Come on, he's not even in office yet. Ya gotta give him at least a week.

Obama would face too many 2nd amendment hurdles to take away everyone's guns.

He's just going to tax ammunition at $25,000 per round and give the money to poor people.

Has Obama been sworn in yet?

/errg

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Obama would face too many 2nd amendment hurdles to take away everyone's guns.

Yea hurdles, like 270 million Individual ones..:)

No one thinks he is going to take them away, the only people I have heard say anything about that are libs who are trying to make second amendment supporters look paranoid and uninformed.

He is going to try to stop future purchases of many types of weapons that are rarely used in crimes.

/Buy em while you can

He's not the President yet.

Back in 1968 I lost two Browning .50 calibers and 1/3 interest in a 105mm howitzer. Why don't you just give me a nice paper cut and pour some lemon juice onto it?

I want twin Bofor's, in a powered turret, on my vehicle. Why no love from the cuacasians?

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: No one thinks he is going to take them away, the only people I have heard say anything about that are libs who are trying to make second amendment supporters look paranoid and uninformed.

I beg to differ. Come to Texas, go shopping in a sporting goods or hunting equipment store, and listen to the conversations around you. There are definitely people out there that are buying up all the guns they can afford right now so that they can keep them come January. They are very concerned that the new President and Democratic controlled Congress will either find a way to ban guns and ammunition or tax them both out of existence.

And a few Farkers around here are pretty convinced of that eventuality as well.

I'm not so worried about my guns, the NRA is too powerful a lobby. It would be political suicide for any legislator outside of San Francisco, DC, or NYC to try to ban semi-autos or raise a national tax on ammo.

2wolves

Chump change.

Why not go for a military-industrial complex while you're at it?

Us plebians can't have the good stuff any more. It skeers teh powerz.

Eddie_Dean_NY

There are definitely people out there that are buying up all the guns they can afford

I'll take the 30mm armor piercing cannon planted onto a squadron of A-10's.

Oh, sorry, you can't have those.

Not yours.

Suck it.

Marcus Aurelius: 2wolves

Chump change.

Why not go for a military-industrial complex while you're at it?

Us plebians can't have the good stuff any more. It skeers teh powerz.

You've not experienced DC Beltway traffic.

Marcus Aurelius: Us plebians can't have the good stuff any more. It skeers teh powerz.

Don't worry. All we need is a well stocked Home Depot. If there's one thing Iraq has taught us, it's not hard to turn a 60 ton tank into a paperweight using a McGuyver technique and a prayer.

GaryPDX: Has Obama been sworn in yet?

/errg

So no seizing of guns is because he isn't sworn in yet, but the tanking economy is because he's the president-elect. Sure.

Marcus Aurelius: I'll take the 30mm armor piercing cannon planted onto a squadron of A-10's.

I want a full compliment of Mark 54s and Tomahawks on a Seawolf.

I want to go whale hunting.

I_Love_Verdi: So no seizing of guns is because he isn't sworn in yet, but the tanking economy is because he's the president-elect. Sure.

Gun sales are up, right?

/damn speculators

2wolves

I once drove from the Chesterfield, VA airport to West Chester, PA in three hours, 27 minutes and 37 seconds.

I can say for certain that the DC beltway traffic has experienced me.

/west beltway sucks ass

Marcus Aurelius: Back in 1968 I lost [...] 1/3 interest in a 105mm howitzer.

That was for hunting and home defense, though, right?

Eddie_Dean_NY

Nuclear powered seacraft are expensive.

Guncotton powered munitions tubes are surprisingly cheap and resilient.

Procedural Texture

The 105 mm was strictly for target practice. Anything over 15 degrees of elevation would end up more than 5 km downrange, and you'd get a call the next day from the country extension agent about whose milk you'd curdled.

County extension agent that is.

Eddie_Dean_NY: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: No one thinks he is going to take them away, the only people I have heard say anything about that are libs who are trying to make second amendment supporters look paranoid and uninformed.

I beg to differ. Come to Texas, go shopping in a sporting goods or hunting equipment store, and listen to the conversations around you. There are definitely people out there that are buying up all the guns they can afford right now so that they can keep them come January. They are very concerned that the new President and Democratic controlled Congress will either find a way to ban guns and ammunition or tax them both out of existence.

And a few Farkers around here are pretty convinced of that eventuality as well.

I'm not so worried about my guns, the NRA is too powerful a lobby. It would be political suicide for any legislator outside of San Francisco, DC, or NYC to try to ban semi-autos or raise a national tax on ammo.

I think you are missing the point.

Of course people are buying guns like crazy right now. It is not because they think Obama is going to send a swat team to their house to take them away, it is because they think that their sales will be outlawed if they wait to get them, so they need to buy them while they still can. Obama and Biden have made no secret of their desire to pass a stricter, permanent ban on "assault weapons", so this surge in buying of those types of guns should be a surprise to no one.

What I was talking about in my OP is the fact that no one who knows anything about the issue thinks that he is going to "take their guns", and the only time I hear somebody talking about guns being taken is coming from the other side, like "no one is going to take your guns you stupid rednecks."

The people who are buying guns right now are informed and are acting as should be expected.

Marcus Aurelius: Nuclear powered seacraft are expensive.

But I want to hang a Kraken's head over my mantle.

Guncotton powered munitions tubes are surprisingly cheap and resilient.

This I agree with. My dad's Civil War re-inactor buddies had a fully functioning wheeled artillery piece that fired #10 cans filled with concrete. Pull the lanyard, cover your ears, and watch the junk-pile go boom.

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: The people who are buying guns right now are informed and are acting as should be expected.

Most yes, some, no. The informed buyers (I'm one of them) are out there stocking up while we can on cheaper ammo and firearms. Even if the federal government takes no action whatsoever towards limiting or taxing them, the demand is increasing and that drives prices up. Get 'em while they are cheap.

But there are most certainly people who earnestly believe the libs are coming for their guns. I know it's only my own experiences I'm basing this on, but I hear conversations between customers at gun stores and the local bars from these folks. They really are petrified that the day Obama is sworn in, the ATF is coming through their front door with a battering ram to take all their registered weapons.

Anecdotal maybe, but they are out there.

Green? To the main page?

YGTBFKM.

Is he president?

NO.

Get a brain, moran.

TehNacho: Is he president?

NO.

Get a brain, moran.

Come on. Their fear is funny to watch and may involve morans shooting themselves. What's not to like?

Eddie_Dean_NY: JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: The people who are buying guns right now are informed and are acting as should be expected.

Most yes, some, no. The informed buyers (I'm one of them) are out there stocking up while we can on cheaper ammo and firearms. Even if the federal government takes no action whatsoever towards limiting or taxing them, the demand is increasing and that drives prices up. Get 'em while they are cheap.

But there are most certainly people who earnestly believe the libs are coming for their guns. I know it's only my own experiences I'm basing this on, but I hear conversations between customers at gun stores and the local bars from these folks. They really are petrified that the day Obama is sworn in, the ATF is coming through their front door with a battering ram to take all their registered weapons.

Anecdotal maybe, but they are out there.

I'm sure that there are people on the other side who think that they can make it happen too. I do think that an assault rifle ban would start us on a slippery slope that could eventually end in confiscation, but Obama won't be the one to do it. Maybe some of his supreme court nominees could have a hand in it though.

I think that if we see a ban it will either be in the first six months of his term, or not until his second term. The problem is it is not up to him it is up to the democratic house and senate to pass something, and he would probably sign whatever came across his desk.

Eddie_Dean_NY: It would be political suicide for any legislator outside of San Francisco, DC, or NYC to try to ban semi-autos or raise a national tax on ammo.

Pause and think, just for a moment, where the United States Congress convenes. Also take a moment to think about where the White House is.

/not worried about the eebil gubmint grabbing my guns
//agree with the message you were trying to convey
///"If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Obama drank all my water, kilt my dog, stole my horse, and left me to die in the desert.

He's only going to ban the guns used to kill sheriffs, even if it was in self defense.

The deputy is another story.

King Something: Pause and think, just for a moment, where the United States Congress convenes. Also take a moment to think about where the White House is.

Think of many Senators and Representatives are actually elected by the District of Columbia. They have to report to their constituencies back home once in a while, and this would be a big way to piss off the home base for most congress-critters.

King Something: Pause and think, just for a moment, where the United States Congress convenes.

Also, pause and think about where the Texas Lege meets, Austin. Pure tree-hugging homo-loving liberal bastion in a sea of red. Doesn't make much of a difference to the rest of Texas politics.

Eddie_Dean_NY: King Something: Pause and think, just for a moment, where the United States Congress convenes. Also take a moment to think about where the White House is.

Think of many Senators and Representatives are actually elected by the District of Columbia. They have to report to their constituencies back home once in a while, and this would be a big way to piss off the home base for most congress-critters.

I know, I was...

... just kidding.

Marcus Aurelius: Back in 1968 I lost two Browning .50 calibers and 1/3 interest in a 105mm howitzer. Why don't you just give me a nice paper cut and pour some lemon juice onto it?

Have you needed them since then?

just asking

TheOther: Have you needed them since then?

just asking

I dunno about him but I haven't needed a condom since about that long either, that doesn't mean I want to be unprotected, just in case.

King Something: ... just kidding.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

TheOther

Have you needed them since then?

That's the $700 billion dollar question.

GaryPDX: TheOther: Have you needed them since then?

just asking

I dunno about him but I haven't needed a condom since about that long either, that doesn't mean I want to be unprotected, just in case.

There's a joke somewhere relating the topic and your comment, but I'm slow tonight.

Let's be honest. If the government wants to take your guns, it's going to take them. Unless you have something to stop an M1A2 Abrams tank or three and the infantry supporting them.

Gun hoarding is for morons. You're not really thinking things through.

GaryPDX: TheOther: Have you needed them since then?

just asking

I dunno about him but I haven't needed a condom since about that long either, that doesn't mean I want to be unprotected, just in case.

Same here.

Because I never know when I might have to blow somebody's clean head off, from a mile and a half away, in order to protect my property.

And it goes without saying. No responsible homeowner should be without a 105mm cannon.
I mean what if there was a raccoon in the trash, or someone trying to steal your lawn ornaments?

JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: No one thinks he is going to take them away, the only people I have heard say anything about that are libs who are trying to make second amendment supporters look paranoid and uninformed.

Er ... I have heard hundreds of people who think an Obama administration would take non-felons' hunting rifles, shotguns, and home defense oriented weapons. Many of these are otherwise normal, functioning, employed, parents, homeowners and the like.

I think they are wrong, but the fear is there. You can thank the farking NRA for the rhetoric about Obama that wen like this: Silence is not support. Because he has never said so, doesn't mean he doesn't wish to take your guns.

Dr. Rosenrosen: Let's be honest. If the government wants to take your guns, it's going to take them. Unless you have something to stop an M1A2 Abrams tank or three and the infantry supporting them.

Gun hoarding is for morons. You're not really thinking things through.

Yup. If it came to resisting a coup or dictatorship, fighting the Army is doing it the hard way, anyway. Despots know this and that's why they really fear handguns, the most effective weapon of political assasination.

Marcus Aurelius: TheOther

Have you needed them since then?

That's the $700 billion dollar question.

My question had basically been asked and answered, so sorry for dogpiling. For recreational purposes, a 105mm is perfectly acceptable...and yes, I'm envious.

But I need lots of guns! Otherwise someone might come steal the rusty cars out of my yard.

So are we just going to get an Obama gun thread every single day now?

Dr. Rosenrosen: Let's be honest. If the government wants to take your guns, it's going to take them. Unless you have something to stop an M1A2 Abrams tank or three and the infantry supporting them.

Gun hoarding is for morons. You're not really thinking things through.

Yup, you are right.

No one has been sniped off the turret of a tank in Iraq. All those videos are just really good editing.

He does want more licensing and registration, he also opposes conceal and carry.

He also wants to ban the sale and transfer of ALL semi-automatic weapons.

Can he take away guns you legally own today, not easily, but when asked the question, he didn't say he didn't want to, just that he didn't have the votes to get it done.

king_nacho: Can he take away guns you legally own today, not easily

Not easily? Not at all. He's not the president yet, and even if he was, I do not believe the executive branch alone has the power to do that.

The only people I know that think he will watch Fox News, so I don't care about their opinion anyway.