And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.

~Bill O'Reilly

All three of those guys are assholes

"Too many dumb people, we need to thin out the herd" - Glenn Beck

Help us all out Glenn, and suck on a .44

Glenn Beck is the dumbest person with a job on TV.

Anybody ever notice that when people use the "didn't do enough" quote to show how evil he is, they always cut it off in the same part...you know, the part right before he says something about wanting to end the war?

I'm not condoning the use of violence. And, I think he did some idiotic things and he should've been punished within our justice system.

But, it really is disingenuous to cut off his quote like that, because it kinda has an effect on what he saying.

Haha, them talking about the constitution hanging in the balance, and how we don't have enough outrage.

These from the people who defended Bush for the past 8 years without shame.

"...lost moral outrage about everything..."

Wow. And who do you think is to blame for THAT?

No more moral outrage?

The man hasn't really paid much attention for the last 10 years has he?

Though, I suppose it depends on what you hold as moral.

I find it outrageous that people are looking to alter the Constitution to justify their homophobia, and to intrude their religious views on the bulk of the population, who may or may not share their religious views.

I find it outrageous that we are incarcerating more of our citizens than ever, and continuing a failed drug policy that only generates revenue for a prison industry.

I find it outrageous that religious leaders are trying to promulgate their beliefs in science classes, and erode the protections of the separation of church and state.

I find it outrageous that we are eroding education to such a dangerous degree. I find it outrageous that we are instigating what amounts to class warfare, and our states and cities are bearing the brunt of it. I find it outrageous that Civics education has been brought so low, that we can have a Vice Presidential candidate who doesn't know what the office of the Vice President does, and the bulk of the populace doesn't blow a gasket at that level of blind ignorance.

I find it outrageous that we are engaged in a war that has done nothing but act as a recruiting board for Al Qaida and radicalized the Middle East further, damaging our efforts to bring these terrorists to justice.

There is a great deal of moral outrage left. The problem is, that it is directed at the radicals who have held the GOP hostage for several years, and it's a divide that Bill O'Reilly is on the wrong side of--and not from some personal agenda or particular belief, but because it's profitable to spout this idiotic rhetoric--and worse, promotes a self satisfied shedding of any responsibility.

I take that back--Bill O'Reilly is NOT responsible for the mass shedding of responsibility by the American people. It's systemic, and is on both sides of the politcal aisle and is much more of a cultural shift towards more a shame based culture, than one driven by responsibility.

People simply don't take responsibility any more. They look to blame. They look for anyone else to point fingers at. Liberals. Conservatives. The Religious Right. Secular Humanists. Neocons. Tax and spend Liberals. Muslims. Christians. Anyone else, than accepting that WE have pooped in our own dog dish, and that we've taken our eyes off the prize for a while now.

Our schools are in shambles, yet we refuse to examine what WE'VE done with ballot initiative after ballot initiative to their funding and running. We have an economy that is crashing, and we point to nebulous boogey-men, as opposed to our own lack of oversight and lack of demands for it. We have a disastrous foreign policy, that we point fingers at GW and his ilk for, but that we stood complicit with and allowed to continue--electing the man for a second term, despite knowing he lied to get us on board.

WE need to share in this, and that is perhaps where a lot of the moral outrage should be directed. At our own selves, and less about rending of shirts and the gnashing of teeth, but a directed rage, that forces us to concentrate on rational solutions, and using that moral outrage as fire in the belly to keep us going to prevent further decay of a system, and to reverse the trends that are costing us and our children's futures.

That isn't as sexy as blaming Liberals or Conservatives, but I think it might be more constructive and useful...

hubiestubert: No more moral outrage?

Your posts are always so long. I'm a big fan. :)

hubiestubert

Well, it isn't like it all isn't your fault. I am just baffled why more people aren't outraged about that.

The righties such as O'Reilly and Glen can biatch all they want about Bill Ayers and the rest of the liberals who are trying to destroy the country.

But, you know what?

Out of O'Reilly, Glen, and Bill, there was only one man with the stones to put his life at stake and take forceful, decisive action to stop the people who he believed were destroying the country.

Say what you want about Ayers, but he had the courage of his convictions, and he took more care not to hurt innocent people than the government he was fighting ever has.

Where are the "good" Americans? The ones that agree with these two patriots?

I think both Glenn and Bill need to wake up in that dream from the Twilight Zone movie where they are civilian Iraqis during a US airstrike, that is being launched because God and Cheney told G.W. he should do it.

/turrur
//axis of evil

Glenn Beck is right. We are living in different universes. The universe of reality and the university of crazyfoxnoiseland.

mheuss: hubiestubert

Well, it isn't like it all isn't your fault. I am just baffled why more people aren't outraged about that.

I am baffled by it as well...

O'Reilly: "There are certain people who have lost moral outrage about EVERYTHING."

Glenn Beck: (I'm going to have to paraphrase) The Constitution is hanging in the balance. Good Americans need to stand up and say Excuse me, you aren't teaching my children this, you aren't putting this on television. Where is the other mainstream media on this?

They both seem so depressed. Whither morally outraged Good America? Why don't people care about Bill Ayers when we told them to? Don't you people understand he was a Vietnam radical guy 40 years ago?? Where is your OUTRAGE?! Don't you guys know I have a book on CHRISTMAS SWEATERS?

Also, addressing the point that Ayers is a threat to THE CHILDREN, I think children generally attend primary school and not university. But if your snowflakes' grades qualify them for university before they hit puberty, well, I can understand how you might be concerned about their exposure to university life. You might want to hold them back a few years. It's probably child abuse to expose someone under the age of 16 to neoconservative "leading intellectuals".

There's a whole lotta butthurt being passed around the AM radio/FoxNews waves these days.

Sym_pathetic: There's a whole lotta butthurt being passed around the AM radio/FoxNews waves these days.

Don't let Rush fool you.

A Dem in the White House is the best thing to happen to him in 8 years. He gets down on his tubby little knees every night and thanks God for Obama being elected.

Plus, he doesn't really need to do any more work. He can just replace "Clinton" with "Obama" and "Bosnia" with "Iraq". He'll have 8 years worth of material all ready to go.

SchlingFocker: Plus, he doesn't really need to do any more work. He can just replace "Clinton" with "Obama" and "Bosnia" with "Iraq". He'll have 8 years worth of material all ready to go.

You can bet your money on this - within a year, talk radio will be the biggest anti-war people in America and will be blaming all 4000+ Americans and the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi on Obama.

1. Everything hubiestewart pointed out- I'm also outraged about.

2. The thing I'm most outraged about is that every liberal solution is painted as the end of the world. Gay is not the new black- Liberal is the new black. I'm half surprised places like Oklahoma haven't tried to institute separate buses and bathrooms for us.

3. As much as we might disagree with them- and I do disagree with Ayers- revolutionaries have a point. If you truly believe your government or some other ruler is harming you or society that significantly, violent upheaval is an option. WE overthrew the English. However, the cost of war or sparking revolution is the possibility of failure and punishment- Ayers essentially lost (although he was right about the unjust war) and should have face punishment.

4. I'm waiting for Hannity to call Obama the N-word. If Obama ends the Afghanistan war (which I think he will, but is afraid to say it), I think Hannity and Bill-O will flip a shiat.

sloppy shoes: 3. As much as we might disagree with them- and I do disagree with Ayers- revolutionaries have a point. If you truly believe your government or some other ruler is harming you or society that significantly, violent upheaval is an option. WE overthrew the English. However, the cost of war or sparking revolution is the possibility of failure and punishment- Ayers essentially lost (although he was right about the unjust war) and should have face punishment.

Ask any right winger what would happen if we legally banned guns.

DamnYankees: You can bet your money on this - within a year, talk radio will be the biggest anti-war people in America and will be blaming all 4000+ Americans and the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi on Obama.

Dude, you're not kidding. I don't even think it'll take a year.

I think it will take approximately 73 days for them to begin railing against the war in Iraq and the irresponsibility of protecting another nation at the cost of the lives of our troops.

DamnYankees: SchlingFocker: Plus, he doesn't really need to do any more work. He can just replace "Clinton" with "Obama" and "Bosnia" with "Iraq". He'll have 8 years worth of material all ready to go.

You can bet your money on this - within a year, talk radio will be the biggest anti-war people in America and will be blaming all 4000+ Americans and the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi on Obama.

They won't be anti-war; they will just blame our Commander in Chief for not supporting our troops.

All the liberal arguments- such as not buying body armor for our troops (though I'm not sure on the status of that anymore)- are now fotter for the Borg.

sloppy shoes: They won't be anti-war; they will just blame our Commander in Chief for not supporting our troops.

They'll be anti-war.

Every argument Rush made about our intervention in the Balkans will be transferred to Iraq.

SchlingFocker: sloppy shoes: They won't be anti-war; they will just blame our Commander in Chief for not supporting our troops.

They'll be anti-war.

Every argument Rush made about our intervention in the Balkans will be transferred to Iraq.

I don't know- America's memory is short term but it's not that short term. I mean, there is a limit to how much you can contradict yourself.

The recession will have to dig deeper his argument to make a point.

My opinion is that Obama will end up ending both wars due to the recession and they'll blame him for that. The British already want to leave afghanistan.

DamnYankees: These from the people who defended Bush for the past 8 years without shame.

You did too, didn't you? Didn't you once claim George Bush would go down in history has one of the greatest presidents of all time?

SkinnyHead: DamnYankees: These from the people who defended Bush for the past 8 years without shame.

You did too, didn't you? Didn't you once claim George Bush would go down in history has one of the greatest presidents of all time?

I probably did. I was an idiot.

Since this is the thread of outrage,


I'M OUTRAGED WATCHING MIKE HUCKABEE ON TV WITH HIS ASSHAT FRIENDS ABOUT HOW EVIL SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS. I'M SICK OF HEARING PEOPLE LIE ABOUT HOW ONLY A MAN AND A WOMAN CAN RAISE A CHILD. well, FARK DIVORCE THEN. fark SINGLE MOMS AND DADS. ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR CHILDREN TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH.

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT ACTIVIST JUDGES. I'M DISGUSTED THAT OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM IS SO POOR THAT PEOPLE AREN'T CAPABLE OF REALIZING THAT JUDGES MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON THE LAW- AND THE LAW SAYS THAT THE VOTERS AREN'T ALWAYS RIGHT. EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE GAY MARRIAGE IS A CIVIL RIGHT- CERTAINLY YOU MUST UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND REALIZE THAT THE COURTS HAD TO OVERTURN SEGREGATION AND OTHER POLICIES.

I'M SICK OF HEARING ABOUT A WAR THAT 87% OF THE COUNTRY DOESN'T LIKE. IF DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES ARE SO FARKING IMPORTANT, WHY DON'T WE END THE WAR? WHY DON'T ALL CONSERVATIVES GET DOWN AND WORSHIP OBAMA? GAYS GET CRITICIZED FOR PROTESTING A BALLOT MEASURE THAT PUTS THEM IN SECOND PLACE, YET YOU PEOPLE GET PRAISED FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT OBAMA.

sloppy shoes:
I don't know- America's memory is short term but it's not that short term. I mean, there is a limit to how much you can contradict yourself.


I disagree. The same people who complained about activist judges had no problem with courts intervening on behalf of Terri Shiavo. Many of the same people were complaining about Obama's lack of experience on a Monday and by that Friday were head over heels about Sarah Palin.

By January, the right's noise machine could call the war in Iraq a sinister plot by Obama to keep as many armed conservatives out of the country so that he can use the Black Panthers to implement his Marxist agenda, and roughly 1/4 of the country would fall in line within a day.

The fact that these two blowhards get a paycheck for spewing their bullshiat makes me morally outraged.

SchlingFocker: Say what you want about Ayers, but he had the courage of his convictions, and he took more care not to hurt innocent people than the government he was fighting ever has.

Your seat is ready on board flight 93, and I'm not insinuating you're one of the passengers. Dickbag.

/cannot believe he just threw 9/11 at the dickbag
//but guesses dickbag would regard those dickbags as "guys that did something"

wolvernova: SchlingFocker: Say what you want about Ayers, but he had the courage of his convictions, and he took more care not to hurt innocent people than the government he was fighting ever has.

Your seat is ready on board flight 93, and I'm not insinuating you're one of the passengers. Dickbag.

/cannot believe he just threw 9/11 at the dickbag
//but guesses dickbag would regard those dickbags as "guys that did something"

You sure are fixated on bags of dicks.

I'm outraged that people consider Rush an intellectual. If the world were a just place he'd be a stocker at Wal-Mart that his boss constantly has to double check his work because he can't seem to do it without farking it all up.

I'm outraged that snow started falling as I finished raking leaves this afternoon and covered my lawn without giving me an opportunity to step back and take in my leaf free lawn.

Yeah, I don't give a crap about Ayers. Gunna make something out of it, Bill O?

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T-Luv: You sure are fixated on bags of dicks.

You know, you find a mean word you've never used and just have to stick with it.

hubiestubert: No more moral outrage?

sloppy shoes: Since this is the thread of outrage,

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

HE IS TEACHING OUR CHILDREN!

People don't give a shiat about Bill Ayers because the only time you brought his actions up were to imply that a man that was 8 at the time was a terrorist sympathizer.

i was hoping to see comments from thunderpipes, libbynomore2, and darconix defending this warblegarrble(sp?)... leaving disappointed.

What do you get when Billow invites Glenn Beck on to his program to talk about Bill Ayers after the election?

A great place to hold a Weather Underground reunion?

Yeah, I taped that Factor to see what he said about his Daily Show interview, and I skipped through that segment as soon as Beck called the majority of Americans dumb. (Which of course were the first words out of his mouth.)

sloppy shoes:
3. As much as we might disagree with them- and I do disagree with Ayers- revolutionaries have a point. If you truly believe your government or some other ruler is harming you or society that significantly, violent upheaval is an option. WE overthrew the English. However, the cost of war or sparking revolution is the possibility of failure and punishment- Ayers essentially lost (although he was right about the unjust war) and should have face punishment.


Discussion questions:
Is revolution against the government always wrong?
If not, when is it acceptable? With what means?

You mean a Bold Fresh Piece of Fail?

wolvernova: SchlingFocker: Say what you want about Ayers, but he had the courage of his convictions, and he took more care not to hurt innocent people than the government he was fighting ever has.

Your seat is ready on board flight 93, and I'm not insinuating you're one of the passengers. Dickbag.

/cannot believe he just threw 9/11 at the dickbag
//but guesses dickbag would regard those dickbags as "guys that did something"

Guy blowing up an empty building (and making SURE it was empty) = Guys crashing FULL planes into OCCUPIED buildings. Nope, don't see the difference there.

We get an interview after the election. That has nothing to do with the media not wanting it to effect Obama's victory. This guy is not important, but we will find out what he thinks now that it doesn't matter. Good job.

If you think I'm going to waste even a minute of my life listening to anything that shiatbag Glenn Beck has to say, you're crazy.

I'd sooner listen to O'Reilly, Coulter, and Limbaugh having a three-way than put Beck's nastiness in my eardrums.

Unrepentant terrorist? Didn't he serve his sentence in prison?

sloppy shoes: I'M SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT ACTIVIST JUDGES. I'M DISGUSTED THAT OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM IS SO POOR THAT PEOPLE AREN'T CAPABLE OF REALIZING THAT JUDGES MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON THE LAW- AND THE LAW SAYS THAT THE VOTERS AREN'T ALWAYS RIGHT. EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE GAY MARRIAGE IS A CIVIL RIGHT- CERTAINLY YOU MUST UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND REALIZE THAT THE COURTS HAD TO OVERTURN SEGREGATION AND OTHER POLICIES.

If you're tired of hearing about judicial activism, stop calling for judicial activism. People who are calling on the California Supreme Court to toss out a constitutional amendment passed by the voters are calling for judicial activism. Prop 8 is not a constitutional revision under existing law. The court would have to rewrite existing law to achieve that result. Ignoring existing law and inventing new law to achieve a result that the court wants to force on an unwilling public is pure judicial activism.

On the radio before the election, Beck was all worked up about some Homeland Security army battalion something-something that was being put together to deal with civil unrest if the economy tanks or post-election riots, etc. It made no sense; he talked in vague generalities. He sounded like an unhinged, paranoid man sitting in his bunker waiting for the world to end.