What, subby, none of your faves is up?

Poor farking baby. Go and cry in the corner.

I'm trying to think of someone good. Nita Lowey?

I'm a relative nobody. Plus am male, white and have a JD. Chuck (jewstudmediahound) if you're reading this, message me.

I'm not clicking on a redstate link, but if Andrew fng Cuomo is on that list I will personally campaign for whoever he runs against.

Um, vehicular manslaughters are 40 year senator and First Lady, respectively. Pot smoking cokeheads are Presidents. Alaska almost elected a recently convicted felon into their senate.

I don't think our standards all all that high.

I'd love to see Christine Quinn take her slush fund act to the Senate.

What if I didn't think Hillary was "underwhelming?" Who should I count on to tell me what to think?

Ray Nagin needs to be head of FEMA.

Six Months ago: "OMG! Obama has no experience!"

Today: "OMG! Obama is appointing experienced people!"

Get over it.

If you thought Hillary was underwhelming, just take a look at the collection of time-servers, hacks and weasels angling to replace her in the Senate. Daniel Patrick Moynihan spins in his grave

Do weasels angle? Wikipedia says they eat mammals.

I still don't get why Obama would even want Hillary in his administration. He can't trust her, she has significant baggage and did I mention she's batshiat insane? If I was building a team based on 'change' I also wouldn't start off by incorporating more of the same old faces in my new team. I'd find me some new folks who knew what they were doing and that I could trust to do a good job - not a batshiat insane 'old guard' political hack that couldn't be trusted with the office coffee machine fund, let alone put into a sensitive government position.

But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

Weaver95: But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

I tend to agree that he shouldn't have picked her, but imagine if this works out? Obama would be the greatest leader since Augustus.

DamnYankees: Weaver95: But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

I tend to agree that he shouldn't have picked her, but imagine if this works out? Obama would be the greatest leader since Augustus.

It won't work out. You cannot trust Hillary. She's a scorpion, she'll backstab Obama because that's just her nature.

Weaver95: It won't work out. You cannot trust Hillary. She's a scorpion, she'll backstab Obama because that's just her nature.

I agree with you. But Obama has showed a remarkable ability to defy expectations and come out on top. We'll have to see how this works.

DamnYankees: Weaver95: It won't work out. You cannot trust Hillary. She's a scorpion, she'll backstab Obama because that's just her nature.

I agree with you. But Obama has showed a remarkable ability to defy expectations and come out on top. We'll have to see how this works.

It's not that I doubt Obama, it's that I trust Hillary to be herself. And that means lies, betrayal, corruption and lots of backstabbing.

GaryPDX: Ray Nagin needs to be head of FEMA.

More like mayor of Hershey, Pennsylvania.

Weaver95: It's not that I doubt Obama, it's that I trust Hillary to be herself. And that means lies, betrayal, corruption and lots of backstabbing.

It means she will try it. No guarantees she'll succeed. Her boss has shown himself beyond formidable.

What Weaver95 said.

Weaver95: I still don't get why Obama would even want Hillary in his administration.

Because by doing this he effectively neutralizes her in the Senate. She will not have her Senate seat with which to push her own agenda at his expense. And if she does anything he doesn't like... well the Secretary of State serves at the pleasure of the President.

This is a very canny move on his part, because he will then be able to exert some influence to get a better team player into her Senate seat.

I hope Obama appoints some dem senators from states with rep governors to his cabinet.

You won't get your 60 then.

Code_Archeologist: This is a very canny move on his part, because he will then be able to exert some influence to get a better team player into her Senate se

Um, I'm gonna go with "no" on this one. She's much less dangerous in the senate where she is one of many than she is as the farkin SoS.

Weaver95: I still don't get why Obama would even want Hillary in his administration. He can't trust her, she has significant baggage and did I mention she's batshiat insane? If I was building a team based on 'change' I also wouldn't start off by incorporating more of the same old faces in my new team. I'd find me some new folks who knew what they were doing and that I could trust to do a good job - not a batshiat insane 'old guard' political hack that couldn't be trusted with the office coffee machine fund, let alone put into a sensitive government position.

But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

It confuses me as well. I can't think of really anything Hillary brings to the table and plenty of things that could potentially hinder her performance. Obama ran a rather tight ship during his campaign, so I'm tempted to think this was the product of a serious amount of deliberation. Problem is, I can't really think of what would have been considered such that this was seen as the proper choice.

Weaver95: I still don't get why Obama would even want Hillary in his administration

All the Clinton people just gives Obama cover for the inevitable Obama failures.

Everything will be about those dastardly Clinton people sabotaging Obama. No way will anything be Obama's fault.

Mugato: Um, vehicular manslaughters are 40 year senator and First Lady, respectively.

You need practice with using "respectively".

See, this is why I don't get this (or like it, either). How is the Secretary of State job for maybe 4 years (does anyone expect her to make it one full term, much less two?) better than her current Senate gig, which is pretty much hers for as long as she wants it, with all the clout that comes with accrued time?

barneyfifesbullet: Weaver95: I still don't get why Obama would even want Hillary in his administration

All the Clinton people just gives Obama cover for the inevitable Obama failures.

Everything will be about those dastardly Clinton people sabotaging Obama. No way will anything be Obama's fault.

You truly have nothing to offer. Another troll just made the ignore list...

DrBenway: See, this is why I don't get this (or like it, either). How is the Secretary of State job for maybe 4 years (does anyone expect her to make it one full term, much less two?) better than her current Senate gig, which is pretty much hers for as long as she wants it, with all the clout that comes with accrued time?

If Obama is a good prez, she will be tied to him and able to ride his coattails in '16, whereas if she was in the senate someone from his admin would probably be next dem prez candidate.

The downside is, if Obama is an Epic FAIL, she is still tied to him.

Oldiron_79: DrBenway: See, this is why I don't get this (or like it, either). How is the Secretary of State job for maybe 4 years (does anyone expect her to make it one full term, much less two?) better than her current Senate gig, which is pretty much hers for as long as she wants it, with all the clout that comes with accrued time?

If Obama is a good prez, she will be tied to him and able to ride his coattails in '16, whereas if she was in the senate someone from his admin would probably be next dem prez candidate.

The downside is, if Obama is an Epic FAIL, she is still tied to him.

No Sec. of State has gone on to be President since James Buchanan. It's not a very good stepping stone.

DamnYankees: I'm trying to think of someone good. Nita Lowey?

What's she been up to, anyways? I always thought she'd be in for a mondo reward for stepping aside and allowing Clinton to get the Democratic Senate nomination without a fight. They put her on Appropriations, but her seniority should have put her there anyway.

I think you're right. She should certainly be in consideration just from a political standpoint.

Weaver95: DamnYankees: Weaver95: But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

I tend to agree that he shouldn't have picked her, but imagine if this works out? Obama would be the greatest leader since Augustus.

It won't work out. You cannot trust Hillary. She's a scorpion, she'll backstab Obama because that's just her nature.

I don't know how she'll do it. But she just will. BECAUSE! She's just like that, you know. She's gonna backstab him. Maybe it will be the luncheon raffle. Maybe it will be the superbowl pool. But somehow, some way, she's gonna backstab him. I just KNOW, man!

DamnYankees:

Oldiron_79: DrBenway: See, this is why I don't get this (or like it, either). How is the Secretary of State job for maybe 4 years (does anyone expect her to make it one full term, much less two?) better than her current Senate gig, which is pretty much hers for as long as she wants it, with all the clout that comes with accrued time?

If Obama is a good prez, she will be tied to him and able to ride his coattails in '16, whereas if she was in the senate someone from his admin would probably be next dem prez candidate.

The downside is, if Obama is an Epic FAIL, she is still tied to him.

No Sec. of State has gone on to be President since James Buchanan. It's not a very good stepping stone.


Precisely. Seems like she would have a more independent voice, and more clout, continuing to serve in the Senate rather than fronting Obama's international agenda at State. Not that SoS isn't a very important and prestigious position, but it doesn't sound like as good a fit. Maybe she'll surprise us to the good, though.

Subby completely and utterly fails.

If there's one thing Hillary is not, it's underwhelming. And what is the problem with any of the people mentioned? You don't like the possibility of a lesbian in the senate? You don't like politicians being political? Boofrigginhoo.

I think Paterson should choose Shelly Silver or Malcolm Smith. They're stonewalling the shiat out of him in the state legislature. Give them something else to do.

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GaryPDX: Ray Nagin needs to be head of FEMA.

I think not. Nagin has never even run an Arabian horse show!

DamnYankees: Oldiron_79: DrBenway: See, this is why I don't get this (or like it, either). How is the Secretary of State job for maybe 4 years (does anyone expect her to make it one full term, much less two?) better than her current Senate gig, which is pretty much hers for as long as she wants it, with all the clout that comes with accrued time?

If Obama is a good prez, she will be tied to him and able to ride his coattails in '16, whereas if she was in the senate someone from his admin would probably be next dem prez candidate.

The downside is, if Obama is an Epic FAIL, she is still tied to him.

No Sec. of State has gone on to be President since James Buchanan. It's not a very good stepping stone.

Who says Biden still has to be Veep in '12?

DamnYankees: Oldiron_79: DrBenway: See, this is why I don't get this (or like it, either). How is the Secretary of State job for maybe 4 years (does anyone expect her to make it one full term, much less two?) better than her current Senate gig, which is pretty much hers for as long as she wants it, with all the clout that comes with accrued time?

If Obama is a good prez, she will be tied to him and able to ride his coattails in '16, whereas if she was in the senate someone from his admin would probably be next dem prez candidate.

The downside is, if Obama is an Epic FAIL, she is still tied to him.

No Sec. of State has gone on to be President since James Buchanan. It's not a very good stepping stone.

It's not a very good stepping stone any more. Time was, it, more than the office of vice president, was a stepping stone. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, John Quincy Adams and Martin Van Buren were all secretaries of state.

Oh, no! The governor of New York is going to appoint a Democrat to replace Clinton! Obama lied about nonpartisan cooperation!

I don't think Hillary's the one Obama needs to worry about, if she's Secretary of State I'm sure she'll behave herself because she's not an idiot. Bill's the one that needs to be neutralized, and if Hillary gets the SoS job, Bill's going to have to stop running around the world saying potentially damaging stuff.

DamnYankees: Weaver95: It won't work out. You cannot trust Hillary. She's a scorpion, she'll backstab Obama because that's just her nature.

I agree with you. But Obama has showed a remarkable ability to defy expectations and come out on top. We'll have to see how this works.

Never pegged Obama as a top.

DamnYankees: I tend to agree that he shouldn't have picked her, but imagine if this works out? Obama would be the greatest leader since Augustus.

I think that's less likely than Giuliani's Florida strategy working out.

TheRaven7: I don't know how she'll do it. But she just will. BECAUSE! She's just like that, you know. She's gonna backstab him. Maybe it will be the luncheon raffle. Maybe it will be the superbowl pool. But somehow, some way, she's gonna backstab him. I just KNOW, man!

So you're saying Hillary is trustworthy and honorable?

Someone call Spitzer! That would really set the Real Americans off!

DamnYankees:
Weaver95: But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

I tend to agree that he shouldn't have picked her, but imagine if this works out? Obama would be the greatest leader since Augustus.

Bingo. could be precisely what he has in mind. Obama wants to prove something.

Weaver95: It's not that I doubt Obama, it's that I trust Hillary to be herself. And that means lies, betrayal, corruption and lots of backstabbing.


Perfect qualities for a successful SofS.

Snarfangel:
Because by doing this he effectively neutralizes her in the Senate. She will not have her Senate seat with which to push her own agenda at his expense. And if she does anything he doesn't like... well the Secretary of State serves at the pleasure of the President.

This is a very canny move on his part, because he will then be able to exert some influence to get a better team player into her Senate seat.

Another bingo.

i has an internet: It confuses me as well. I can't think of really anything Hillary brings to the table and plenty of things that could potentially hinder her performance. Obama ran a rather tight ship during his campaign, so I'm tempted to think this was the product of a serious amount of deliberation. Problem is, I can't really think of what would have been considered such that this was seen as the proper choice.


Think outside the box. Remember the trial balloon about BILL Clinton for "some high post" in the UN? Imagine Hillary as SofS and Bill Clinton as UN Secretary General. Now think about that in terms of US control of the whole fuking world.

barneyfifesbullet: All the Clinton people just gives Obama cover for the inevitable Obama failures. Everything will be about those dastardly Clinton people sabotaging Obama. No way will anything be Obama's fault.

And, once again, another bingo. At least in this one respect, Obama is a genius.

dervish16108: DamnYankees: I tend to agree that he shouldn't have picked her, but imagine if this works out? Obama would be the greatest leader since Augustus.

I think that's less likely than Giuliani's Florida strategy working out.

I'm glad it didn't work out(I'd have voted dem before I'd have voted 9u11ani)

but if you was gonna do his FL plan, you should have at least campaigned in NH even if you wasn't gonna campaign in IA or WY.

I love how Obama's, Biden's and Clinton's seats are all ending up in the samme battle-of-wits limbo.

As far as Hillary: it may be more theoretical power, but in practice Hillary has very little room to maneuver. Obama looks like he may have outsmarted her. Dangle the big position in front of her, he knows she'll take it.

It's a trap. She gives up the Senate seat and now she is little more than Obama's employee. If she or Bill makes ham-handed power plays to set up for a 2012 or 2016 run, as opposed to simply doing the job for which she was hired, Obama ousts her and then she has nothing.

As a Senator, she has less theoretical power, but more room to undermine Obama without him being able to do much to stop her.
As a Cabinet member, she has more theoretical power, but no room to abuse it.

Weaver95: I still don't get why Obama would even want Hillary in his administration. He can't trust her, she has significant baggage and did I mention she's batshiat insane? If I was building a team based on 'change' I also wouldn't start off by incorporating more of the same old faces in my new team. I'd find me some new folks who knew what they were doing and that I could trust to do a good job - not a batshiat insane 'old guard' political hack that couldn't be trusted with the office coffee machine fund, let alone put into a sensitive government position.

Your hatred for Hillary is well noted. She also has no power anymore outside the scope of Obama. That's why he did it. She can't cockblock him in the Senate.

But hey, that's just me. Obama can (and will) do whatever he wants. It's interesting to see him make such major mistakes so early in his new job. I'll give Hillary maybe 6 months before she screws him over somehow. 8 months at the outside. She can't help herself, she's just that kind of person.

"Major mistakes"? I don't think we can judge quite yet. I am sure he'll make a few major mistakes, but at least let's wait until he's thrown out W's collection of RIF books until we crucify him.

what_now: I'm not clicking on a redstate link, but if Andrew fng Cuomo is on that list I will personally campaign for whoever he runs against.

I'm with you. Where do I sign up