FTFA: Opposition education spokesman Andrew Stoner said a drugs guide was the last thing parents and their children needed.

heh heh heh.

Good advice. I wish I had that sort of advice when i was younger.

I'll be the Weeners this pic:

Because People in power are Stupid: I'll be the Weeners this pic:


Weeners. LOL

Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

I don't think any of the druggos I knew were exactly the time to be hardcore into school sponsored pamphlets, either...

/If the pamphlet suggested anything other than "Only use farking pot, you dumbasses" I'm staunchly against it

soze: ... don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

THIS.

"Opposition education spokesman Andrew Stoner said a drugs guide was the last thing parents and their children needed.

"Students would be better served being in the classroom rather than at a workshop on drugs," Mr Stoner said yesterday."

LOL His name is Stoner!!

soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

It's one thing to be handing this out to tweakers, another thing entirely to be giving it to middle school kids...

Most parents have done drugs, even if it's just weed. Why can't they fill their kids in on what the real story is?

"OMG, I can't let my precious snowflake know that I tried LSD, or he'll lose all respect for me!"

I tell my teenager about all the drugs. I also told him that most street drugs were bad because you never knew what some meth-head was cooking up in his kitchen to make a quick buck.

After readign the article it seems to me that this brochure was meant for adult speed addicts as harm reduction, and not for teen. Seems to me that it was a simple mistake.

FTFA:"One lady who was helping out on the day was physically shaken and had to go outside in tears after reading the brochure."

Grow up, wuss.

Right on

soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

Anybody who uses drugs can not be called anything "responsible". Government is allocating sparse resources to help people to overcome the deadly habit. And what do they get in response? "No... do not help us, we want to be irresponsible drug users!"

there is so much shiat out there about drugs that kids will experiment find out 1 thing si not strictly true and fark the rest.

Telling the truth about drugs is the only way forward .. it could be better phrased than allow a day to come up/down though

/end voice of reason

I say we nuke all druggies they are probably foreign anyway

/end internet post

Barakku: soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

I don't think any of the druggos I knew were exactly the time to be hardcore into school sponsored pamphlets, either...

/If the pamphlet suggested anything other than "Only use farking pot, you dumbasses" I'm staunchly against it

I'm fairly certain that these tips can only harm, not help, an 8th grader. After all, the actual information content is incredibly low, as I'm not entirely sure what drug user isn't aware of those points, but the apparent validation for drug use from an authoritative institution is really, really high in that instance, and certainly lowers the barrier for people to get into... speed, apparently.

Which half of them are probably already on.

I think at the very least in the earlier years, ie. pre-high school, a more milder but still propaganda-light drug education program is warranted. We shouldn't tell them their dicks will fall off if they ever pass the J to the successful and attr... dude on the left, but we also shouldn't use phrases like "get a good dealer".

Ro: Anybody who uses drugs can not be called anything "responsible". Government is allocating sparse resources to help people to overcome the deadly habit. And what do they get in response? "No... do not help us, we want to be irresponsible drug users!"

It's true. I have an old friend, Jimbo, who says that at least twice a day.

OriginalGamerX: After readign the article it seems to me that this brochure was meant for adult speed addicts as harm reduction, and not for teen. Seems to me that it was a simple mistake.


Yep, but it seems people are going to QQ over this mistake.

Lupercanalius Assbarnacle: soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

It's one thing to be handing this out to tweakers, another thing entirely to be giving it to middle school kids...

I'll agree with this...they're basically suggesting it's okay as long as you do it like this. I'm sure some people would say "but drugs are okay" despite legal BS, but plenty of drugs are illegal for very good reasons.


/Remember kids, if you're on PCP, cops are gonna bring a Rodney King sized beating with 'em

Education works, abstinence programs don't.

Malbar: Harm reduction can be beneficial but it ought to be targetted towards those who are already harming themselves or at high risk of doing so, not freely distributed to every 13 year old in sight.

It's like sex education. You give good, comprehensive education BEFORE they start doing it so WHEN they start doing it they don't fark up their lives.

A pamphlet for 8th graders that encourages responsible "harder" drug use? Hmmmmmm . . . I'm all for marijuana legalization, but this is a little out there.

Asking an 8th grader to make any type of decision "responsibly", especially one that involves speed, is pretty much asking for trouble. Probably a good decision to scale that one back a bit and reevaluate. If it dealt with marijuana, or alcohol, or even 16-18 year olds, I'd see things differently (these aren't horrible suggestions), but asking a 12/13-year old to make informed cocaine decisions is a trifle bizarre.

It takes time to think things through. These may be future adults, but they haven't been around long enough at that point to understand consequences of their actions, at the very least not fully.

Tacit approval of cocaine use to barely-teenagers is irresponsible.

/cue the xkcd comic with the teacher that always uses a condom while teaching

I bet Darwin is loving this...

drugs are gay.

Barakku: Lupercanalius Assbarnacle: soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

It's one thing to be handing this out to tweakers, another thing entirely to be giving it to middle school kids...

I'll agree with this...they're basically suggesting it's okay as long as you do it like this. I'm sure some people would say "but drugs are okay" despite legal BS, but plenty of drugs are illegal for very good reasons.


/Remember kids, if you're on PCP, cops are gonna bring a Rodney King sized beating with 'em

I'm for completely removing the legal penalty and social venom around drug use in general and replacing it with sober, introspective, and collaborative discussion and education on drug use in this country.

Imagine that, if we introduced the gray area of drug use to pre-teens and spent a small portion of the rest of their educations struggling with the issues of when, where, and the existential issues of "why?" Make it known that it can harm, and maybe in some instances it can seem to help, but prudence and moderation is necessary, it's not really for everyone, one should never be pressured to do drugs, etc:

But no, we're not allowed to have that conversation in a civilization where drug use and abuse is rampant and acceptable so long as it's liquid. When just about 90%+ of the planet is on drugs, how is the mind-altering drug question not powerful enough to warrant a complex and time-consuming analysis of the issue?

/A man can dream?

Is funny because his name is STONER and he not like drugs. ha ha ha


/hotter than fresh magma

CTaylor80: Tacit approval of cocaine use to barely-teenagers is irresponsible.

+1 for proper use of the word tacit. -2 for not know that cocaine isn't speed.

/is smarter than all of you.

Sounds like modern sex education. They're going to do it anyway, so we just might as well tell them how to escape the consequences.

adeist69: CTaylor80: Tacit approval of cocaine use to barely-teenagers is irresponsible.

+1 for proper use of the word tacit. -2 for not know that cocaine isn't speed.

er, knowing, that is..

darth_nick23: drugs are gay.

That would probably be an effective campaign.

soze: Because the uptime nimrods in the community don't understand harm reduction. God forbid the people who are going to use drugs anyway do so in a safe and responsible manner.

So much this. I wish someone would have given me some good information. Like, "Don't buy pre-crushed Ritalin pills, you don't know what you're getting."

/Quit that stuff years ago.
//Not because it was illegal.

Running a-puck: Education works, abstinence programs don't.

I agree with you. Abstinence programs never work. I support harm reduction programs, in principle anyway. Here's my problem: I was a tweaker at one point in my life. I used crank pretty regularly for a couple of years, and nearly daily towards the end of that time. I am really glad that I never encountered a harm reduction program. What made me quit was the harm that I was doing to myself, I saw that I was living an unsustainable lifestyle. So I quit. I used it occasionally over the years (maybe every few months, or less) after that and finally stopped completely over 12 years ago.

In every case where a friend of mine stopped using, they stopped because of the harm that speed was causing them, so sometimes I think that harm reduction can increase the actual damage done. I think it's really only a good idea for total lost causes.

darth_nick23: drugs are gay.

mkay?

DarkSkyForever: FTFA:"One lady who was helping out on the day was physically shaken and had to go outside in tears after reading the brochure."

Grow up, wuss.

A big steaming helping of THIS.

I think older teenagers need this information. Written materials are likely to have little impact on whether they use drugs or not, just like abstinence education doesn't keep them from having sex. However, it might have an impact on whether they do so responsibly.

Not so much for eighth graders, though. They're too young to handle something of that nature responsibly. If your eighth grader is using LSD or coke, then the problem is already too big to be handled with printed hand-outs.

i drew the line at smoking pot and popping a few pills, i didn't really like the way anything made me feel after a while and i stopped hanging out with the types of people that did anything like that. took me a little while to figure out drinking isn't all that cool either. i've got an aunt and a cousin and an uncle and brother who've all farked their lives up with cocaine, heroin and meth. its a terrible, pointless thing to do.

IonBeam2: Sounds like modern sex education. They're going to do it anyway, so we just might as well tell them how to escape the consequences.

Yep. Basically what happened to me. Learned what various drugs were and the general effects and dosages, plus bits of the medicine behind addiction, when I was 10, 12ish. That was a good 4-6 years before I actually ran into anything harder than Pot, and 8ish before I really got into any of 'em (gimme a break, I was busy drinkin'). I can honestly say that it's kept me from accidentally killing myself several times.

//I don't think this was intentional on the part of my parents, they were just interested in everything, and most conversations with me ended up being about either science or fantasy lit at that age...
//My parents did tell me to stay the hell away from drugs until I was old enough to have non-relatives available to bail me out of jail. I more or less acceptied this reasoning, which was why I didn't exactly run around looking for a fix before I was 18ish.

adeist69: adeist69: CTaylor80: Tacit approval of cocaine use to barely-teenagers is irresponsible.

+1 for proper use of the word tacit. -2 for not know that cocaine isn't speed.

er, knowing, that is..

Yeah, I guess the pamphlet does deal strictly with speed, and doesn't cover cocaine/heroin/meth. I read too much into "In promoting the community day Attorney-General John Hatzistergos said high school students would learn about the damaging effects of alcohol and other drugs."

My B :-)

Society's attitude to drugs is retarded.

News at 11.

CTaylor80: Yeah, I guess the pamphlet does deal strictly with speed, and doesn't cover cocaine/heroin/meth

I'm not trying to be an asshat, so I'll let you step up to the line and have another freethrow.

/hint: meth= methamphetamine=speed

Because People in power are Stupid: I'll be the Weeners this pic:

Dude, the first pic reads 28 but she looks 50. No way those are accurate.

Kids, always get a skinny white dude to be your dealer. If you get Tyrone the 6'5" 300lb ex-con to sell you pot, it's only a matter of time before he robs or rapes you.

Remember, never blow strangers for crack. Blow strangers for money, then use the money to buy crack.

(Thanks to The Onion.)

Nayest: /is smarter than all of you.

What does Buster Bluth have to do with any of this?

Don't snort anything off a hookers ass, she may not have wiped properly.

Lysergide is hard to contaminate because few agents are as mass-efficient. Pharmaceuticals are (sorta) clean (they ought to switch to supercriticals rather than solvents) if they are not counterfeit, provided they are not formulated with that evil cut, acetaminophen. When marijuhauna is dirty, if is as often the fault of the US gov spraying paraquat as the intention of the producer. Of course, one can grow this oneself. Lay off of the nitrogen toward the end and phosphorus at the end, it will be pretty clean. The idea that cannabis is a 'soft drug' is a social convention rather than an outcome of pharmacological science. For one thing, smoking is pretty hardcore in any case. If I was gonna smoke a cig, it would probably be a Sherman's natural. The continuous distilling of commercial booze yields a more cogener-laden product than the batch distilling that moonshiners use, contrary to public bias. For powdered drox, look for a well-defined mp and macroscopic crystals. Fractionally recrystallize with quality solvents when in doubt, be patient when drying. Blue-stainers should, indeed, stain blue. Using a digital vaporizer is probably a good idea.

If I were to make a harm reduction pamphlet, I would make it frighteningly detailed to the effect that it would encourage both abstinence and responsibility.

CHAPTER 9:1 The proper way to administer an adrenaline injection to the heart, when not to use the injection

9:2 Overdose diagnosis, when to save and when to let them expire concerning matters of legal responsibility

9:3 Self analyzing heart palpitations, mathematic formulas for response and reaction that could save the temporal lobe from stroke induced necrosis

9:4 THE RIP OFF, Principles for retribution while maintaining gang clemency

Ro
Anybody who uses drugs can not be called anything "responsible". Government is allocating sparse resources to help people to overcome the deadly habit. And what do they get in response? "No... do not help us, we want to be irresponsible drug users!"

My GOD you're right. I knew there was a good reason to get made about world leaders sitting down to 500$ bottles of wine.

Excuse me for a moment.
"HONEY, throw away the baby's asthma medication!"

oh and I'm forwarding this man's picture to the authorities. If you see any enlightened looking people, please shoot them on sight: They want nothing better than to be irresponsible drug users.

Nayest: /is smarter than all of you.

Adrenaline injection to the heart? Urban Legend.

Naltrexone? yes.