When they stop having buttsecks with the altar boys and stop trying to cover it up then I might give these a$$holes some credibility.

Hey Priesty, the Catholic Church considers the death penalty murder, too. So I hope you've got equal condemnation for pro-death penalty voters.

teto85: When they stop having buttsecks with the altar boys and stop trying to cover it up then I might give these a$$holes some credibility.

I think we're done here.

If God hates Obama so much, let Him/Her/It take care of it ;)

Sounds like somebody doesn't appreciate his tax-free status enough.

FloydA: Sounds like somebody doesn't appreciate his tax-free status enough.

He might appreciate it more if it were taken away. Somebody needs a teachin'.

While I can understand the whole "practice what you preach" and that you're not supposed to be able to pick and choose what you uphold, but they can't really throw too many stones when they live in a glass house.

SpinStopper: If God hates Obama so much, let Him/Her/It take care of it ;)

but then what would the busybodies who can't mind their own business do?

Bullshiat like this is just one of many reasons I left the Catholic Church.

So if you're Catholic AND voted for Obama I guess you'll just have to take your business (and donation money) over to the nearest Episcopal Church.

lajimi: So if you're Catholic AND voted for Obama I guess you'll just have to take your business (and donation money) over to the nearest Episcopal Church.

...unless you voted yes on Prop 8, in which case, the Bishop might have some stern words for you.

Priest tells parishoners that they are just as racist as he is if they believe they have committed a mortal sin if they voted for Obama.

Fixed that.

I thought Palin said that God's will would be expressed on election day. I think he was pretty clear on his thoughts.

bulldg4life: I thought Palin said that God's will would be expressed on election day. I think he was pretty clear on his thoughts.

I dunno.... he only got the majority of voters, the majority of states, and shortly the majority of the electors. It's not like he has a mandate or anything...

hrm.

on one hand, voting for a candidate who supports abortion is a cardinal sin and i'm damned to hell if he gets into office.

----however----

the other candidate has a long track record of greed, corruption and certainly seems to support government backed torture of enemies of the state. All of which are clearly sins in the eyes of God. So voting for that guy is out of the question as well.

tis quite the quandry indeed. thanks guys, that really helped.

BuckTurgidson: Tax

All

Churches

Now

I like how that makes an inverted cross. Would be a good title for Slayer's next album.

/forgot what I came in here to say

Why didn't he warn them BEFORE the election?

Weaver95: hrm.

on one hand, voting for a candidate who supports abortion is a cardinal sin and i'm damned to hell if he gets into office.

----however----

the other candidate has a long track record of greed, corruption and certainly seems to support government backed torture of enemies of the state. All of which are clearly sins in the eyes of God. So voting for that guy is out of the question as well.

tis quite the quandry indeed. thanks guys, that really helped.

What Would Nader Do?

:sigh: I hope said priest didn't fark someone and impregnated said someone. Less stupids out of the gene pool.

/man-preg?

The stupid never stops, does it?

if you tax churches, you remove the only incentive for them to shut up

Falcc: What Would Nader Do?

Lose. It's his thing.

I can't wait until Freedom of Choice Act is passed and signed into law. It will take abortion off the hot button issue list indefinitely.


Anti-abortion is not in the FARKING BIBLE you shiat heads.

This thread promises to be epic.

Ed Grubermann: The stupid never stops, does it?

No. No it doesn't.

What the fark is going on in American churches these days? I haven't been to a service in 20+ years but damn, as the headline suggests, this is not an isolated incident.

avalanche: Bullshiat like this is just one of many reasons I left the Catholic Church.

Bullshiat like this is one of the many reasons I hate organized religion.

/That, and the blatant hypocrisy

Aren't these the same bozos that claim that someone only becomes president if it's Gods will?

/Obama is the next president, guess it's Gods will then

DigitalCoffee: Aren't these the same bozos that claim that someone only becomes president if it's Gods will?

/Obama is the next president, guess it's Gods will then

I'm getting the sense that it's only God's will if things go as they want. If it goes against what they want then obviously Satan did it to test them.

stebain: if you tax churches, you remove the only incentive for them to shut up

It certainly has not made them shut up yet, so I suspect its not that effective a deterrent. I heard a church-talky guy on the radio, shortly before the election, saying 'I'm going to endorse a candidate, and so what if they remove my tax exempt status we're a church we will get it back the next day'. Can anyone give me an example of a church that has actually HAD its tax exempt status revoked, ever?

Weaver95: hrm.

on one hand, voting for a candidate who supports abortion is a cardinal sin and i'm damned to hell if he gets into office.

----however----

the other candidate has a long track record of greed, corruption and certainly seems to support government backed torture of enemies of the state. All of which are clearly sins in the eyes of God. So voting for that guy is out of the question as well.

tis quite the quandry indeed. thanks guys, that really helped.

As a Catholic are you also supposed to vote against people who support unjust wars? WTF are you supposed to do? Looks like you are going to hell either way (funny that they have even mind-farked you into thinking abortion is THE cardinal sin).

Aar1012: Bullshiat like this is one of the many reasons I hate organized religion.

/That, and the blatant hypocrisy

This makes me say THIS.

Plus I don't believe in an invisible sky wizard.

Then he is clearly involved in politics and his church must be taxed.

Really, I am completely with BuckTurgidson on this - why the fark are churches tax-exempt anyway? Give them a tac break for independent charitable operations, and tax them just like any other corporation for their land, payroll, and (probably very healthy) profits.

Caiaphas would be proud.

BuckTurgidson: Tax

All

Churches

Now

And allow them to have ACTUAL representation on how this country is run? Not thanks. Remember with taxation comes representation. And the Christian church being the richest religion in this country would have a huge amount of representation if taxed. I have two words for you; Christian lobbyists.

Right now, you can simply ignore them because as loud as the Church can shout, it's all bark and no teeth as far as the government is concerned.

And-1: Then he is clearly involved in politics and his church must be taxed.

Really, I am completely with BuckTurgidson on this - why the fark are churches tax-exempt anyway? Give them a tac break for independent charitable operations, and tax them just like any other corporation for their land, payroll, and (probably very healthy) profits.

If they would STFU I am ok with them being tax-free. It has something to do with the church-state seperation. If they get political I don't think taxation is enough. Charges should be brought (not sure if there are charges to be brought, though).

I'm all for tax exemption for churches -- it's equally beneficial for all involved. However, if you're running an obvious political organization under the guise of a church like these on-going stories imply, they should lose their exempt status immediately. You can't start a 527/PAC, throw a farking cross on your logo and watch your bank account rise.

mekki: BuckTurgidson: Tax

All

Churches

Now

And allow them to have ACTUAL representation on how this country is run? Not thanks. Remember with taxation comes representation. And the Christian church being the richest religion in this country would have a huge amount of representation if taxed. I have two words for you; Christian lobbyists.

Right now, you can simply ignore them because as loud as the Church can shout, it's all bark and no teeth as far as the government is concerned.

Agreed. There has to be a way to actually separate church and state.

mediaho: I'm all for tax exemption for churches -- it's equally beneficial for all involved. However, if you're running an obvious political organization under the guise of a church like these on-going stories imply, they should lose their exempt status immediately. You can't start a 527/PAC, throw a farking cross on your logo and watch your bank account rise.

No, they should not be allowed to do what they do. Tax-status isn't going to change it.

All night last night I defend and lo and behold one asshat rear's his head (See what I did there Grubberman :P) and wipes all my work away.

Though I never have said that *all* aspects of Christianity had attained Adult status, just some; this guy clearly is not among them.


/I still got Godbags you can't measure ya Heathen's!
//Though I did enjoy last nights thread, made the time at work fly by.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Aar1012: Bullshiat like this is one of the many reasons I hate organized religion.

/That, and the blatant hypocrisy

This makes me say THIS.

Plus I don't believe in an invisible sky wizard.

I don't think much on the invisible sky wizard, I more think of him as an invisible clock maker. He's just watching and occasionally comes in with the key to wind the gears (when that happens, shiat happens to people).

mekki: Christian lobbyists.

They already have those

And-1 Then he is clearly involved in politics and his church must be taxed.

Really, I am completely with BuckTurgidson on this - why the fark are churches tax-exempt anyway? Give them a tac break for independent charitable operations, and tax them just like any other corporation for their land, payroll, and (probably very healthy) profits.

When a church has an emergency, who comes to the rescue?
How do those emergency workers get paid?
Our tax money go to pay for the emergency workers.
Our money goes to help pay for a service that the church uses. This is totally a violation of separation of church and state.

Taxing, at MINIMUM, for their property would really help. Property taxes go to help schools, fire, police.

JohnnyC: Priest tells parishoners that they are just as racist as he is if they believe they have committed a mortal sin if they voted for Obama

Racism? Seriously? You're a farking idiot.

mekki And allow them to have ACTUAL representation on how this country is run? Not thanks. Remember with taxation comes representation. And the Christian church being the richest religion in this country would have a huge amount of representation if taxed. I have two words for you; Christian lobbyists.

Right now, you can simply ignore them because as loud as the Church can shout, it's all bark and no teeth as far as the government is concerned.


Those douches from Focus on the Family are an example Christian Lobbyist. They get their representation, so we should rightly tax them.

CanisNoir: All night last night I defend and lo and behold one asshat rear's his head (See what I did there Grubberman :P) and wipes all my work away.

Though I never have said that *all* aspects of Christianity had attained Adult status, just some; this guy clearly is not among them.


/I still got Godbags you can't measure ya Heathen's!
//Though I did enjoy last nights thread, made the time at work fly by.

Ahh CanisNoir, what took you so long?

lstywnch: I'm getting the sense that it's only God's will if things go as they want. If it goes against what they want then obviously Satan did it to test them.

nah, it's God's will if everything goes their way, but "God has a plan" if they lost a testicle.

FeedTheCollapse: lstywnch: I'm getting the sense that it's only God's will if things go as they want. If it goes against what they want then obviously Satan did it to test them.

nah, it's God's will if everything goes their way, but "God has a plan" if they lost a testicle.

Ah, thank you for the clarification.

Britney Spear's Speculum: When a church has an emergency, who comes to the rescue?
How do those emergency workers get paid?
Our tax money go to pay for the emergency workers.
Our money goes to help pay for a service that the church uses. This is totally a violation of separation of church and state.

I think there was a SCOTUS case that said it wasn't a violation of Church and State if parochial schools used city school buses. I think the reasoning there would apply to you situation, however I cannot say for sure since I don't have the case right in front of me.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Those douches from Focus on the Family are an example Christian Lobbyist. They get their representation, so we should rightly tax them.

In all honesty, I think it'd be fair to have them pay local property taxes or be able to demonstrate an equal amount of charitable giving to the local community.

I'd hate to see charity suffer for taxes, but I can understand and live with localities getting some benefit from a Church's location; either through taxes or charity towards it's citizens.

/It might actually cause cities to request more Churches and would help on the PR front some imho.