FTA: Franken entered the recount trailing Coleman by 215 votes out of 2.9 million ballots. As of Wednesday night, Coleman was up 292 votes, including results from Nov. 4 and recounted ones.

Someone's been reading How To Lie With Statistics.

Just start looking in backseats, I'm sure you can "find" some there.

Yanks_RSJ: Just start looking in backseats, I'm sure you can "find" some there.

http://www.minnpost.com/davidbrauer/2008/11/12/4565/minneapolis_electio n_directo r_speaks_ballots_in_my_car_story_false

Hope that kool-aid tasted great, going down.

bloobeary: Hope that kool-aid tasted great, going down.

Hope you get a sense of humor for Christmas.

Yanks_RSJ: bloobeary: Hope that kool-aid tasted great, going down.

Hope you get a sense of humor for Christmas.

I hope you get one, too. Or at least some sort of ability to not suck at jokes.

TF'r fight! TF'r fight!

These people should look at the statistics that Nate Silver is keeping. Given the number of ballots being challenged, who has a lead doesn't matter worth shiat.

He lost..get over it.

shanrick: TF'r fight! TF'r fight!

giggity.

bloobeary: Someone's been reading How To Lie With Statistics.

Not really. It's just a way of saying Franken's lead has shrunk.

GaryPDX: He lost..get over it.

Bold prediction coming from the worst predictor since Bill Kristol.

cameroncrazy1984: GaryPDX: He lost..get over it.

Bold prediction coming from the worst predictor since Bill Kristol.

Your boy Franken lost. Get over it.

/That seems to be the meme these days....

I told myself I would quit the politics threads on Fark, and stick with the comraderie that is football threads, but here I go again.....

/Franken is farking retard loser that was never funny
//If you think Stuart Smalley was funny you may want to take an IQ test yourself.
///Fark Al Franken!
////So who is playing Joseph Addai this weekend?

It all depends on the challenges now.

If if you don't think Franken is funny, you've never read Operation Chickenhawk or the sequal.

absoluteparanoia: bloobeary: Someone's been reading How To Lie With Statistics.

Not really. It's just a way of saying Franken's lead has shrunk.

Not in reality. See the commentary on 538.

The short story is that the campaigns can "challenge" votes at their discretion and those votes are removed from the tally immediately. This will only be reconciled when some board or other reviews all of the challenges in December sometime.

Fark Franken. He should've gone the way of Air America so everyone would ignore him.

If it goes too the challenges I say the Lizard people win.

Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

another left winger bombs....... He did cause Air America to go under as well.

evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Haven't lost yet. When we do, I won't get over it. Coleman is a scumbag but he isn't as bad as some of the other republicans who are probably going back.

evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

You scared about votes being actually counted?

I think that I can speak for all of us without recrimination when I say

evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

QFT

Democracy!

What a retard.

godofusa.com: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

QFT

The ironic thing is that the larger than average African American population is largely why Prop 8 didn't pass.

" larger than average African American population is largely why Prop 8 didn't pass."

so you are saying that Black's don't like gays?

Nemo's Brother: godofusa.com: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

QFT

The ironic thing is that the larger than average African American population is largely why Prop 8 didn't pass.

Wasn't it something like 70%?

Nemo's Brother: godofusa.com: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

QFT

The ironic thing is that the larger than average African American population is largely why Prop 8 didn't pass.

Sure, just keep on spreading that bullshiat. (new window)

evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Obama.

Matching wits with Al Franken is like playing volleyball with a midget.

The silver lining I see in this is, no more need to show Lieberman any less than the contempt he deserves since he's no longer key to a majority and now won't be key to a filibuster-proof majority either.

/Offers Lieberman a middle finger sandwich

Meh.

I'll keep reading 538, thank you very much.

They're challenging all over the goddamn place, Coleman more than Franken. Considering 9/10 of the challenges are generally considered frivolous at this point (a ratio I've seen on a couple of Minnesota sites), it's still up in the air until those are resolved. And at this point, resolving the challenges looks like it'll bring the race back to an even heat.

There's also a theory that Coleman is challenging frivolously so he can lay some "claim" to the seat before the challenged ballots are decided, and then cry foul when/if they aren't found to be in his favor overall. It's a horrible way to behave (wasting more taxpayer money, and time overall), but you do get the benefit of this type of PR behind you:

evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in the end, the whole thing is decided by 50 votes or less. [Wouldn't be surprised if Coleman tries some legal fight if that's the case, either - doesn't matter if it has grounds or not.]

There's no perfect way to do this sort of thing, but damn if Minnesota isn't doing a decent job so far. About as far as Florida circa 2000 as you can get.

And if it does turn out that Franken wins, that's what will be able to fight the GOP propaganda Coleman's cultivating. The process has been amazingly transparent, and while there are a few iffy spots here and there, I trust it'll all turn out justly in the end, even if Franken loses.

Props to you, Minnesota. It's nice to be reassured that it is possible to run an election properly; something other states should aspire to.

There were lots of fishy numbers going down in the race I was involved in, to the point where county workers came over to celebrate only to be shocked that I was the only one left since, as far as we knew, the race had been lost. They were convinced the votes they counted didn't equal the final tally - I mean, to the point where they came to celebrate. God, that was depressing.

I'm still incredulous that we lost, but there was no recourse - even though folks who voted in the primary were turned away on election day as not being on the rolls, even though we knew some absentee ballots were never mailed out (in districts that would've helped us, too), even though we had city clerks violating FOIA laws all over the damn place.

State mandated recounts with both parties present? That would've been a dream come true.

As it goes, someone used shady means, outright lies (regarding endorsements in particular), and an absurd amount of dubiously obtained money to get into office. And that's not even news.

And I'm rambling.

I'd end on "Go Franken", but that doesn't really matter anymore, much like people b--tching about Prop 8, unfortunately. It's already been decided, there's just some paperwork to sort through before we know what that decision actually was...

Thank God. Maybe America can survive after all!

Franken sux

Remove all Republicans: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Not yet. The CA Supreme Court will overturn it. Gay marriage is happening in this state and THERE IS NOTHING YOU RIGHT-WINGERS CAN DO TO STOP IT. Franken needs to keep up the fight.

I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

Coleman is bad for America.

globalwarmingpraiser: Remove all Republicans: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Not yet. The CA Supreme Court will overturn it. Gay marriage is happening in this state and THERE IS NOTHING YOU RIGHT-WINGERS CAN DO TO STOP IT. Franken needs to keep up the fight.

I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

There's some question about the method used for ammending the constitution. It's iffy, but I really hope it goes through. The majority do not need to be voting away the rights of the minority.

As my friend said, this recount should be settled by putting both candidates in a Thunderdome. Two candidates enter, one candidate leaves...

Put it on PPV.

aegean: Thank God. Maybe America can survive after all!

Franken sux

Yeah, an outspoken actual liberal with a proven record of calling conservatives on their bullshiat with skillful research taking full advantage of the internet WOULD be really damn dangerous.

GAT_00
These people should look at the statistics that Nate Silver is keeping. Given the number of ballots being challenged, who has a lead doesn't matter worth shiat.

Ballots being challenged were reviewed by officials from both parties before they were tossed. The number that will survive the challenge is negligible.

RemyDuron: globalwarmingpraiser: Remove all Republicans: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Not yet. The CA Supreme Court will overturn it. Gay marriage is happening in this state and THERE IS NOTHING YOU RIGHT-WINGERS CAN DO TO STOP IT. Franken needs to keep up the fight.

I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

There's some question about the method used for ammending the constitution. It's iffy, but I really hope it goes through. The majority do not need to be voting away the rights of the minority.

I just get fed up with RAR trolling his crap in here. I can disagree with someone, and be civil. That being said I think Gay marraige should be legal but Sometime I wanna smack gay activists.

Remove all Republicans: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Not yet. The CA Supreme Court will overturn it. Gay marriage is happening in this state and THERE IS NOTHING YOU RIGHT-WINGERS CAN DO TO STOP IT. Franken needs to keep up the fight.

The CA Supreme Court shouldn't be swayed by popular opinion and outcry, either.

Mind you, I'M ON YOUR SIDE WITH PROP 8 AND FRANKEN.

But while Franken needs to make sure he has decent lawyers and challengers out in every last precinct, there's not much more to do in terms of "fighting". From what I've heard, he's done well in that regard, so it's just biding time (while on the edge of a chair, but still) until everything's accounted for.

As for Prop 8, I wish the gay community would've gotten their fight up sooner - oh, like say, before the election. While I know there was some decent work done beforehand, and that national politics drowned out the news before Nov 4, it seems the uprising is far greater now than before it passed.

Maybe it's the media coverage.

Maybe gay rights folks (and their friends and family, and decent human beings) were just incredulous that it would actually pass, and couldn't fathom the possibility.

Maybe the young vote turnout - which would've helped, it wasn't the minorities who voted for Prop 8 as much as the old people, as there's a huge correlation between your age and your support for gay rights - wasn't as hardcore in California as other states where Obama was running the GOTV effort. I'm too lazy to check the numbers on that.

So yes, we did lose Prop 8. We shouldn't get over it. However, short of planning to introduce a counter bill for the next election and/or donating to legal teams getting ready to fight it to the court, there's not much to do.

I still contend you're a troll, maybe a more clever evolution of the initial design but still a troll. I've spent way too much time with Democratic party members in the past few months for my own liking (I prefer to question my beliefs, and that doesn't happen in a vacuum) and I've never heard anyone suggest this:

Remove all Republicans Quote 2008-04-21 02:54:10 AM
Instead of making fun, we should work out solution. Why not give them further subsidies if they do manage to find a job? Keep the subsidies going as they increase in income and they will want to work harder eventually.

Seriously.

Remove all Republicans: globalwarmingpraiser: I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

If it's a reversion to the constitution, it will require 2/3 of the state house and senate. That is how the Supreme Court will get around it. They almost did the same thing to ban capital punishment but one vote too close.

Ok, that is an imformative and intelligent post. Why can't you be like that more often? You could contribute more than the trolling over the top crap you come up with.

Remove all Republicans: globalwarmingpraiser: I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

If it's a reversion to the constitution, it will require 2/3 of the state house and senate. That is how the Supreme Court will get around it. They almost did the same thing to ban capital punishment but one vote too close.

Just a PSA: Remove all Republicans is a troll.

globalwarmingpraiser: RemyDuron: globalwarmingpraiser: Remove all Republicans: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Not yet. The CA Supreme Court will overturn it. Gay marriage is happening in this state and THERE IS NOTHING YOU RIGHT-WINGERS CAN DO TO STOP IT. Franken needs to keep up the fight.

I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

There's some question about the method used for ammending the constitution. It's iffy, but I really hope it goes through. The majority do not need to be voting away the rights of the minority.

I just get fed up with RAR trolling his crap in here. I can disagree with someone, and be civil. That being said I think Gay marraige should be legal but Sometime I wanna smack gay activists.

*Shrug* RAR isn't a gay activist, he's a troll trying to make his side look bad, sort of like Skookum.

I'm all about equal marriage rights.. I couldn't care less... but the voters DID NOT WANT Prop 8.

We should put everything to a vote.. ie deporting all illegals and fining the crap out of them.

RemyDuron: Remove all Republicans: globalwarmingpraiser: I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

If it's a reversion to the constitution, it will require 2/3 of the state house and senate. That is how the Supreme Court will get around it. They almost did the same thing to ban capital punishment but one vote too close.

Just a PSA: Remove all Republicans is a troll.

Was he refering to the State or the Federal constitution. I never trust him because everynow and then he will start sounding reasonable then go off in some crazy tangent.

globalwarmingpraiser: RemyDuron: Remove all Republicans: globalwarmingpraiser: I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

If it's a reversion to the constitution, it will require 2/3 of the state house and senate. That is how the Supreme Court will get around it. They almost did the same thing to ban capital punishment but one vote too close.

Just a PSA: Remove all Republicans is a troll.

Was he refering to the State or the Federal constitution. I never trust him because everynow and then he will start sounding reasonable then go off in some crazy tangent.

That's the whole point. He is just an inch above the line so people can point and say "look at the crazy liberal! They're nuts!" I've suspected that Darconix is a similar thing for Republicans, but i'm not sure.

globalwarmingpraiser: Remove all Republicans: evoke: Just like Prop 8. You lost libs. GET OVER IT.

Not yet. The CA Supreme Court will overturn it. Gay marriage is happening in this state and THERE IS NOTHING YOU RIGHT-WINGERS CAN DO TO STOP IT. Franken needs to keep up the fight.

I could be wrong but wasn't Prop 8 a constitutional amendment. If the California constitution works like most constitutions, the supreme court will have to honor it as the rule of law.

Err, not exactly. California's state constitution offers multiple avenues to effect changes to itself, permitting both amendments (requiring a bare majority vote from voters) and a revision (requiring either a convention or a 2/3 state legislature vote and reserved for more substantial changes). The legal issue that will be presented to the California courts is whether the content of Prop 8 is merely an amendment or a revision.

Hat Madder: GAT_00
These people should look at the statistics that Nate Silver is keeping. Given the number of ballots being challenged, who has a lead doesn't matter worth shiat.

Ballots being challenged were reviewed by officials from both parties before they were tossed. The number that will survive the challenge is negligible.

That doesn't wash. Why would a campaign EVER agree that a vote for them was invalid? So either the campaigns do not have any power to prevent challenges, or the campaigns have that power and are unbelievably retarded. Correct?