there's a surprise, another anti-holder article from reason.

Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

There's a surprise - the Supremes left the door wide-open on registration and lo and behold! The Democrats want to register firearms. Again. Or is it "still?"

Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

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Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

Second. Grow up, haters.

burndtdan: there's a surprise, another anti-holder article from reason.

Why is this a surprise. Reason has been critical of Bush, McCain, Barr, and Obama. They're consistent in their criticism and the reasons they criticize.

Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then

plenty of legislation is written by the justice department then shepherded through congress.

what part of "well regulated" do we not understand?

Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

The executive branch writes quite a bit of our law and finds congresspersons to sponsor them.

And they generate all of our regulations.

And they provide influential testimony to Congress when they are considering laws.

angryjd: Second. Grow up, haters.

What then shall we do with the lovers? It is pretty dangerous to decide that anything an authority figure does is OK, as long as he is on your team.

slayer199: burndtdan: there's a surprise, another anti-holder article from reason.

Why is this a surprise. Reason has been critical of Bush, McCain, Barr, and Obama. They're consistent in their criticism and the reasons they criticize.

i was being sarcastic, but mostly because this is the second in as many days that went green, and there have been more that didn't.

just getting tired of repetitive submissions.

/by the way, if you didn't know, obama is going to appoint (insert name), and that is apparently not change, but rather more of the same

I'M SO MAD THAT OBAMA'S NOT HIRING LIBERTARIANS!

OBAMA SAID CHANGE AND EVERYONE KNOWS CHANGE = LIBERTARIAN!

You guys who believed him are all suckers.

The Sheeple just keep on supporting their two party system.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

/obligatory

Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

Would it be okay if had proposed legislation aimed at reducing abortion rights, including waiting periods and parental notification until age 21?

burndtdan: slayer199: burndtdan: there's a surprise, another anti-holder article from reason.

Why is this a surprise. Reason has been critical of Bush, McCain, Barr, and Obama. They're consistent in their criticism and the reasons they criticize.

i was being sarcastic, but mostly because this is the second in as many days that went green, and there have been more that didn't.

just getting tired of repetitive submissions.

/by the way, if you didn't know, obama is going to appoint (insert name), and that is apparently not change, but rather more of the same

Didn't matter who was elected, from the Libertarian POV we're all screwed.

slayer199: Didn't matter who was elected, from the Libertarian POV we're all screwed.

ultimately my point is i wish they'd find a new and interesting way to express that. i'm bored, and i'm tired of reading the same threads i read yesterday and the day before.

pandabear: Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

The executive branch writes quite a bit of our law and finds congresspersons to sponsor them.

And they generate all of our regulations.

And they provide influential testimony to Congress when they are considering laws.

angryjd: Second. Grow up, haters.

What then shall we do with the lovers? It is pretty dangerous to decide that anything an authority figure does is OK, as long as he is on your team.


Your post would make perfect sense if the foundation ("Obama wants to take away our guns! hurrr!") wasn't based on wild speculation gleaned from... absolutely nothing.

tallguywithglasseson: I'M SO MAD THAT OBAMA'S NOT HIRING LIBERTARIANS!

OBAMA SAID CHANGE AND EVERYONE KNOWS CHANGE = LIBERTARIAN!


I find libertarians annoying. I mean, literally the most annoying people on earth. They seem to think they've "found" the holy grail of politics or something.

Stand for something other than yourself.

Stand for something other than yourself.

they are--personal liberty for all

As someone who voted for Obama, and would fall more on the gun control side of the fence, I will be very disappointed if Obama sends any gun control legislation to congress. I think the nation and the courts have made it pretty clear that private gun ownership (handgun, rifle, shotgun, hell even assault weapons) is not an issue that is up for debate.

Heck of a headline you have there, subby.

I'm sure the Obama Administration's gun-control policy will meet with all the success of the Bush Administration's social-security privatization policy.

They're both third-rail issues, folks.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: I'm sure the Obama Administration's gun-control policy will meet with all the success of the Bush Administration's social-security privatization policy.

They're both third-rail issues, folks.

Srsly. As Bill Clinton said: "They cut us a new one over the assault weapons ban."

slayer199: burndtdan: there's a surprise, another anti-holder article from reason.

Why is this a surprise. Reason has been critical of Bush, McCain, Barr, and Obama. They're consistent in their criticism and the reasons they criticize

Agreed. I may not always agree with them, but Reason doesn't seem to carry water for either party. They stick with their principles, misguided or otherwise.

albo: Stand for something other than yourself.

they are--personal liberty for all

Actually, just about every Libertarian I've ever met had a rather passive-aggressive attitude towards personal liberty.

Aggressive about their own, passive about others.

albo: Stand for something other than yourself.

they are--personal liberty for all

The biggest problem that I have with libertarians is that they will say that "the people" are responsible enough to take care of themselves without government intervention, then in the same breath say that "the people" are idiots and sheep because they didn't vote libertarian.

So... which is it?

Yeah, fu*k this choice.

NightOwl2255: As someone who voted for Obama, and would fall more on the gun control side of the fence, I will be very disappointed if Obama sends any gun control legislation to congress. I think the nation and the courts have made it pretty clear that private gun ownership (handgun, rifle, shotgun, hell even assault weapons) is not an issue that is up for debate.

Thank you for seeing reason on this. I was in the last debate we had on here on Holder. He is qualified and Obama won. This doesn't mean I like it but hell He has to be better than Alberto Gonzalez.

Ain't gonna happen.

/Can't wait for Obama to replace Dubya.

//In the first term, if all we do is correct the monstrous mistakes of the neo-Con years, that will be a fine start.

I don't like that guy because of his pro death penalty stance. You gotta be a megatard to support the death penalty as it is set up in America and you have to be a super-megatard to support it if you're a black guy.

Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

But the AG sure can ignore it, as Ashcroft and Gonzales more than amply demonstrate.

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN

/ 4 more years of Janet Reno-style justice
// Suck it, libertytards

bud jones: what part of "well regulated" do we not understand?

The part where the government defines it.

First, no one is taking your guns. Stop being whiny biatches about it.

Secondly, anyone else remember the story (it was on Fark) from Katrina where FEMA people went around and actually did take peoples guns and, being the strong willed rugged individualists they are, the people just gave them up?

tallguywithglasseson: I'M SO MAD THAT OBAMA'S NOT HIRING LIBERTARIANS!

OBAMA SAID CHANGE AND EVERYONE KNOWS CHANGE = LIBERTARIAN!

You guys who believed him are all suckers.

The Sheeple just keep on supporting their two party system.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

/obligatory

RON PAUL1!!

angryjd: Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

Second. Grow up, haters.

One proposed "assault weapons ban" in 2007 would have given the United States Attorney General discretion to classify any given firearm as an "assault weapon" and thus prohibit its manufacture or transfer.

BTW - what's up with reason magazine and Eric Holder? Did reason put out on the first date and Holder never called?

TraeHova: Your post would make perfect sense if the foundation ("Obama wants to take away our guns! hurrr!") wasn't based on wild speculation gleaned from... absolutely nothing.

I believe that you have confused Mr. Obama's past voting history in the Illinois senate, his stated positions on firearms regulations and his stated intention regarding firearms regulation that he would advocate as President with "nothing".

Dimensio: angryjd: Instant Karma: Well I guess it is a good thing the AG doesn't write or sign legislation then.

Second. Grow up, haters.

One proposed "assault weapons ban" in 2007 would have given the United States Attorney General discretion to classify any given firearm as an "assault weapon" and thus prohibit its manufacture or transfer.

Good. That way when me and the UN come in our black helicopters it will be so easier to subjugate the masses to our whims. Then we will rule over you all for some poorly thought out reason.

attackingpencil:
Secondly, anyone else remember the story (it was on Fark) from Katrina where FEMA people went around and actually did take peoples guns and, being the strong willed rugged individualists they are, the people just gave them up?

What would you suggest the people remaining in New Orleans should have done? Shot the police or national guardsmen that busted in or searched without warrants?

/wasn't in Katrina

attackingpencil: First, no one is taking your guns. Stop being whiny biatches about it. Secondly, anyone else remember the story (it was on Fark) from Katrina where FEMA people went around and actually did take peoples guns and, being the strong willed rugged individualists they are, the people just gave them up?

I also remember that once people gave up their guns, they were unable to defend their property when people came and looted their shiat.

I also remember some people didn't give up their guns. They used those guns against people stupid enough to give up their guns.



I also remember certain people were allowed to carry guns. I guess the constitution only applies to privatized paramilitary contractors and not civilians.

Rapmaster2000: Good. That way when me and the UN come in our black helicopters it will be so easier to subjugate the masses to our whims. Then we will rule over you all for some poorly thought out reason.

Do you have any statement of substance to offer?

SaintAnky: attackingpencil:
Secondly, anyone else remember the story (it was on Fark) from Katrina where FEMA people went around and actually did take peoples guns and, being the strong willed rugged individualists they are, the people just gave them up?

What would you suggest the people remaining in New Orleans should have done? Shot the police or national guardsmen that busted in or searched without warrants? /i>

Such an action would have been justifiable. The individuals who ordered and executed the unlawful confiscations deserved to die.

Dimensio: Rapmaster2000: Good. That way when me and the UN come in our black helicopters it will be so easier to subjugate the masses to our whims. Then we will rule over you all for some poorly thought out reason.

Do you have any statement of substance to offer?

I'm just letting you know how it's all going to go down. Don't throw out those Y2K provisions just yet.

Rapmaster2000: I'm just letting you know how it's all going to go down. Don't throw out those Y2K provisions just yet.

I possess no "Y2K provisions". I correctly anticipated that concerns regarding widespread calamity following January 1, 2000 had no basis in reality and thus I did not forsee any need for emergency provisioning.

The guy at the end of the thread: attackingpencil: First, no one is taking your guns. Stop being whiny biatches about it. Secondly, anyone else remember the story (it was on Fark) from Katrina where FEMA people went around and actually did take peoples guns and, being the strong willed rugged individualists they are, the people just gave them up?

I also remember that once people gave up their guns, they were unable to defend their property when people came and looted their shiat.

I also remember some people didn't give up their guns. They used those guns against people stupid enough to give up their guns.



I also remember certain people were allowed to carry guns. I guess the constitution only applies to privatized paramilitary contractors and not civilians.

I was just making a point about all the people who loudly yell about how they'd shoot whoever came to take their guns. They won't, they'll just meekly hand them over, because that's what people do. They may biatch and moan but they'll hand them over. But, like I said, it doesn't really matter because no one is going to take away your guns.

Rapmaster2000: Dimensio: Rapmaster2000: Good. That way when me and the UN come in our black helicopters it will be so easier to subjugate the masses to our whims. Then we will rule over you all for some poorly thought out reason.

Do you have any statement of substance to offer?

I'm just letting you know how it's all going to go down. Don't throw out those Y2K provisions just yet.


Yes. Throw them away. They're almost nine years old.

attackingpencil: But, like I said, it doesn't really matter because no one is going to take away your guns.

Unfortunately, there do exist politicians who would, if they could obtain the support, enact firearm confiscation. Diane Feinstein originally desired a complete ban -- including confiscation -- on "assault weapons" when the original ban was enacted; she acknowledged that, had she the support in Congress, she would have mandated that all existing owned "assault weapons" be confiscated by the government.

Holder believed that DC residents had no right to self defense in their own homes.

It's in the amicus brief he filed in DC v Heller. Not only did he think DC residents had no right to own firearms, they had no right to defend themselves either.

The guy's a scumbag.

attackingpencil: The guy at the end of the thread: attackingpencil: First, no one is taking your guns. Stop being whiny biatches about it. Secondly, anyone else remember the story (it was on Fark) from Katrina where FEMA people went around and actually did take peoples guns and, being the strong willed rugged individualists they are, the people just gave them up?

I also remember that once people gave up their guns, they were unable to defend their property when people came and looted their shiat.

I also remember some people didn't give up their guns. They used those guns against people stupid enough to give up their guns.



I also remember certain people were allowed to carry guns. I guess the constitution only applies to privatized paramilitary contractors and not civilians.

I was just making a point about all the people who loudly yell about how they'd shoot whoever came to take their guns. They won't, they'll just meekly hand them over, because that's what people do. They may biatch and moan but they'll hand them over. But, like I said, it doesn't really matter because no one is going to take away your guns.

Bite me. They won't be taking my rifles/shotguns/pistols because I will conveniently misplace them. Oops.

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