I cannot wait for Obama to fire her.

odinsposse: I cannot wait for Obama to fire not hire her.

better

Doubtful. If true it makes Obama a ginormous pussy. If false it's just another shiatty falsehood put out by Mike Huffington's top.

So can I start spreading rumors about Obama offering me secretary of keeping it real? He'll HAVE to give it to me.

If true, this is simply shocking!

So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her. If her desire is still to be president one day, then what can she do in an Obama cabinet to further that ambition? She wouldn't accept that job unless she thought it would further her career, so what's the long-term strategic purpose? That's what I'm wondering.

odinsposse: I cannot wait for Obama to fire her.

Obama's just using her to get Huma Abedin into his rapidly growing harem.

Weapons-grade balonium.

Whatever you say about Hil, she's not dumb enough to force her way into a spot where Obama can fire her. I don't buy it.

If this was true why wouldn't of Obama's camp leak anonymously to the press that Hillary was not offered the job?

coco ebert: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her. If her desire is still to be president one day, then what can she do in an Obama cabinet to further that ambition? She wouldn't accept that job unless she thought it would further her career, so what's the long-term strategic purpose? That's what I'm wondering.

She has to know that if she didn't get the nomination in 2008, with every starting advantage, she's not ever going to get the nomination. It's not like the "Clinton machine" is growing in strength year by year.

It's quite possible that she simply wants to serve her country with honor.

coco ebert: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her. If her desire is still to be president one day, then what can she do in an Obama cabinet to further that ambition? She wouldn't accept that job unless she thought it would further her career, so what's the long-term strategic purpose? That's what I'm wondering.

It would give her the much needed Foreign policy cred she lacked this last election. It will also keep her in the spot light the entire time; as long as she does a good job I think there's some bonus in it for her that just being a Senator under Reids thumb wouldn't have.

RoyBatty: Doubtful. If true it makes Obama a ginormous pussy. If false it's just another shiatty falsehood put out by Mike Huffington's top.

I disagree about it making Obama a pussy.

The idea of making Hillary Clinton his Secretary of State is a gigantic win for Obama politically, with the possibility of huge potential rewards, with almost no downside for him at all.

The *WORST* case scenario in all this for Obama, is that he ends up having to fire Hillary and replace her the same day with someone else, and life goes on with someone else as Secretary of State, and also someone else in Hillary's Senate seat.

And that's the *worst* thing that could happen from Obama's point of view on this whole deal.

The best-case scenarios all involve his using a completely united Democratic Party as leverage and momentum to grab sevral moderate Republicans onboard, and push through the major changes that this country desperately needs.

Who original came up with the idea doesn't matter one goddamn little bit. If zombie Hitler crawled out of the grave to whisper the idea in the ear of Karl Rove, who then called Hillary and suggested it to her as if it were his own idea.... it just doesn't matter.

It's still a good idea.

Megain: odinsposse: I cannot wait for Obama to fire not hire her.

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Don't you see? Obama hires her for SoS. Hillary gives up her senate seat. Obama fires her. She's taken out of public office for at least a few years.

Corvus: If this was true why wouldn't of Obama's camp leak anonymously to the press that Hillary was not offered the job?

Yeah, it seems like she would be extraordinarily off balance and susceptible to embarassment. On the other hand, maybe he really couldn't afford to snub her seeing how she could be a real pain in the ass in the senate if she wanted to be. Ultimately I think it doesn't really matter. She's in a subordinate position. It's not even like she'll be in an advising position, it's administrative. She's pretty harmless here.

fosborb: odinsposse: I cannot wait for Obama to fire her.

Obama's just using her to get Huma Abedin into his rapidly growing harem.


I wish she'd give me a Huma

Ever since I decided to take Fark headlines as literal fact, this is indeed a disturbing universe.

When I was trying to figure out why the hell Obama would pick her, this thought actually came to me... It seemed just a little bit like tinfoil hat territory though.

I don't really buy this story, but in any case, I'd be interested to find out the real story behind this choice.

Anyone who takes SoS is going to be under enormous scrutiny, and considered responsible for the success or failure of the daunting foreign policy challenges we face. It would be pretty foolish for Hillary to force her way in for purely domestic political considerations. The chances that she would be blamed for any number of potential disasters waiting in the wings are huge.

I don't buy it. Pre-Bush, it makes sense, but now, it's just too dangerous to take on as a political manouever.

coco ebert: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her.

Her name and her picture will be in the news. Thats all.

She's just an attention whore.

log_jammin: coco ebert: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her.

Her name and her picture will be in the news. Thats all.

She's just an attention whore.

She gets that as senator too.

coco ebert: She gets that as senator too.

not near as much as she would as secretary of state.

and the main reason she got as much attention as she did as senator was because everyone knew it was her jumping point to run for president.

So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her.

At the end of the day she is just a junior Senator, Charles Shummer is not going anywhere, to go further she has to go for Party leadership, and deal with the constant bickering and horse trading with people who obviously hate you

coco ebert: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her. If her desire is still to be president one day, then what can she do in an Obama cabinet to further that ambition? She wouldn't accept that job unless she thought it would further her career, so what's the long-term strategic purpose? That's what I'm wondering.

If she considers it to further her career, it means she has zero faith in universal health care ever becoming a reality. If anything would get a person elected president, it would be that their senate proposal for universal health care became a reality. So we know that by considering it at all, she is certain her health care plan is not solid and that she can't be the one who successfully champions whatever plan does come true.

fosborb: odinsposse: I cannot wait for Obama to fire her.

Obama's just using her to get Huma Abedin into his rapidly growing harem.

That would be bad news for .....................Michelle Obama
/Jada Pikkett look a like now this

Ah I love stories like these. If Hilary isn't hired or is fired, they can follow it up with a 'told ya so', if she's hired and stays, they can run "this is another example of hilary being manipulative" stories throughout her career.

Still, now that the election is over and they don't have an unpopular president/candidate to rally against they'll have to clutch at fewer and fewer straws to keep up their sensationalist approach.

Kanemano: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her.

At the end of the day she is just a junior Senator, Charles Shummer is not going anywhere, to go further she has to go for Party leadership, and deal with the constant bickering and horse trading with people who obviously hate you

She's very popular in the Senate, more popular than Obama was actually.

coco ebert: She's very popular in the Senate, more popular than Obama was actually.

Popular or "famous"? I don't view her as "popular" in the senate. If anything I'd say she is polarizing.

F*ck Hillary Clinton.

What's one good thing she's ever done for someone that she didn't later use to further her own career?

Once a Clinton, always a Clinton.

RTFA and I don't think its true but then again its still interesting that Gov Richardson hasn't officially been nominated for Commerce Secretary and there has been no official announcement rather comment from Hillary or Obama on the SOS spot. So we'll see come next Monday.

log_jammin: coco ebert: She's very popular in the Senate, more popular than Obama was actually.

Popular or "famous"? I don't view her as "popular" in the senate. If anything I'd say she is polarizing.

You know absolutely nothing. She is one of the most popular Senators among Senators, and has consistently worked across the aisle. She is polarizing among the *electorate*.

hyperspacemonkey: coco ebert: So, in all the discussions about Hillary for secretary of state no one talks about what's in it for her. If her desire is still to be president one day, then what can she do in an Obama cabinet to further that ambition? She wouldn't accept that job unless she thought it would further her career, so what's the long-term strategic purpose? That's what I'm wondering.

If she considers it to further her career, it means she has zero faith in universal health care ever becoming a reality. If anything would get a person elected president, it would be that their senate proposal for universal health care became a reality. So we know that by considering it at all, she is certain her health care plan is not solid and that she can't be the one who successfully champions whatever plan does come true.

Not necessarily true. Clinton lacks the seniority, and therefore a committee position from which to get her proposals taken up by the Senate. Ted Kennedy has a health care plan he wants, Obama has a plan he wants, so Clinton is SOL with her plan.

No need to add anything coherant to this thread, General Zang has it covered.

fiscal liberals blow

Whether or not this happens to be true, the fact that it is considered plausible speaks volumes about how far Clinton's popularity has dropped in the last year and a half.

Larry Mahnken: You know absolutely nothing. She is one of the most popular Senators among Senators, and has consistently worked across the aisle.

Actually she votes along party lines more than all but 2 of her peers.

She is a partisan, power hungry, attention lady of ill repute.

If you want female senators with seniority that actually vote across the isle, you would have to go with the senators from Maine. If Obama was looking for more qualified candidates that would contribute to a truly bipartisan party with an emphasis on reaching across the isle, he could do much worse than them.

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Bullshiat.

I don't buy this for a second. Huffpo puts out some truly deluded stuff from time to time, and I think this is one of those times. There isn't even any confirmation that she's been offered the position AT ALL in the first place... All we've seen on this is rumor and innuendo that I haven't found particularly plausible to begin with.

It could be she was offered it, but we'll have to see. I'm highly, highly skeptical.


log_jammin: coco ebert: She's very popular in the Senate, more popular than Obama was actually.

Popular or "famous"? I don't view her as "popular" in the senate. If anything I'd say she is polarizing.


He said "popular in the Senate" - as in popular among fellow senators. You're talking about popularity among the populace. Two very different things. I've heard that coco ebert is absolutely correct and that Hillary is quite popular in the Senate.

But really, you're probably wrong from any way you look at it. Obama's primary victory over Hillary was hard fought and by no means a slam dunk. As it turned out in the primary, Hillary had a lot more support than many people would have predicted before the contest was underway.

"Polarizing"? Maybe. But popular? Undoubtedly.... though WHY she would be popular is a bit hard to wrap one's head around, IMHO...

Fascist PITA? Really? Sniper fire was used in the Democratic primaries.

// I really really hate that thing.

Maybe she gets fired and thus neutralized as an obstacle, or.....

Step 1. Hillary spends 4 years as Secretary of State
Step 2. Biden steps down in 2012 due to health / family
Step 3. Hill runs with Obama as his VP for the second term
Step 4. Hillaryis45.com ?

This is Fark, and it's certainly Not News that a Clinton lied, again.

"McCain had indicated that he wanted to help Obama in the Senate, and by taking him up on it, Obama has both flattered and coopted him."

Huffington translates McCain telling Obama to pound sand into something positive? Worst attempt at spin ever.

Hat Madder: Huffington translates McCain telling Obama to pound sand into something positive? Worst attempt at spin ever.


Whatyoutalkin'bout Willis?

Hillary is nowhere near so interesting to watch as the apparently deranged Hillary-haters that all rush in to post at Huffington Post or Fark whenever her name comes up in any context.

What is it with you people? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and all your opinions seem to be founded on the anti-Clinton propaganda the right wing noise machine has been cranking out for decades now. Most of what you write about her is pure imagination. Are you trying to just prop up your own fragile egos to feel better about yourself? Maybe you want to make sure you aren't identified as one of the spaniel-like Clinton-lovers? Or you're trolling for the same? What is it?

Clinton will do fine as SoS. Some of this will be her own ability and popularity (and WJC's) around the world, but her real asset is that she will be working for a strong president. A much better position than Powell or Rice had to deal with. And she will execute his policy, not hers.

Corvus: If this was true why wouldn't of HAVE Obama's camp leak anonymously to the press that Hillary was not offered the job?

/pet peeve
//srsly
///GD text generation
////penis gourd

Stop me if you've heard this one:

Politician named Clinton lies to the media for political gain....

/Story may or may not be bullshiat.
//That's the problem with being predictably dishonest.
///Like a "boy who cried wolf" story in reverse.

AntiNerd: Hillary is nowhere near so interesting to watch as the apparently deranged Hillary-haters that all rush in to post at Huffington Post or Fark whenever her name comes up in any context.

What is it with you people? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and all your opinions seem to be founded on the anti-Clinton propaganda the right wing noise machine has been cranking out for decades now. Most of what you write about her is pure imagination. Are you trying to just prop up your own fragile egos to feel better about yourself? Maybe you want to make sure you aren't identified as one of the spaniel-like Clinton-lovers? Or you're trolling for the same? What is it?

Clinton will do fine as SoS. Some of this will be her own ability and popularity (and WJC's) around the world, but her real asset is that she will be working for a strong president. A much better position than Powell or Rice had to deal with. And she will execute his policy, not hers.

Ah sweet, sweet reason. How I've missed you.

By the way, everyone in this thread denouncing the Huffington Post for fabricating this story has failed to RTFA. They're simply quoting reporting from The New York Review of Books. What HuffPo is guilty of is (in typical fashion) giving this a trollerific headline.

The NRYB is an entirely sober and serious publication, so I'm sure that they have good cause to report the sequence of events the way they do. But note that they don't say that she "fabricated" the offer. They say that Obama did raise the possibility of running State with Hillary, and that her aides then prematurely framed this as a positive offer. They're not suggesting, in other words, that Obama had a chat with Hillary about good DC schools and then she came out and said "he totally offered me Sec. State."

There's really little more in here than a minor (though worrying) breach of protocol. Obama would not have said to Hillary "well, maybe you could be Sec. State" if he was not willing to offer her the position should she want it (yes, I know that most of Fark would like to imagine a scene in which Obama said "hey, Hillary, you want Sec. State" "Why yes, yes I would?" "Well, you can't have it. PSYCHE!"--but that's not actually the way that these things happen). The aides who said he's "offered" her the position were saying something that was effectively true, but they should have waited until the formal offer was made.

she would've gone for chief of staff

AntiNerd: You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and all your opinions seem to be founded on the anti-Clinton propaganda the right wing noise machine has been cranking out for decades now. Most of what you write about her is pure imagination.

She is not among my most-admired politicians. I do not hate her, either.

I don't believe she had Vince Foster killed, or anyone else the noise machine suggests. She was absolutely correct that her husband Bill was the target of a vast, right-wing conspiracy from the very beginning of his presidency, a conspiracy that led to an outrageous attempt by his haters to simply overturn his election. I don't call her funny names like "Shrillary" or "Hitlery Rotten KKKlintoon", or sneer or spit on the ground when saying her name. She's as qualified for her current office as anyone in the Senate.

Clinton will do fine as SoS.

If she's selected, and if she accepts, then I hope so.

Some of this will be her own ability and popularity (and WJC's) around the world

Maybe. Foreign policy is NOT her specialty and I find it hard to believe we can't find a career diplomat/administrator who's a better fit.

but her real asset is that she will be working for a strong president. A much better position than Powell or Rice had to deal with.

Advantages any other Secretary of State would enjoy.

And she will execute his policy, not hers.

I hope so. I'm apprehensive about her trying to run State as her own White House, and her history of self-aggrandizement. Her appointment to SoS smacks of political coercion or at least bargaining.

A year ago, I'd be more ambivalent, before witnessing the odious way she and her staff and surrogates conducted her primary campaign.

General Zang: The *WORST* case scenario in all this for Obama, is that he ends up having to fire Hillary and replace her the same day with someone else, and life goes on with someone else as Secretary of State, and also someone else in Hillary's Senate seat.

And that's the *worst* thing that could happen from Obama's point of view on this whole deal.

He doesn't get to replace her the same day, he gets to make an appointment which has to be pushed through senate confirmation hearings. He also gets to have some of the political firestorm over now before he's president. The worst that can happen for Obama is that she wastes his time or drops the ball on key issues. Those are pretty big penalties

When is someone going to through Hillary under the bus?