Good lord, what a hell of a plot twist! Whoda thunk?

"What? The new american infidel president is not a rich, white businessman?!! He's actually BLACK? How do we convince our jihad warriors to rally against THAT?"

Never guessed THAT would actually mess with their heads!

sezzme: Good lord, what a hell of a plot twist! Whoda thunk?

"What? The new american infidel president is not a rich, white businessman?!! He's actually BLACK? How do we convince our jihad warriors to rally against THAT?"

Never guessed THAT would actually mess with their heads!

Nor did I. But, hey, works for me.

I'm glad they decided to throw in a completely different president this season. W was getting stale and the whole thing formulaic. We'd have America do something, then Al Qaida would reciprocate, tit for tat. This whole black president angle was a really good decision by the writers.

Also, I hope they finally reveal who the next superpower is. Everyone keeps saying China, but it's just too obvious. Same with Israel and India. Even though it's dead, I'm still holding out on the USSR. EU is definitely a toast-um, a superpower; just look at the Eruo. Although there is Cuba. WTF with Castro coming back from the dead? They totally better not pull that BS with Kim Jong Ill.

Nebulious: Also, I hope they finally reveal who the next superpower is.

The giant polar bear that lives in the black smoke is going to make a comeback while stealing the gold from the federal reserve after he figures out the combination is 4 8 15 16 23 42

Been saying for a long time that the war on terror won't be won with guns, but by taking and holding the moral high ground while attacking poverty in the host nations the terrorist organizations rely on. Hard to justify strapping on a bomb to wage war against a nice guy.....doubly hard to do so when you have a wife and kids and a reasonably comfortable financial future ahead of you.

bulldg4life: The giant polar bear that lives in the black smoke is going to make a comeback while stealing the gold from the federal reserve after he figures out the combination is 4 8 15 16 23 42

Honestly, I'm kicking myself for not seeing the Al Gore/Polar Bear team up sooner. I see Gore switching sides again with Obama in the picture now, though.

Well, it's pretty obvious that having a President who talks glowingly of freedom and liberty and law and justice while tossing people into a legal black hole wasn't doing us any favors in the world...our fkn allies hate us now.

Actually living up to your rhetoric goes a long way towards disarming farkwads like al Qaeda.

I just wanna know how the Freepers and the "OMG! Obama is going to encourage the terrorists!" conspiracy crowd is going to react to this one. :)

Nebulious: I'm glad they decided to throw in a completely different president this season. W was getting stale and the whole thing formulaic. We'd have America do something, then Al Qaida would reciprocate, tit for tat. This whole black president angle was a really good decision by the writers.

I think you're looking too far ahead in the series. We've got months of episodes before the new president is slated to take over and that gives plenty of time for further twists like:

1. Current president declares martial law due to a perceived threat to the nation and on the advice of his national security team.

2. The electoral college turns out be hand picked from a Christian Identity group and decides to vote for David Duke instead of Obama.

3. Russians or Chinese or somebody invade Colorado (a spoiler list did say that Patrick Swayze was going to be a late season addition).

Other less likely stuff could occur, including giant meteor, alien invasion, or Mayan ghosts, but I think after electing a black secret Muslin the writers may have already used up the special effects budget.

sezzme: I just wanna know how the Freepers and the "OMG! Obama is going to encourage the terrorists!" conspiracy crowd is going to react to this one. :)

They'll probably claim that this is an attempt to lull the American public into a state of complacency, making it all the easier for al Qaeda to attack us and institute Sharia law in the USA.

Ya, Srsly....

Lionel Mandrake: sezzme: I just wanna know how the Freepers and the "OMG! Obama is going to encourage the terrorists!" conspiracy crowd is going to react to this one. :)

They'll probably claim that this is an attempt to lull the American public into a state of complacency, making it all the easier for al Qaeda to attack us and institute Sharia law in the USA.

Ya, Srsly....

Sounds about right to me.

weezbo: I think you're looking too far ahead in the series. We've got months of episodes before the new president is slated to take over and that gives plenty of time for further twists like:

Okay, I'm just going to address each of these one individually.

1. Current president declares martial law due to a perceived threat to the nation and on the advice of his national security team.

Ah, civil divide, the Internet favorite. I admit this would be interesting and it's kind of being hinted at with all the gun purchases, but I don't see it happening. There's just way too many plots already in play to add something that big. We still have the whole Iran/Israel thing and the global warming/Gore and polar bear crusade. Also, don't forget the Tibet mini-arc that tied in nicely with the last Olympics, but never got resolved. We have Iraq dragging on, and honestly, I'm starting to fall asleep during those episodes now. Oh, and let's not forget about the whole Darfur thing. Seriously, we get a genocide on top of a minor oil reserve, and then the US and UN decide to be pussys about!? Something needs to come from that eventually.

2. The electoral college turns out be hand picked from a Christian Identity group and decides to vote for David Duke instead of Obama.

Man, I hope not. Duke sucks.

3. Russians or Chinese or somebody invade Colorado (a spoiler list did say that Patrick Swayze was going to be a late season addition).

THAT would be cool, and it would have the Georgia-Palin-Tsar Putin thing finally make sense. That arc's been one big tease so far. Is the old USSR back? Is there simply a new Russia with the same ambitions? We had to spend a whole hour watching that guy kill a tiger; writers been have a reason for that.

Other less likely stuff could occur, including giant meteor, alien invasion, or Mayan ghosts, but I think after electing a black secret Muslin the writers may have already used up the special effects budget.

You never know. But like I said before, we need more stuff resolved and fewer anti-climaxes and less of the show dropping everything and leaping for some shiny new toy.

_{horse-pheathers: Been saying for a long time that the war on terror won't be won with guns, but by taking and holding the moral high ground while attacking poverty in the host nations the terrorist organizations rely on. Hard to justify strapping on a bomb to wage war against a nice guy.....doubly hard to do so when you have a wife and kids and a reasonably comfortable financial future ahead of you.}

This.


_{sezzme: I just wanna know how the Freepers and the "OMG! Obama is going to encourage the terrorists!" conspiracy crowd is going to react to this one. :)}

I'm firing up the corn popper.

Interesting, but short sighted. This overlooks the reasons for the previous 7 decades of fighting since the muslim brotherhood was created.

RobertBruce: Interesting, but short sighted. This overlooks the reasons for the previous 7 decades of fighting since the muslim brotherhood was created.

Random arbitrary boundaries and a royal farking over of all parties by the British and French?

"b-b-but Bush protected us from Terror attacks on our native soil!!1"

RobertBruce: Interesting, but short sighted. This overlooks the reasons for the previous 7 decades of fighting since the muslim brotherhood was created.

Let me guess: They hate us for our freedom?

I think the show jumped the shark when they impeached a president for getting a bj.

They're really going to shiat themselves when Obama puts 4 more combat brigades in theater. Suck it, assholes.

MorrisBird: I think the show jumped the shark when they impeached a president for getting a bj.

I never did like that season where the main character's whole shtick was falling down. A toddler can do that.

I'm still pissed they ret-conned Nixon, and the Carter dream sequence montage was just terrible.

Sym_pathetic: I'm still pissed they ret-conned Nixon, and the Carter dream sequence montage was just terrible.

Is that episode available on DVD?

CurvedGirdle: Sym_pathetic: I'm still pissed they ret-conned Nixon, and the Carter dream sequence montage was just terrible.

Is that episode available on DVD?

Check Hulu. I'm pretty sure Newscorp and GE own the presidency anyway.

MorrisBird: I think the show jumped the shark when they impeached a president for getting a bj.

pffft....I still enjoyed MoonLighting.

Eh, terrorists are almost invariably intentionally stupid people.
Stupid people are easy to confuse.
QED.

Lionel Mandrake:
Actually living up to your rhetoric goes a long way towards disarming farkwads like al Qaeda.

Oh, then we're probably in trouble, since Obama's not going to live up to his campaign promises either. I mean, the last person to sincerely live up to his campaign promises was George W, but the W stood for his last name, and it wasn't "Walker".

//And that's only because he didn't have a campaign.

Fark It: RobertBruce: Interesting, but short sighted. This overlooks the reasons for the previous 7 decades of fighting since the muslim brotherhood was created.

Let me guess: They hate us for our freedom?

More like "they need an excuse to keep blowing everything up, and the US is convenient".

//Pretty sure they just like to destroy things at this point, the reason shifts to often and the targets shift too little for it to be anything else.

horse-pheathers: Been saying for a long time that the war on terror won't be won with guns, but by taking and holding the moral high ground while attacking poverty in the host nations the terrorist organizations rely on. Hard to justify strapping on a bomb to wage war against a nice guy.....doubly hard to do so when you have a wife and kids and a reasonably comfortable financial future ahead of you.

THIS!

/Osama Bin Laden still gets a missile up his ass.

Yeah, the election of Obama will perhaps deflate short-term recruitment for groups like Al-Qaeda but I doubt that the president-elect will vastly change American foreign policy, which is usually the hardest policy to change anyway. We're locked into two wars and I don't see any signs of dismantling aspects of American foreign policy that gave rise to groups like this in the first place.

Nebulious: 3. Russians or Chinese or somebody invade Colorado (a spoiler list did say that Patrick Swayze was going to be a late season addition).

THAT would be cool, and it would have the Georgia-Palin-Tsar Putin thing finally make sense. That arc's been one big tease so far. Is the old USSR back? Is there simply a new Russia with the same ambitions? We had to spend a whole hour watching that guy kill a tiger; writers been have a reason for that.

That would fit in to the whole Poland/missile defense shield storyline. The return of the Cold War, all that good stuff. The only problem with that is, it's been done before with the Cuban Missile Crisis and it might be kind of old to do a repeat of that story line right down to the new young President with the stylish wife and cute kids. If that's going to happen, we need a new angle to play. Maybe that's where Palin comes in, Russia decides they need to put missiles in Sibera, threaten to invade Alaska, it could even work in the Al Gore/polar bear angle.

Fear not, Hate will find a way.

These guys figured out reasons to attack their Benefactors even when we were openly helping. The novelty of our president being black is no roadblock to future assaults.

rynthetyn: If that's going to happen, we need a new angle to play. Maybe that's where Palin comes in, Russia decides they need to put missiles in Sibera, threaten to invade Alaska, it could even work in the Al Gore/polar bear angle.

How's this for an angle? This president survives for two terms and fulfills a rash promise to put a colony on Mars made early on in his presidency. Kind of like a "What If...?" comic.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama

I guess Al-Qaida gets Fox News too.

/Are you allowed to jihad against a secret Muslim?
//apparently not

Funny thing is, bin Laden is rich and white.

weezbo: rynthetyn: If that's going to happen, we need a new angle to play. Maybe that's where Palin comes in, Russia decides they need to put missiles in Sibera, threaten to invade Alaska, it could even work in the Al Gore/polar bear angle.

How's this for an angle? This president survives for two terms and fulfills a rash promise to put a colony on Mars made early on in his presidency. Kind of like a "What If...?" comic.

Hmm, I kind of like it. Back when I was a kid in the 80s, I though I might see the day when we, at the very least, sent a manned mission to Mars, I'd like to see my childhood dreams fulfilled.

horse-pheathers: Been saying for a long time that the war on terror won't be won with guns, but by taking and holding the moral high ground while attacking poverty in the host nations the terrorist organizations rely on. Hard to justify strapping on a bomb to wage war against a nice guy.....doubly hard to do so when you have a wife and kids and a reasonably comfortable financial future ahead of you.

There's that fag talk again.
Now, any Farker under the age of seventeen would be happy to explain to you that Mooslims only understand force, and that the only way to deal
with them is to exterminate them.
Because diplomacy is "naive", dontcha know.

So...the terrorists won?

My noble brothers. Because he is an infidel enemy we hate on behalf of God, is it permissible for us to address him by the colour of his skin?

Now, if An American Carol had had quotes like these, the film might have actually been funny.

Later, another poster, Elhajgamal, asks; "My noble brothers. Because he is an infidel enemy we hate on behalf of God, is it permissible for us to address him by the colour of his skin?

The answer from al-Nasr al-Islam: "We say he is black because he is not white. There is no place for racism amongst Muslims."

This is too funny. It's ok to be a radical fundamentalist, that wants to kill all non-Muslims, but you better not be racist. Political correctness is a direct export of the West.

DeadZone: So...the terrorists won?

We changes sides.

Speaking of the Freeper contingent...

way south: These guys figured out reasons to attack their Benefactors even when we were openly helping. The novelty of our president being black is no roadblock to future assaults.

Would those benefactors be the "Shock and Awe" Benefactors or the Abu Ghraib Benefactors? It's so hard to keep track sometimes.

FTFComments: Interesting arcticle, although I'm puzzled by the al Quida reference to Rome; what would Islamists have to do with Rome? Rome had risen, established an empire, and gone into decline long before Mohammed had his revelation and invented Islam as a religion. I fail to see the connection. Can anyone explain?

*sigh*

Aside from the lasting impact Rome (and Greece/Macedonia) had on the region, it's amazing how many people think the Roman Empire simply ceased to exist in 476 AD.

I've had that discussion here, even (usually by people who try to equate the adoption of Christianity with the collapse of Rome, though I'm not religious).

1453. Sure, it was stupidly weak by then, but a direct continuation of the Roman state existed until 1453, and was wealthy and powerful at least into medieval times.

Shvetz: It's ok to be a radical fundamentalist, that wants to kill all non-Muslims, but you better not be racist.

You know, maybe I have been missing a lot of news lately but I don't recall these fundamentalists killing any Norwegians, or Swiss, or, for that matter, most of the rest of the non-Muslim world.

In your limited world view, why aren't these "soft" countries being hit?

Relatively Obscure: FTFComments: Interesting arcticle, although I'm puzzled by the al Quida reference to Rome; what would Islamists have to do with Rome? Rome had risen, established an empire, and gone into decline long before Mohammed had his revelation and invented Islam as a religion. I fail to see the connection. Can anyone explain?

*sigh*

Aside from the lasting impact Rome (and Greece/Macedonia) had on the region, it's amazing how many people think the Roman Empire simply ceased to exist in 476 AD.

I've had that discussion here, even (usually by people who try to equate the adoption of Christianity with the collapse of Rome, though I'm not religious).

1453. Sure, it was stupidly weak by then, but a direct continuation of the Roman state existed until 1453, and was wealthy and powerful at least into medieval times.

So, you're saying there's hope for the US after all?

Random Reality Check: You know, maybe I have been missing a lot of news lately but I don't recall these fundamentalists killing any Norwegians, or Swiss, or, for that matter, most of the rest of the non-Muslim world.

In your limited world view, why aren't these "soft" countries being hit?

Soft? Every Swiss man, woman and child has a knife with probably three blades MINIMUM. Not to mention the toothpick and tweezers.

Random Reality Check: So, you're saying there's hope for the US after all?

No. None at all. We're doomed. DOOMED!

/DOOM!

//Didn't really have a message. Just wanted to pet my peeve. NTTAWWT

Relatively Obscure: Not to mention the toothpick and tweezers.

C'mon, be serious. Everyone loses those.

Shvetz: This is too funny. It's ok to be a radical fundamentalist, that wants to kill all non-Muslims, but you better not be racist. Political correctness is a direct export of the West.

Well being a religious fundie does not mean you are a racist fundie. I think Muslims are pretty tolerant of race, since Islam touches on Arabians, Iranians, Malaysians, Somalis, etc. I think lots of problems are due to people thinking that the Islamic world and Arabian world are somehow congruent, and that Islam = irrational/uncooperative behaviours such as fundamentalism, violence etc. (which of course is false).

outatime: C'mon, be serious. Everyone loses those.

Everyone HERE loses them, no doubt. But I'm not so sure about the Swiss.

Relatively Obscure: FTFComments: Interesting arcticle, although I'm puzzled by the al Quida reference to Rome; what would Islamists have to do with Rome? Rome had risen, established an empire, and gone into decline long before Mohammed had his revelation and invented Islam as a religion. I fail to see the connection. Can anyone explain?

*sigh*

Aside from the lasting impact Rome (and Greece/Macedonia) had on the region, it's amazing how many people think the Roman Empire simply ceased to exist in 476 AD.

I've had that discussion here, even (usually by people who try to equate the adoption of Christianity with the collapse of Rome, though I'm not religious).

1453. Sure, it was stupidly weak by then, but a direct continuation of the Roman state existed until 1453, and was wealthy and powerful at least into medieval times.

Right. When Islam arose, it got lucky because the two great empires of the West, Persia and Rome, were both weakened. Islam destroyed the Persian Empire of the day (although it came back in another form later) and almost detroyed Rome, conquering all its African territory and even Spain.

ilambiquated: Right. When Islam arose, it got lucky because the two great empires of the West, Persia and Rome, were both weakened. Islam destroyed the Persian Empire of the day (although it came back in another form later) and almost detroyed Rome, conquering all its African territory and even Spain.

Weren't the Ottoman Turks Muslim? They nailed the coffin shut on Rome (though they did try to pass themselves off as a continuation of Rome for a minute). They didn't almost destroy it. They destroyed it.