Even more obvious: He's the governor of Massatwosetts.

Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Nobody seems to understand that. Oregon is doing the same thing.

GaryPDX: Nobody seems to understand that. Oregon is doing the same thing.

Philly keeps raising taxes and decreasing services, and they just can't seem to figure out why everyone (save the drug dealers and welfare queens) is flooding out of town.

You think we would learn by now, yet we continue to allow politicians and mostly former lawyers make financial decisions despite their complete lack of financial training, experience or know how. Keep farking over your customers (taxpayers) and watch your business run away.

sullyman: You think we would learn by now, yet we continue to allow politicians and mostly former lawyers make financial decisions despite their complete lack of financial training, experience or know how. Keep farking over your customers (taxpayers) and watch your business run away.

The attidude seems to be 'hey, I know we don't have any money, but if I give people good stuff then I ge re-elected! then I can raise taxes later to cover the short fall'.

The flip side of the coin is that everyone thinks 'entitlements' are bad...until it comes to THEIR entitlement. then it's not an entitlement, it's something they can't live without and everyone else is a bastard for yelling at them about it.

I know we don't have any money, but if I give people good stuff then I ge re-elected!

The result is that Massachusetts has spent its transportation agencies into structural multi-billion dollar debts by borrowing to meet routine expenses. MassHighway issues bonds to pay salaries. The MBTA is billions in debt and spends a big chunk of its budget on debt service. The Turnpike may have lost half a billion dollars betting on auction rate securities, on top of what it wasted on the Big Dig.

Some have asked for $20 billion over the next 20 years to fix the situation. Nothing is getting fixed without a change of attitude on Beacon Hill. They'll spend $5 billion of that on railroads that we don't need and $2 billion on more Big Dig cost overruns and so on.

Weaver95: Philly keeps raising taxes and decreasing services, and they just can't seem to figure out why everyone (save the drug dealers and welfare queens) is flooding out of town.

Keep doing it. North Dakota has done well over the last several years with a business friendly environment. We are developing our industry very well.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

well, the voters just voted NOT to repeal their state income tax, so i suppose they're fine with it.

My word.

It's not Blagojevich. I'm honestly shocked.

ZAZ: MassHighway issues bonds to pay salaries

Dude! That's twisted.

GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Nobody seems to understand that. Oregon is doing the same thing We elected Obama.

FTFY

hetheeme: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Nobody seems to understand that. Oregon is doing the same thing We elected Obama.

FTFY

Cause McCain was a financial genius and Palin was a well known economist? Please.

this is all part of the master democratic plan to send so many Mass residents to New Hampshire that we turn it blue. Guess it worked.

Democrate - Must raise taxes

Democrate - Must spend taxes


Republican - but thats the people's money


Democrate - Naw, Chairman Obama has a new plan, it called "redistribution", so in a way its not their money.

deval patrick is a very smart man, he understands that the money to pay off the big dig is not going to come from nowhere. taxes are necessary to pay for updated infrastructure.

Murphyr: My word.

It's not Blagojevich. I'm honestly shocked.

My bet was on NJ Governor Corzine. Who already floated the idea of a TREMENDOUS increase in Thruway and Parkway tolls. It was not well received.

Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

You have to read the comments under the link. Nobody in Mass is expecting this Governer to get relected with his tax and spend policy.

Except they are wrong, he will be loved for taxing everyone and spending it.

Ericwqfs: deval patrick is a very smart man, he understands that the money to pay off the big dig is not going to come from nowhere. taxes are necessary to pay for updated infrastructure.

Take your logic elsewhere elitist lib! We can cut taxes and spend money at the same time! Then we can just print more money to pay off our debt. God, you libs no nothing about monetery policy!

winterwhile: Democrate - Must raise taxes

Democrate - Must spend taxes


Republican - but thats the people's money


Democrate - Naw, Chairman Obama has a new plan, it called "redistribution", so in a way its not their money.

what a farking broken record. What's wrong...you forgot to post your dopey picture this time?

If the world could change through the power of whining, India and Pakistan would stand together holding hands while ready your posts. In the meantime, you're just another in a long line of tiny fist-clenching babies who can't turn that rage over not getting their way into anything other than a few snarky comments on a snarky web site. Stop whining and do something about it if you're unhappy that the Bush regime is leaving.

Pechorin: Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

I'm generally pretty liberal, but there are conservatives in Massachusetts. I think. The idea that "my party's in power so all opposition should shut the hell up" is what we've had for the last eight years, and I'm not a big fan of it.

/recently read a breakdown of taxes in Chicago
//is not buying anything ever again just because come the hell on.

RemyDuron: hetheeme: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Nobody seems to understand that. Oregon is doing the same thing We elected Obama.

FTFY

Cause McCain was a financial genius and Palin was a well known economist? Please.

Nope but general incompetence mixed with a almost assured total deadlock for 4 years is favorable to someone with a clear path to a plan that is destined ti hurt the US economy.

Weaver95: Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

It's myth that their taxes are unusually high. According to this source, Massachusetts' tax burden is just a tad below national average, or by rank, 23rd highest in tax burden, putting them pretty much average in terms of taxes. By contrast, they're 2nd in average household income. Hardly sounds like a dying economy.

As to why their revenue is low -- property tax is their #1 revenue source, with sales tax being #2. And this year, housing values have dropped and people aren't spending as much, meaning their two largest revenue sources took a hit.

winterwhile: You have to read the comments under the link. Nobody in Mass is expecting this Governer to get relected with his tax and spend policy.

Except they are wrong, he will be loved for taxing everyone and spending it.

you really are silly, the money was spent by past administrations(republicans), he is talking about paying off the debt that the state has accumulated from an exetremely large and expensive public works project. how would you go about paying off that debt?

Murphyr: Pechorin: Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

I'm generally pretty liberal, but there are conservatives in Massachusetts. I think. The idea that "my party's in power so all opposition should shut the hell up" is what we've had for the last eight years, and I'm not a big fan of it.

/recently read a breakdown of taxes in Chicago
//is not buying anything ever again just because come the hell on.

It's not about "my party is in power so the opposition needs to shut up." It's about the same people who have been wrong about everything for 8 years criticizing their opponents. Bush (and Republicans in general) cut taxes on the richest portion of the country and increase spending. This leads to large deficits. The Republicans wait until they lose office and a Democrat has to balance the budget. Republicans are so poor at running government that the only way they can win elections is to bring up boogey men like gay people in order to frighten the "Joe the Idiot" crowd.

Sum Dum Gai: Weaver95: Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

It's myth that their taxes are unusually high. According to this source, Massachusetts' tax burden is just a tad below national average, or by rank, 23rd highest in tax burden, putting them pretty much average in terms of taxes. By contrast, they're 2nd in average household income. Hardly sounds like a dying economy.

As to why their revenue is low -- property tax is their #1 revenue source, with sales tax being #2. And this year, housing values have dropped and people aren't spending as much, meaning their two largest revenue sources took a hit.

The Red State Bumpkins are simply jealous of the quality of life Blue Staters have. Laugh at them and insult them, don't debate them.

Murphyr: My word.

It's not Blagojevich. I'm honestly shocked.

I thought the same thing. Blago, I expect Blago to appoint himself senator. He is a douchebag.

There have been no tax cuts...only deferments as the deficit spirals out of control.

Unless you're gonna die soon, future-you is gonna pay... be it through increased taxes or inflation.

If there is a deficit, tax cuts are a lie.

Pechorin: Sum Dum Gai: Weaver95: Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

It's myth that their taxes are unusually high. According to this source, Massachusetts' tax burden is just a tad below national average, or by rank, 23rd highest in tax burden, putting them pretty much average in terms of taxes. By contrast, they're 2nd in average household income. Hardly sounds like a dying economy.

As to why their revenue is low -- property tax is their #1 revenue source, with sales tax being #2. And this year, housing values have dropped and people aren't spending as much, meaning their two largest revenue sources took a hit.

The Red State Bumpkins are simply jealous of the quality of life Blue Staters have. Laugh at them and insult them, don't debate them.

Yes I lived in downstate Illinois, Our roads are falling apart, we can't get tax breaks to add jobs, yep blue states rule. Kentucky, is doing fairly decent.

GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Do you two need to be alone?

hetheeme: RemyDuron: hetheeme: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Gas is cheap, must raise taxes.

Gas is expensive, must raise taxes. Ok look! rain! Must be time to raise taxes! hmm...sunny. tax hikes go over better when the sun is out. Every tuesday is TAX DAY in taxachusetts! yay!

Damned str8..:)

Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

Nobody seems to understand that. Oregon is doing the same thing We elected Obama.

FTFY

Cause McCain was a financial genius and Palin was a well known economist? Please.

Nope but general incompetence mixed with a almost assured total deadlock for 4 years is favorable to someone with a clear path to a plan that is destined ti hurt the US economy.

Bush and the Republican congress has driven things far right over the last 8 years. We need to push back. Then maybe deadlock would be a good idea, but dealock at a time like this is not good. I hope this governments policy takes a hard turn to the left. Then, once we've evened out and undone Bush's hamrful policies, then gridlock.

globalwarmingpraiser: Yes I lived in downstate Illinois, Our roads are falling apart, we can't get tax breaks to add jobs, yep blue states rule. Kentucky, is doing fairly decent.

From the site I linked earlier, Kentucky has a higher tax burden than Illinois, though only slightly.

Kentucky also ranks 47th in terms of average income and 44th in terms of per capita size of the economy. I'm not sure coming in near the bottom of the barrel in terms of key economic indicators is decent or not.

Kentucky does OK because of how much federal help it gets.

Pechorin: Murphyr: Pechorin: Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

I'm generally pretty liberal, but there are conservatives in Massachusetts. I think. The idea that "my party's in power so all opposition should shut the hell up" is what we've had for the last eight years, and I'm not a big fan of it.

/recently read a breakdown of taxes in Chicago
//is not buying anything ever again just because come the hell on.

It's not about "my party is in power so the opposition needs to shut up." It's about the same people who have been wrong about everything for 8 years criticizing their opponents. Bush (and Republicans in general) cut taxes on the richest portion of the country and increase spending. This leads to large deficits. The Republicans wait until they lose office and a Democrat has to balance the budget. Republicans are so poor at running government that the only way they can win elections is to bring up boogey men like gay people in order to frighten the "Joe the Idiot" crowd.

I generally agree. I just dislike the whole "red state/blue state" dichotomy.

globalwarmingpraiser: Pechorin: Sum Dum Gai: Weaver95: Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

It's myth that their taxes are unusually high. According to this source, Massachusetts' tax burden is just a tad below national average, or by rank, 23rd highest in tax burden, putting them pretty much average in terms of taxes. By contrast, they're 2nd in average household income. Hardly sounds like a dying economy.

As to why their revenue is low -- property tax is their #1 revenue source, with sales tax being #2. And this year, housing values have dropped and people aren't spending as much, meaning their two largest revenue sources took a hit.

The Red State Bumpkins are simply jealous of the quality of life Blue Staters have. Laugh at them and insult them, don't debate them.

Yes I lived in downstate Illinois, Our roads are falling apart, we can't get tax breaks to add jobs, yep blue states rule. Kentucky, is doing fairly decent.

hmmmm...

http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank29.html

Funny in 2000, Illinois had the 14th highest income per capita... Kentucky had the 41st... But I'm sure that's all flipped under the glorious rule of Bush.

Although your grammar confuses me. You sentence structure is incoherent, so you may have been agreeing with me and I just misread it.

Sum Dum Gai: globalwarmingpraiser: Yes I lived in downstate Illinois, Our roads are falling apart, we can't get tax breaks to add jobs, yep blue states rule. Kentucky, is doing fairly decent.

From the site I linked earlier, Kentucky has a higher tax burden than Illinois, though only slightly.

Kentucky also ranks 47th in terms of average income and 44th in terms of per capita size of the economy. I'm not sure coming in near the bottom of the barrel in terms of key economic indicators is decent or not.

Kentucky does OK because of how much federal help it gets.

Pechorin: globalwarmingpraiser: Pechorin: Sum Dum Gai: Weaver95: Nobody wants to do business in that state. the costs are just too prohibitive. and then they wonder why revenue is down? duh. you raise taxes and people leave, so do businesses.

It's myth that their taxes are unusually high. According to this source, Massachusetts' tax burden is just a tad below national average, or by rank, 23rd highest in tax burden, putting them pretty much average in terms of taxes. By contrast, they're 2nd in average household income. Hardly sounds like a dying economy.

As to why their revenue is low -- property tax is their #1 revenue source, with sales tax being #2. And this year, housing values have dropped and people aren't spending as much, meaning their two largest revenue sources took a hit.

The Red State Bumpkins are simply jealous of the quality of life Blue Staters have. Laugh at them and insult them, don't debate them.

Yes I lived in downstate Illinois, Our roads are falling apart, we can't get tax breaks to add jobs, yep blue states rule. Kentucky, is doing fairly decent.

hmmmm...

http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank29.html

Funny in 2000, Illinois had the 14th highest income per capita... Kentucky had the 41st... But I'm sure that's all flipped under the glorious rule of Bush.

Although your grammar confuses me. You sentence structure is incoherent, so you may have been agreeing with me and I just misread it.

I was comparing where I live in Illinois, which is losing jobs, with the nearby area around Paducah, Kentucky which is gaining jobs. Oh and I have been up too early and too wired to sleep so I am on FARK.

Guys, I can't be totally positive, but, after being in the gas business for years, you the consumer, are going to be very happy after Jan 1.

chicagogasman: Guys, I can't be totally positive, but, after being in the gas business for years, you the consumer, are going to be very happy after Jan 1.

just wondering what you mean by this?

Ericwqfs: chicagogasman: Guys, I can't be totally positive, but, after being in the gas business for years, you the consumer, are going to be very happy after Jan 1.

just wondering what you mean by this?

Seriously, you can't leave us hanging here. What don't we know? Should I get my tinfoil hat for this?

RemyDuron: Bush and the Republican congress has driven things far right over the last 8 years. Blah Blah blah Democrat Warrrblgrrbl.

Bush and the Republican congress for 6 years.

Bush and the Democrat congress for the past 2 years.

/different sides, same coin

legion_of_doo: RemyDuron: Bush and the Republican congress has driven things far right over the last 8 years. Blah Blah blah Democrat Warrrblgrrbl.

Bush and the Republican congress for 6 years.

Bush and the Democrat congress for the past 2 years.

/different sides, same coin

But Bush had the White House for all 8 years, and the power creep of the executive has been accelerated under his reign. And the Democratic congress hasn't stood up to him as much as they should have.

I knew what I was saying. Hell, if Congress matters more than the white house, I should have said Republicans had been in control 10 instead of 8.

that stuff happens when you have free things like health care.

Massachusetts Department of Transportation is like 30 billion dollars in debt; mostly due to the Big Dig. They basically can't afford to build or maintain roads anymore, since most of their budget goes to interest payments. So... they will need to pay up for their shiatty Boston roads.

RemyDuron: But Bush had the White House for all 8 years, and the power creep of the executive has been accelerated under his reign. And the Democratic congress hasn't stood up to him as much as they should have.

I knew what I was saying. Hell, if Congress matters more than the white house, I should have said Republicans had been in control 10 instead of 8.

I was just being a grump about the 8 years thing.

Pelosi & company shouldn't be given a free pass... but the Democrat congress picked up seats in both houses & too many b-b-Bush haters forget the past two years of Democratic control over Congress.

Pechorin: Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

Texas has an $11 billion surplus and an economy that's actually growing, so I wouldn't be so smug.

YixilTesiphon: Pechorin: Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

Texas has an $11 billion surplus and an economy that's actually growing, so I wouldn't be so smug.

wow, you picked the shiniest example from the top of the heap

/both of you have valid points

Pechorin: Red Staters shouldn't comment on how Blue States run themselves. It's like someone from Sudan commenting on Germany's government.

/i bet the gov. thinks this plan is delicious. obscure?

THIS.

Your economy so good and you think California is socilaist? STOP TAKING FEDEARL MONEY FROM CALIFORNIA or STFU. Christ.