Vladimir Putin is a Cold Hard biatch.

"But other countries have also known their bleak and terrible moments," he said. "In any event, we have never used nuclear weapons against civilians, and we have never dumped chemicals on thousands of kilometers of land or dropped more bombs on a tiny country than were dropped during the entire Second World War, as was the case in Vietnam."

True, Pooty, but Stalin's reign was still far worse than all that put together and squared.

And that's supposed to do WHAT exactly?

Do they not have the internets in Russia? Seriously, is this guy that out of touch that he thinks you can still control what people can read about history?

We have never gathered up 20 million of our citizens and sent them to a cold harsh prison to die from over work or killed them in other ways. My Russian friend tried to get me to understand the brutality of Stalin, she told us that he may have killed from 14 to 20 million people through the Gulag and various other means.

But when will they finally release Hitler's bones?

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Do they not have the internets in Russia? Seriously, is this guy that out of touch that he thinks you can still control what people can read about history?

Of COURSE they have the internet. And they can see that Western world has used it to put up THOUSANDS of lying websites claiming Stalin was a bad, bad man - as opposed to a great leader and Father of the Nation, adored by all.

Lionel Mandrake: True, Pooty, but Stalin's reign was still far worse than all that put together and squared.

That. We in the "West" have done some unspeakable things... to our "enemies". We didn't do it to our own citizens, and what we did pales in comparison to the purges and gulags.

opiumpoopy: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Do they not have the internets in Russia? Seriously, is this guy that out of touch that he thinks you can still control what people can read about history?

Of COURSE they have the internet. And they can see that Western world has used it to put up THOUSANDS of lying websites claiming Stalin was a bad, bad man - as opposed to a great leader and Father of the Nation, adored by all.

I can see Putin looking at the great firewall of China and think that it works perfectly. "What a brilliant solution" he must think to himself, never having heard of proxies.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I can see Putin looking at the great firewall of China and think that it works perfectly. "What a brilliant solution" he must think to himself, never having heard of proxies.

Lionel Mandrake: "But other countries have also known their bleak and terrible moments," he said. "In any event, we have never used nuclear weapons against civilians, and we have never dumped chemicals on thousands of kilometers of land or dropped more bombs on a tiny country than were dropped during the entire Second World War, as was the case in Vietnam."

B-b-b-but Clinton... and Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Tuman, and Roosevelt!

Nothing like the Russians to remind us Americans that, hey, at the end of the day? We're alright guys.

Podna

I've seen that posted here before, is that a joke referring to some /b/tard that thought he was invincible because he was behind a couple transparent proxies?

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I can see Putin looking at the great firewall of ChinaAlaska and think that it works perfectly. "What a brilliant solution" he must think to himself, never having heard of proxiesPalin.

I have no idea where I am going with this.

Russian politicians: Reminding all other politicians what a true douchebag really is.

Archie Goodwin: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I can see Putin looking at the great firewall of ChinaAlaska and think that it works perfectly. "What a brilliant solution" he must think to himself, never having heard of proxiesPalin.

I have no idea where I am going with this.

I like your style.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Podna

I've seen that posted here before, is that a joke referring to some /b/tard that thought he was invincible because he was behind a couple transparent proxies?

pretty much, its a /b/tard meme during their raids

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: And that's supposed to do WHAT exactly?

Do they not have the internets in Russia? Seriously, is this guy that out of touch that he thinks you can still control what people can read about history?

The internets in Russia are filled with thousands of hard-core nationalists who promote the government line and call anyone who disagrees a pussy and a traitor.

Compared to those guys, Fark's 101st Fighting Keyboardists are a bunch of amateurs.

Bad_Seed: The internets in Russia are filled with thousands of hard-core nationalists who promote the government line and call anyone who disagrees a pussy and a traitor.

Compared to those guys, Fark's 101st Fighting Keyboardists are a bunch of amateurs.

So they are like freepers but commies?

Podna: Bad_Seed: The internets in Russia are filled with thousands of hard-core nationalists who promote the government line and call anyone who disagrees a pussy and a traitor.

Compared to those guys, Fark's 101st Fighting Keyboardists are a bunch of amateurs.

So they are like freepers but commies?

I don't think the really care whether the live under communism or capitalism, as long as it's authoritarian.

Leave Stalin alone! He acted in a concrete historical situation and entirely rationally - as the guardian of a system, as a consistent support of reshaping the country into an industrialised state

Dear Soviet Union,

Welcome back. The last 17 years have been boring without you.

Love, The World xxoo

Lionel Mandrake:
True, Pooty, but Stalin's reign was still far worse than all that put together and squared.

NOooooo...nice try...but the USA has done very evil shiat too. Viet Nam was incredible. Or did you get brainwashed in 2000 like many other people when there was this weird surge in articlesunprecedented revisionism about how the US "won" Viet Nam with their noble and effective military?

Man that was a weird year for propaganda shifting. Strangely similar to what the Kremlin is doing, but in the American public sphere. Archives and books and stuff were left intact but the mass media were saying weeeeird things. Then 9/11 happened and it was all forgotten and the media had a whole new role to play, thankfully.

GIS for "Russian computer"

/lots of tubes

Makh: We have never gathered up 20 million of our citizens and sent them to a cold harsh prison to die from over work or killed them in other ways. My Russian friend tried to get me to understand the brutality of Stalin, she told us that he may have killed from 14 to 20 million people through the Gulag and various other means.

Yeah, but all we ever hear about in the US, or see movies about, is Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler! Nazi, Nazi, Nazi!!
Funny that.

Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler ever did in his wettest dream.

hyperspacemonkey: Lionel Mandrake:
True, Pooty, but Stalin's reign was still far worse than all that put together and squared.

NOooooo...nice try...but the USA has done very evil shiat too. Viet Nam was incredible. Or did you get brainwashed in 2000 like many other people when there was this weird surge in articlesunprecedented revisionism about how the US "won" Viet Nam with their noble and effective military?

Man that was a weird year for propaganda shifting. Strangely similar to what the Kremlin is doing, but in the American public sphere. Archives and books and stuff were left intact but the mass media were saying weeeeird things. Then 9/11 happened and it was all forgotten and the media had a whole new role to play, thankfully.

Only a couple million people were killed in Vietnam, a far cry from 20 million in the USSR; and almost ALL in Vietnam were casualties of war, i.e. collateral damages.
The Vietnamese were NEVER systematically rounded up and sent to be liquidated by the US.

Nice try though, snapperhead.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: I can see Putin looking at the great firewall of China and think that it works perfectly. "What a brilliant solution" he must think to himself, never having heard of proxies.

Most Russkies ALREADY believe the Putin version of history.

So no firewall is necessary.

Lionel Mandrake: "But other countries have also known their bleak and terrible moments," he said. "In any event, we have never used nuclear weapons against civilians, and we have never dumped chemicals on thousands of kilometers of land or dropped more bombs on a tiny country than were dropped during the entire Second World War, as was the case in Vietnam."

True, Pooty, but Stalin's reign was still far worse than all that put together and squared.

OK this is twice this week I have agreed with you. Get back on the dark side. I don't like you here it's kinda creepy and makes me feel all crampy.

michaeld5: Only a couple million people were killed in Vietnam, a far cry from 20 million in the USSR; and almost ALL in Vietnam were casualties of war, i.e. collateral damages.
The Vietnamese were NEVER systematically rounded up and sent to be liquidated by the US.

Nice try though, snapperhead.

It's not even about the numbers. Like Occam's Chainsaw said above. The West does nasty shiat, but at least it does it to it's enemies. Because war is hell. But when peace becomes hell, that's when you really earn the title "Evil".

jiaxiaobo: Dear Soviet Union,

Welcome back. The last 17 years have been boring without you.

Tom Clancy is a Farker?

michaeld5: Yeah, but all we ever hear about in the US, or see movies about, is Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler! Nazi, Nazi, Nazi!!
Funny that.

Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler ever did in his wettest dream.

Because Stalin was Hitler's ally before the Nazis attacked and he switched sides, because his actions in Eastern Europe were often no better than Hitler's.

And this moral ambiguity doesn't sit well with the Western, Hollywood version of the war, which want to portray the war as one unbroken, glorious march from Normandy to Berlin and ignore any shortcomings of the Western Allies when dealing with Stalin.

EvilElecBlanket: jiaxiaobo: Dear Soviet Union,

Welcome back. The last 17 years have been boring without you.

Tom Clancy is a Farker?

Teeth of the Tiger was good and The whole Jack Ryan as president was interesting. seeing him deal with only getting what he needed to know was fun.

It was far more than 20 million. Perhaps 20 million died in the gulags.

He killed 10 million in the Ukrane alone in one year around '32-'34.

globalwarmingpraiser: Teeth of the Tiger was good and The whole Jack Ryan as president was interesting. seeing him deal with only getting what he needed to know was fun.

Stopped reading after "The Bear and the Dragon" (think that was the title.) I just got tired of the series, but I've been thinking about getting back into them because that was so long ago.

/Read "Executive Orders" as soon as it came out.
//dropped it on my foot
///almost went to the hospital to get an x-ray

EvilElecBlanket: globalwarmingpraiser: Teeth of the Tiger was good and The whole Jack Ryan as president was interesting. seeing him deal with only getting what he needed to know was fun.

Stopped reading after "The Bear and the Dragon" (think that was the title.) I just got tired of the series, but I've been thinking about getting back into them because that was so long ago.

/Read "Executive Orders" as soon as it came out.
//dropped it on my foot
///almost went to the hospital to get an x-ray

There was no follow up other than teeth of the tiger to the Bear and the dragon.

EvilElecBlanket:
Tom Clancy is a Farker?

hehe... no, I'm just obsessed with Russia getting its shiznit together somehow, preferably under a benevolent dictatorship. every other country signing up for our language and culture is making the world dull. plus, it's about time we got back to fighting other whiteys.

plus, it won't hurt the James Bond franchise to have them back. is it me or does having Bond with an Eastern European chick (and no Soviet Union) make the story seem really dated.

/DNWTFM

michaeld5 Makh: We have never gathered up 20 million of our citizens and sent them to a cold harsh prison to die from over work or killed them in other ways. My Russian friend tried to get me to understand the brutality of Stalin, she told us that he may have killed from 14 to 20 million people through the Gulag and various other means.

Yeah, but all we ever hear about in the US, or see movies about, is Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler! Nazi, Nazi, Nazi!!
Funny that.

Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler ever did in his wettest dream.


The thing I can't forgive, what no revision of history by Putin will ever change, is the fact that the murdering, maniacle, F-wad that was Stalin, died peacefully in his bed.

ARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Quotizmo: The thing I can't forgive, what no revision of history by Putin will ever change, is the fact that the murdering, maniacle, F-wad that was Stalin, died peacefully in his bed.

ARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Maybe we can make a shootout finale with Stalin versus zombie Hitler or something

Quotizmo: The thing I can't forgive, what no revision of history by Putin will ever change, is the fact that the murdering, maniacle, F-wad that was Stalin, died peacefully in his bed.

ARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Maybe his death wasn't so peaceful after all

It's ok. Anyone curious will be able to see first hand in Russia in the upcoming years.

/Putin is everything the media told us Gorbachev was.

Some estimates put Stalin and Mao's death toll at a half of billion. This is at the high end of the estimate pool, but even if it is half that, that is 250,000,000 of their own citizens these Communism governments killed.

USP .45: We have enough liberals state side reminding us of this, we don't need you to pile on Putin.

Wow Putin must be learning from the neocons with the false equivalency

fark him!

LewDux

Okay, closer...but:

While that is an account I have never read, it is still not a simultaneous public (national) recognition of why he deserved an ill fate. He 'left office' revered. There is still no catharsis.

I'm just a simple American girl. I want a trial, conviction, and a horrible, horrible death for him--even a rogue battalion storming his rooms would have been a start.

/the last part isn't part of the American justice system (per se), but still in order, I feel.
//Thank you for the article, though.

Podna Maybe we can make a shootout finale with Stalin versus zombie Hitler or something

Hmmm...if the angry, well-armed corpses of their victims fell on the reanimated evils that are Stalin and Hitler...I might start to feel a little better.

I'll tell you one thing, it would be the first Stalin biopic during which I could eat popcorn.

/George Romero's STALIN

I_Approve_Of_This_Message: Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia.

Oceana has always been allies with Eurasia.

Just what I was thinking.

/i, for one, look forward to having nice action movies with Soviets as the bad guys.

/fondly remembers 80s action movies...
//sigh...

I am shocked that this is happening. Putin... I just... there are no words for this. Those archives were only recently opened!!

/amateur Soviet historian

aniktwo: I am shocked that this is happening. Putin... I just... there are no words for this. Those archives were only recently opened!!

/amateur Soviet historian

Putin didn't close them. He just returned them to the status quo position.

globalwarmingpraiser: aniktwo: I am shocked that this is happening. Putin... I just... there are no words for this. Those archives were only recently opened!!

/amateur Soviet historian

Putin didn't close them. He just returned them to the status quo position.

Yeah, but Soviet status quo is seriously farked up. I'm just glad that some people got access to various archives before access was restricted again.

Bad_Seed: And this moral ambiguity doesn't sit well with the Western, Hollywood version of the war, which want to portray the war as one unbroken, glorious march from Normandy to Berlin and ignore any shortcomings of the Western Allies when dealing with Stalin.

That's why it's called Hollywood and not The Center for Truth and Accuracy.

Otherwise, I'd want my own time traveling DeLorean.