Mr. Obama first wants to confer with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and his new political appointees at the Pentagon to reach a consensus and then present legislation to Congress, the advisers said.

This man is history's greatest monster.

WTF is wrong with him? I know there's a sluggish economy and two wars going on, but come on Obama. Gays in the military should be your top priority.

For as much as I hate that stupid friggin' policy, I'm totally OK with going slow on it.

Slow and steady wins the race.

Diogenes: Slow and steady wins the race.

Mmmmmhm.

I think he's being smart about it.

It's fairly controversial in some circles, so I think he's right to go about this in a pragmatic manner.

Frankly at this point I think gays in the military are more concerned about the stop loss program than anything else.

Well... he has a lot of issues around implementation to work out. For example, should he really appoint gays into the military, or would it be more efficient to go around and make some of the soldiers we already have homosexual, thus saving on recruiting cost.

Well, he's got to increase the tax on ammo 1000% first, start that kindergarten sex-ed program, make us wait months on end for any sort of medical care, and take all of our money away and give it to black welfare mothers, and THEN he'll get on that gays in the military thing again.

clgrin: Well... he has a lot of issues around implementation to work out. For example, should he really appoint gays into the military, or would it be more efficient to go around and make some of the soldiers we already have homosexual, thus saving on recruiting cost.

It would certainly cut down on the cost of army bunks, since we could fit two soldiers on each one.

Rev. Skarekroe: Well, he's got to increase the tax on ammo 1000% first, start that kindergarten sex-ed program, make us wait months on end for any sort of medical care, and take all of our money away and give it to black welfare mothers, and THEN he'll get on that gays in the military thing again.

Don't forget that he needs to kill talk radio first. Jan 20th is Limbaugh's last day on the air dontcha' know.

Snarfangel: clgrin: Well... he has a lot of issues around implementation to work out. For example, should he really appoint gays into the military, or would it be more efficient to go around and make some of the soldiers we already have homosexual, thus saving on recruiting cost.

It would certainly cut down on the cost of army bunks, since we could fit two soldiers on each one.

We are willing to learn.

I don't understand why Gays would want to serve in the military to begin with. Why would you want to defend a country that consistently treats you as a second class citizen? Let the Mormons do it.

lajimi: I don't understand why Gays would want to serve in the military to begin with. Why would you want to defend a country that consistently treats you as a second class citizen?

Because you get to blow stuff up.

Diogenes: I'm totally OK with going slow on it.

are you also ok with cuddling afterward?

Act on it in what way?

What are his theoretical changes on the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy?

Snarfangel: lajimi: I don't understand why Gays would want to serve in the military to begin with. Why would you want to defend a country that consistently treats you as a second class citizen?

Because you get to blow stuff up.

yep.
when you take out a mosque where the religious fundamentalists who are unwilling to die for their cause are drumming up strategies to get other people to die for them, it feels almost as good as taking out a college republican meeting!

I can't wait until the government, particularly the conservatives, come to the realization that they really can't legislate every little thing.

Particularly the conservatives because they claim on one hand to want small government, then on the other want the government to expand its powers into the private lives of its citizens. Odd.

Glad to see he's a champion of equal rights... when he decides to get around to it.

/Oh yeah, this is Fark. We try to excuse everything Obama does.

I find it interesting that the same people who are against allowing gays to get married are also against allowing them to serve in the military.

Not only do they want to deny them what any other American can enjoy, they want to deny them the chance to prove that they're worthy of it!

Diogenes: Slow and steady wins the race.

You've obviously never seen a Kenyan in a race.

You've got to pick your battles wisely. God, guns, and gays are just a distraction from the real issues.

Nabb1: It's fairly controversial in some circles, so I think he's right to go about this in a pragmatic manner.

Not really, not by anybody actually IN the Military, except the same sort of redneck crackers who were opposed to integration back in the 50's in other words about 3/4 of the enlisted infantry and marines.


truthfully though the military's got no leg left ot stand on regarding this issue. For the last 2-3 years they've been refusing to discharge anyone for being gay no matter how flagrantly they violate "don't ask/Don't Tell" Why? Because frankly they can't afford the loss in manpower with their abysmal recruiting rates-that and they know once they do every straight soldier facing stop loss is going to start Kissing their CO on the lips.

However since they've effectively been allowing gays to serve openly and there has been no reported meltdown of unit order and discipline, (just as women are now de facto in combat roles and that too has failed to cause the apocalypse) They've got no other argument except biogtry now

Diogenes: For as much as I hate that stupid friggin' policy, I'm totally OK with going slow on it.

Slow and steady wins the race.

Dude, the black guy won. You don't have to play the race card anymore.

He just became instantly politically smarter than Bill Clinton.

You see, part of the problem with when Bill Clinton implemented the policy was because:
1. He never campaigned on the issue
2. He had never served in the armed forces himself

Any fool could figure out that to immediately choose this issue as your first act as President is completely politically retarded. And it led to the Republican takeover in 1994.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Act on it in what way?

What are his theoretical changes on the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy?

I'm guessing that the policy will be shorter by two words.

Magorn: Nabb1: It's fairly controversial in some circles, so I think he's right to go about this in a pragmatic manner.

Not really, not by anybody actually IN the Military, except the same sort of redneck crackers who were opposed to integration back in the 50's in other words about 3/4 of the enlisted infantry and marines.

Who cares? Tell them to shut up and soldier. Issue the order, make it clear that it'd be a Really Bad Career Move to command the unit that supplies the first gay discrimination courts-martial case, and move the fark on to important matters. It's good enough for the Israeli Army.

GoDawgs! [TotalFark] Quote 2008-11-21 10:19:49 AM
WTF is wrong with him? I know there's a sluggish economy and two wars going on, but come on Obama. Gays in the military should be your top priority.

Top priority? please.....it takes one 5 second stroke of a pen.....if he believed in the promises he made........well....

Besides....didn't he say he could do more than one thing at a time?

So what you're saying GoDawgs! is that Obama is SO LAME that he can't take 5 seconds to say that gays can openly serve in the military because he's so bamboozled by the economy?

wow....what amazing leadership...

or maybe just one of many forthcoming OBAMA FAILS at PROMISE KEEPING

quickdraw: Rev. Skarekroe: Well, he's got to increase the tax on ammo 1000% first, start that kindergarten sex-ed program, make us wait months on end for any sort of medical care, and take all of our money away and give it to black welfare mothers, and THEN he'll get on that gays in the military thing again.

Don't forget that he needs to kill talk radio first. Jan 20th is Limbaugh's last day on the air dontcha' know.

I read that as 'He needs to kill Limbaugh.'

That would probably get him more approval.

It's called being callously pragmatic.

After two extended wars, Obama can't screw with the armed forces much at all.

Why I bet he is going to be so evil as to insist on 15 and 16 month combat tours of duty and multiple tours without leave. And sending men unfit for duty due to combat injuries back into service. He's a socialist. Socialists do those evil things, you know.

Renart: Sir, you can't let the gays in here! They'll see everything! They'll see the big board!

Haha, awesome.

Rev. Skarekroe: Well, he's got to increase the tax on ammo 1000% first, start that kindergarten sex-ed program, make us wait months on end for any sort of medical care, and take all of our money away and give it to black welfare mothers, and THEN he'll get on that gays in the military thing again.

I can't tell if your factually accurate points are made sarcastically or not.

libbynomore2: OBAMA FAILS at PROMISE KEEPING

So...you're pro-gays in the military now?

TheShavingofOccam123 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-11-21 01:17:29 PM
It's called being callously pragmatic.

After two extended wars, Obama can't screw with the armed forces much at all.

After all of the promises of CHANGING the military, and with moron Obama voters who voted for that .......NOW all of a sudden you're claiming to think " pragmatically??? "

Puleeeze!

Sorry, the words are both " hypocritically " and " dishonestly "

TheShavingofOccam123: Why I bet he is going to be so evil as to insist on 15 and 16 month combat tours of duty and multiple tours without leave. And sending men unfit for duty due to combat injuries back into service. He's a socialist. Socialists do those evil things, you know.

Hah. Hahahah. Hah.

I see what you did there.

Yeah, he should just hurry up and get it over with. Because this country is obviously so greatly accepting of homosexuals.

Abner Doon: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: Act on it in what way?

What are his theoretical changes on the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy?

I'm guessing that the policy will be shorter by two words.

Why not three?

libbynomore2: After all of the promises of CHANGING the military

Such as?

Shaggy_C Quote 2008-11-21 01:19:37 PM
libbynomore2: OBAMA FAILS at PROMISE KEEPING

So...you're pro-gays in the military now?

The point is HE, the messiah said HE is....and he promised to overturn " don't ask, don't tell "

I broke no promise....your messiah did.....one of many and the dude isn't even sworn in yet.

of course, knowing the fact that most Obama supporters are dolts and don't even know who controls Congress, I'm not at all surprised that they ( you ) don't even have a clue what promises were made ( an will ultimately be broken ) by their ( your ) god....

libbynomore2: TheShavingofOccam123 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-11-21 01:17:29 PM
It's called being callously pragmatic.

After two extended wars, Obama can't screw with the armed forces much at all.

After all of the promises of CHANGING the military, and with moron Obama voters who voted for that .......NOW all of a sudden you're claiming to think " pragmatically??? "

You're right; everyone who voted for Obama truly believed that he would announce an immediate end to Don't Ask Don't Tell more than a month before taking office, and then implement it immediately without consulting with the Joint Chiefs or the Pentagon, or even getting any legislation through Congress.

You're making a fool of yourself.

GAYS???

In the MILITARY???

The hell you say!

libbynomore2: Shaggy_C Quote 2008-11-21 01:19:37 PM
libbynomore2: OBAMA FAILS at PROMISE KEEPING

So...you're pro-gays in the military now?

The point is HE, the messiah said HE is....and he promised to overturn " don't ask, don't tell "

I broke no promise....your messiah did.....one of many and the dude isn't even sworn in yet.

of course, knowing the fact that most Obama supporters are dolts and don't even know who controls Congress, I'm not at all surprised that they ( you ) don't even have a clue what promises were made ( an will ultimately be broken ) by their ( your ) god....

What a sad, lonely existence you must have.

Or is speculation only alright when you do it?

someonelse: libbynomore2: TheShavingofOccam123 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-11-21 01:17:29 PM
It's called being callously pragmatic.

After two extended wars, Obama can't screw with the armed forces much at all.

After all of the promises of CHANGING the military, and with moron Obama voters who voted for that .......NOW all of a sudden you're claiming to think " pragmatically??? "

You're right; everyone who voted for Obama truly believed that he would announce an immediate end to Don't Ask Don't Tell more than a month before taking office, and then implement it immediately without consulting with the Joint Chiefs or the Pentagon, or even getting any legislation through Congress.

You're making a fool of yourself.

"Making"?

It doesn't make sense to expect a black politician to make helping gays any type of priority at all.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf Quote 2008-11-21 01:27:14 PM
libbynomore2: After all of the promises of CHANGING the military

Such as?

SUCH AS TAKING 5 SECONDS TO SAY THAT IT'S OK FOR GAYS TO SERVE OPENLY IN THE MILITARY...JUST LIKE HE PROMISED HE WOULD!!!


/Just one of many promises to be broken by the messiah.

the next 4 years will be filled with this phrase:

Another Obama FAIL

Get used to it.

libbynomore2: blablabal

You're behaving like the teenage girl whose parents ask her to take out the trash and she responds by screaming "YOU'RE RUINING MY LIFE!! I HATE ALL OF YOU!!" and then runs to her room and slams the door and posts terrible poetry on the internets.