

I remember when the ACLU had so little money that they had to choose important battles to fight.

I'll bite!

According to the Founding Fathers, in a document signed by George Washington, the United States is "...in no way a Christian nation".

So I guess you can disagree with the founders, but you will have to stop claiming they support your argument. Unless you don't care about being demonstrably wrong.

Bob55: I thought Hitler was a believer in the Occult? At least that's what the History Channel always plays. That's not secular.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

ha-ha-guy: yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

Yeah, yeah, well, uh, ok, you know who advanced us towards uniformity? Secularist Hitler that's who!

/farking blue eyed aryans and their uniforms.
//jewish
///Yay ACLU!

I'm not a fan of the government glorifying an tortuous execution method.

I don't ever get that. It's as if the entire christiandom ignores the story regarding the garden of Gethsemane.

It's one thing to be executed, it's another to CHOOSE to atone.

To each their own, to ignore logic and obfusticate stories to serve their purpose.

/ All churches is corrupt.
// Agnostic. That means a WORLD of difference than atheists, to you ignorant theist.

I particularly like items 3 and 4, which contradict each other (unless he means the 1760's).

I'd say 8/10, for obviousness.

I actually wouldn't have much against it except for that "taxpayer-funded" part.

soy_bomb: I feel much safer now that the ACLU has saved us from blinky lights. We almost had a constitutional crisis there.

I suppose you wait for your engine to seize before checking the oil in your car....

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I actually wouldn't have much against it except for that "taxpayer-funded" part.

And neither would the ACLU....

FACT:


PEOPLE WHO READ HISTORY BOOKS ARE LESS LIKELY TO SAY SOMETHING STUPID AND FALSE ON AN INTERNET FORUM


Founding fathers all "Christians" and this country founded on religion?

....beyond ignorant fail.


The ACLU's agenda is stamping out fascism.
Pure and simple.
Somebody complained---ACLU went into action.
It could have just as easily been a Star of David or a Satanic goat head.

....remember assholes,the ACLU put "Guns and Ammo" back on the magazine racks a few years ago when it got illegally banned.

TheChemist: The ACLU is a bunch of farking anti-religion wingnuts.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
FACT: Hitler was a secularist.

But, this is Fark, so I don't expect any of you to know these things.

I will pray for you all.

FACT: This country was founded on religion.
Not a specific one. Additionally, the country specified separation of church and state. Even the founding fathers agreed.

FACT: The founding fathers were Christians.
Some not so good. Look up Jefferson. Additionally, Benjamin Franklin had an annoying tendacy to cheat.

FACT: Secularism has only been invented in the sixties.
Nope. Always been around. Just not safe enough to declare so. It's not just christians thrown to the lions. Even today, it's sometimes not safe.

FACT: Hitler was a secularist.
He was raised as catholic and don't godwin. One of his famous quotes was:
""Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.""

Also:


/ Do you really believe all what you said?? seriously?