It's purely about insurance money. With insurance companies cranking up liability premiums due to parents suing institutions because little Bobby couldn't keep himself from downing that fifth of vodka and running in front of cars his first week of school, colleges are going nuts about alcohol regulation. Not for the students' benefit of course, otherwise they'd have reasonable, sane education; there are simply more hoops to jump through, more sanctions for underage kids who get caught drinking, and mere lip service to education (the popular one is Alcohol.EDU, which is a complete CYA joke).

If you care at all about your college's increasing attempts to regulate social events off-campus, demand that your administration support the Amethyst Initiative. Outside of any constitutional arguments about access to controlled substances in the age of majority, it would get these intrusive bureaucrats the hell out of our collective hair.

/disclaimer: chapter advisor for a fraternity

Oh, this is gonna be a fun one. Especially with the "that's where a lot of our revenue comes from," quote in there.

I grew up 10 minutes from Miami, OH. There was ALWAYS a party you could get into as a high-school kid off-campus.

THIS JUST IN!!!

"Greek Systems" at several major AND minor universities and colleges have gone under due to lack of membership. No further information is available at this time.

FTFA: "We keep it neat. It's classy in here."

I call shenanigans. A frat house, classy? There's an oxymoron if ever I've seen one!

lajimi:

Came for the reference. Leaving satisfied. Thank you.

LOL, only in common areas... big deal.

Who wants to be in a fraternity with the highest GPA?

Never been there, but if its like most colleges, I'm sure most fraternities have two houses... the official house and the party house.

Hah, that'd be about the only reason anyone joins one at U of Iowa.
I'm sure mister "HAZING MAKES REAL BONDING OMGZ" from a while ago will be just as happy without beer, though; too hard for some people to make friends without a cock in their mouth

/NTTAWWT
//No offense to you, non-psychopathically pathetic, non-"I need this so I can has actual friends lol" frat guys

What's the point of joining at frat if you can't drink or have parties at the house?

As a member of I Tappa Kega, I find this a sad state of affairs of todays youth. How can the ugly kids get laid now if they cant get the girls of I Spredda Pi drunk?

bearcats1983: What's the point of joining at frat if you can't drink or have parties at the house?

Becoming a junior member of the Illuminati/Rotary Club/Trilateral Commission/Colonel Sanders Brigade. Some people would rather hire a fraternity 'brother' that they've never met than another equally well-qualified candidate.

bearcats1983: What's the point of joining at frat if you can't drink or have parties at the house?

Arizona has a dry campus, so the majority of frats/sororities here have all the parties off campus. They generally rent out a bar or something and throw the party there. I believe they are allowed to only have 3 parties a year on campus, in which it's heavily regulated. Kids seem to prefer the off campus parties.

This just in......beep beep beep beep.....college kids drink and the greek system is mostly a excuse to binge drink...news @ 11.

hard hitting reporting

This is rather bizarre... Why would a fraternity willingly go dry? There was a Sigma Nu on my campus that evaporated shortly after they went dry.

My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house. I think this is the best of both worlds. Less liability and more fun. Plus we always had designated drivers that would take anyone at the party home.

The minors went to the off campus house that the brothers had rented for nearly a decade to party before going to the house.

Just remember folks: All English Kings Drink Beer

I hope Tappa Kega Bru will survive. I don't want our secret handshake to include some involuntary shaking from DTs.

/DNRTFA

People question why others join fraternities/sororities all the time. To them, I ask, why would you join ANY group of people? Because you have some sort of common ground with them, like them and want to spend more time with them.

All of the detractors seem to like to point to the drinking. College I went to, there was just as much drinking going on in the dorms as the fraternities.

As far as hazing? How much goes on in sports, band, theater? (Yes, theater.) I was never subjected to anything worse than push-ups. Yes, you hear about those hazing incidents where something tragic happens, but given how widespread fraternities & sororities are, and how few of those incidents I hear about, well...they don't seem to happen any more frequently than incidents among NON-Greeks on campus.

/Kappa Sigma, & proud of it
//usually
///except when I hear about dumb-butts

enmunate: My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house.

Thank you for clarifying. That first part was quite confusing.

enmunate: This is rather bizarre... Why would a fraternity willingly go dry? There was a Sigma Nu on my campus that evaporated shortly after they went dry.

My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house. I think this is the best of both worlds. Less liability and more fun. Plus we always had designated drivers that would take anyone at the party home.

The minors went to the off campus house that the brothers had rented for nearly a decade to party before going to the house.

Just remember folks: All English Kings Drink Beer

I was Alpha-Pi out of Wabash College. What chapter were you?

They just need to go drink at the bars like the rest of us did (although I had an advantage going to a University with a certain street nearby containing the highest amount of bars per square foot on it). The problem with frat parties arises when you have drunken 19 year olds policing other drunken 19 year olds - it becomes chaos. At least bars have the proper hired "professionals" who are paid to stay sober and watch over the place.

I liked how one kid mentioned how their dry frat house is a lot classier and the GPAs are higher. Isn't that traditionally what fraternities are about? Maybe I'm ignorant because I'm from Canada where we have only a handful of fraternities, none of which I have experience with... but the American media portrays fraternities as places where kids haze each other, drink until they end up in the hospital because they're to immature to enjoy liquor without abusing it, and rape girls who have passed out at the party.

FrancoFile: Becoming a junior member of the Illuminati/Rotary Club/Trilateral Commission/Colonel Sanders Brigade. Some people would rather hire a fraternity 'brother' that they've never met than another equally well-qualified candidate.

Simple membership doesn't impress me, but holding office within the fraternity will at least start a conversation. When you hold an office in your chapter I know you're trusted by your peers enough to get shiat done. This also goes for any club or organization with serious finances to manage.

You also might know how to run a meeting and to talk to bigwigs without making an ass out of yourself. Fraternities, when done well, are a fantastic laboratory for attitude and conduct and learning what behaviors are appropriate when.

this thread is relevant to my interests

Dear Miami (Ohio) University,

More beer for us. We'll take your business and preppy students too with our higher ACT/SAT scores than yours.

Signed,

The Ohio State University

I graduated from Miami a few years ago so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

The Phi Delts are dry (the guys bragging about their GPA) because they got their house shut down a few years ago for being too rowdy. My guess is that their national chapter made them go dry to reopen, and now they're acting like it was their initiative.

They'll never kill fraternities at Miami, they're just too ingrained there and so many people are "legacies" and have to get into the same one that mommy or daddy did. I'm not surprised that the Pikes decided to stay wet.

Space Cadet Netty:
I liked how one kid mentioned how their dry frat house is a lot classier and the GPAs are higher. Isn't that traditionally what fraternities are about? Maybe I'm ignorant because I'm from Canada where we have only a handful of fraternities, none of which I have experience with... but the American media portrays fraternities as places where kids haze each other, drink until they end up in the hospital because they're to immature to enjoy liquor without abusing it, and rape girls who have passed out at the party.

That's because the American media always has to have a demon, and in the college world it's Greek life. In actuality, Greeks are much more STRICT about hazing and drinking than other on campus organizations such as sports and band, because they are more highly policed and have to answer to not only the college but the national organization.

Greeks are the people who do the MOST good for the college - look at any philanthropy or volunteering event and you will see Greek life members all over it. Orientation? Might as well be sponsored by them - no one else ever bothers to sign up. Campus clean ups, tours, community service is all done by Greeks and almost never by anyone else, because they aren't interested.

As a Phi Psi at another college, I am very disappointed in the actions of the Phi Psis at Miami.

Chibi Shinigami

Speaking of community service, mine made the pledges do, iirc, 40 hours of service before initiation. My class did ours with Habitats for Humanity.

MOIDS!!

\Just Chili
\\No Cheese
\\\No Beans
\\\\No Onions
\\Just Chili

\\Wabash Alpha Pi as well

red_dragon60: I graduated from Miami a few years ago so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

The Phi Delts are dry (the guys bragging about their GPA) because they got their house shut down a few years ago for being too rowdy. My guess is that their national chapter made them go dry to reopen, and now they're acting like it was their initiative.

Phi Delta Theta has been an internationally dry fraternity for quite a while now. I pledged in 2002... and we were dry then. Granted, there's "dry" and then there's dry. We were "dry," as I assume pretty much every other Phi Delt is. The Miami chapter wasn't asked to go dry because of their charter being in question, the chapter had their charter in question because they didn't go dry.

belome: Who wants to be in a fraternity with the highest GPA?

lajimi: belome: Who wants to be in a fraternity with the highest GPA?

Hair pie?

PizzaJedi81: enmunate: This is rather bizarre... Why would a fraternity willingly go dry? There was a Sigma Nu on my campus that evaporated shortly after they went dry.

My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house. I think this is the best of both worlds. Less liability and more fun. Plus we always had designated drivers that would take anyone at the party home.

The minors went to the off campus house that the brothers had rented for nearly a decade to party before going to the house.

Just remember folks: All English Kings Drink Beer

I was Alpha-Pi out of Wabash College. What chapter were you?

Accept everyone kindly, dear brother.

/GK

Chibi Shinigami: That's because the American media always has to have a demon, and in the college world it's Greek life. In actuality, Greeks are much more STRICT about hazing and drinking than other on campus organizations such as sports and band, because they are more highly policed and have to answer to not only the college but the national organization.

Greeks are the people who do the MOST good for the college - look at any philanthropy or volunteering event and you will see Greek life members all over it. Orientation? Might as well be sponsored by them - no one else ever bothers to sign up. Campus clean ups, tours, community service is all done by Greeks and almost never by anyone else, because they aren't interested.

My experiences with greeks, of which I was not a member, does not reflect your claims. At my undergrad, Ohio U (the only good school in Ohio), there were many greek societies, but they at least never publicly sponsored a whole lot. Maybe behind the scenes the greeks were involved, but probably just coincidentally, not directly.

My graduate school, on the other hand, had no greek life at all (mandated by the university), and yet the volunteering and social causes on that campus were much more prevalent than anywhere else I've seen. They clearly are not hurting for lack of greeks.

mab1823: PizzaJedi81: enmunate: This is rather bizarre... Why would a fraternity willingly go dry? There was a Sigma Nu on my campus that evaporated shortly after they went dry.

My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house. I think this is the best of both worlds. Less liability and more fun. Plus we always had designated drivers that would take anyone at the party home.

The minors went to the off campus house that the brothers had rented for nearly a decade to party before going to the house.

Just remember folks: All English Kings Drink Beer

I was Alpha-Pi out of Wabash College. What chapter were you?

Accept everyone kindly, dear brother.

/GK

I'm always surprised at the places I meet Kappa Sigs. :-)

PizzaJedi81: mab1823: PizzaJedi81: enmunate: This is rather bizarre... Why would a fraternity willingly go dry? There was a Sigma Nu on my campus that evaporated shortly after they went dry.

My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house. I think this is the best of both worlds. Less liability and more fun. Plus we always had designated drivers that would take anyone at the party home.

The minors went to the off campus house that the brothers had rented for nearly a decade to party before going to the house.

Just remember folks: All English Kings Drink Beer

I was Alpha-Pi out of Wabash College. What chapter were you?

Accept everyone kindly, dear brother.

/GK

I'm always surprised at the places I meet Kappa Sigs. :-)

Must not be a fun day to be in Lubbock.

/Boomer Sooner

Donnchadha: My experiences with greeks, of which I was not a member, does not reflect your claims. At my undergrad, Ohio U (the only good school in Ohio), there were many greek societies, but they at least never publicly sponsored a whole lot. Maybe behind the scenes the greeks were involved, but probably just coincidentally, not directly.

You're failin so hard right now, it's not funny. Everyone knows The Ohio State University is the best university in the state of Ohio.

mab1823: PizzaJedi81: mab1823: PizzaJedi81: enmunate: This is rather bizarre... Why would a fraternity willingly go dry? There was a Sigma Nu on my campus that evaporated shortly after they went dry.

My house had a rule where only those at the age of majority could rink in the house. Meaning, if you are less than 21 drink somewhere else before you get to the house. I think this is the best of both worlds. Less liability and more fun. Plus we always had designated drivers that would take anyone at the party home.

The minors went to the off campus house that the brothers had rented for nearly a decade to party before going to the house.

Just remember folks: All English Kings Drink Beer

I was Alpha-Pi out of Wabash College. What chapter were you?

Accept everyone kindly, dear brother.

/GK

I'm always surprised at the places I meet Kappa Sigs. :-)

Must not be a fun day to be in Lubbock.

/Boomer Sooner

Meh...moved here a year ago...don't really care.

red_dragon60:
I'm not surprised that the Pikes decided to stay wet.

Dude, seriously. WTF is wrong with the Pikes? Every single chapter I've heard of or dealt with is messed up.

It was fun while it lasted.

Dry, yeah right. Anyone want to take bets on how long it'll take until someone farks up or dies in one of these dry fraternities?

Here's a suggestion:

Don't be a dumbass. Quit raising insurance for the rest of us. I know that's hard at some campuses, but give it a shot. Goes for you sorority girls as well. Don't pawn off the liability on to the fraternities.



It'll be a cold day in Rolla before my fraternity goes dry. Maybe because we know how to drink, have fun, and not be dipshiats.

Wow, this may be the first frat thread on Fark where I haven't seen a hundred or so posts from GDIs ripping on fraternities.

Where have all those hypocrites gone?

Jjaro: As a Phi Psi at another college, I am very disappointed in the actions of the Phi Psis at Miami.

Oh, and this.

/Live ever
//Die never

SkippyTheFifthAndMostCommonlyOverlookedApocalypticHorseperson: red_dragon60: I graduated from Miami a few years ago so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

The Phi Delts are dry (the guys bragging about their GPA) because they got their house shut down a few years ago for being too rowdy. My guess is that their national chapter made them go dry to reopen, and now they're acting like it was their initiative.

Phi Delta Theta has been an internationally dry fraternity for quite a while now. I pledged in 2002... and we were dry then. Granted, there's "dry" and then there's dry. We were "dry," as I assume pretty much every other Phi Delt is. The Miami chapter wasn't asked to go dry because of their charter being in question, the chapter had their charter in question because they didn't go dry.

Yup, Phi Delt has been dry (alcohol not allowed on premises) since 2001. The chapter at Miami has a heck of a time having any fun, since the General Headquarters is about 3 blocks away.

I don't agree with the alcohol-free housing policy, but insurance rates mandate it.

/MA Gamma, 2007

It always warms my heart to find greeks in Fark.

Freshmen/Incoming Freshmen: If you think you want to join a Frat, I offer you this much better alternative:

Join the Rugby team.

As a Miami Univ and Lamb Chop alum, I'm not surprised in the least by this. Miami has been whittling away at their greek system for years.

I'm sure that many in the administration view greeks as a necessary evil on the campus. They can't get rid of the chapters, but they can restrict them to drive the vast majority into other amusements.

Forcing everyone to live on campus for their first two years seems like an aggressive step by the administration. Clearly they want to drive more housing revenues back into the system to subsidize other parts of the school. What's funny is that probably half of the women live on campus their second year anyway. It's the men that get punished by the rule change.

I miss college. Drinking heavily and sleeping with sorority girls, good times, good times.

13 years later I actually married one of the ones I dated in college, so sometimes it works out just perfect.

/Sig Ep

By "Pikes" I assume they mean Pi Kappa Alpha won't join the Dry Party? There's a suprise.

/sarcasm

Funk Brothers: Donnchadha: My experiences with greeks, of which I was not a member, does not reflect your claims. At my undergrad, Ohio U (the only good school in Ohio), there were many greek societies, but they at least never publicly sponsored a whole lot. Maybe behind the scenes the greeks were involved, but probably just coincidentally, not directly.

You're failin so hard right now, it's not funny. Everyone knows The Ohio State University is the best university in the state of Ohio.

Keep drinking the scarlet and grey Kool-Aid. A lot of the state schools in Ohio are pretty good for a couple things, and you don't get far hating on other Ohio scholars. Look north of the border for that :)

Miami and the Greeks have had a long and storied relationship. Phi Delt engaged in the Great Snowball Rebellion back in 1847 over, IIRC, regulating/shutting down fraternities. We need more organized snowball fights these days.

From what I've heard, the policy about sophmores living on campus is to lower the underage drinking rates and get better grades for the school. It was part of a big plan, along with more Friday classes and things like that. Only Greek conspiracy theorists think that the university would try to shut down fraternities on campus; Miami knows which side its bread is buttered on.

phikapmchugh: It always warms my heart to find greeks in Fark.

this

I love these threads. So fun to watch the Frat snobs fight the dorm/commuter snobs.

Ironclad2: SkippyTheFifthAndMostCommonlyOverlookedApocalypticHorseperson: red_dragon60: I graduated from Miami a few years ago so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...

The Phi Delts are dry (the guys bragging about their GPA) because they got their house shut down a few years ago for being too rowdy. My guess is that their national chapter made them go dry to reopen, and now they're acting like it was their initiative.

Phi Delta Theta has been an internationally dry fraternity for quite a while now. I pledged in 2002... and we were dry then. Granted, there's "dry" and then there's dry. We were "dry," as I assume pretty much every other Phi Delt is. The Miami chapter wasn't asked to go dry because of their charter being in question, the chapter had their charter in question because they didn't go dry.

Yup, Phi Delt has been dry (alcohol not allowed on premises) since 2001. The chapter at Miami has a heck of a time having any fun, since the General Headquarters is about 3 blocks away.

I don't agree with the alcohol-free housing policy, but insurance rates mandate it.

/MA Gamma, 2007

Huh. I didn't know Phis went dry. This is probably a good thing as it gets the crushing insurance costs down.

/in theta, 99