it's a small step, but at least it's one in the right direction.

In before the self-righteous idiots from many other historic (hysteric?) threads start in about stealing music.

And here I thought that people were innocent until proven guilty, even Duke college kids.

/No, this is not the reference you are seeking.

I'm still deeply conflicted about whether or not intellectual property should be considered a legitimate form of private property. I'm inclined to say yes, in some form, while at the same time denying the validity of shrinkwrap contracts, but ultimately I'm not sure.


However, what I do know for sure is that the RIAA is an evil, bloodsucking organization and that the people running it deserve to rot for eternity in the innermost circle of hell for the things they have done and advocated. The only good thing I can say about them is that by their overreaching they've provoked a much stronger backlash than there might have been otherwise.

By the way, can someone explain what the hell Duke is actually doing? TFA does such a poor job explaining that I almost suspect the author has a journalism degree.

It seems the sentiment of the article doesn't agree with this headline. Everyone is saying, "So what?"

Churchill2004: By the way, can someone explain what the hell Duke is actually doing? TFA does such a poor job explaining that I almost suspect the author has a journalism degree.

Duke is going to start requiring the RIAA to provide them with evidence of a crime before sending things on to the suspected students. Before they just passed things straight to the student and let the student deal with it. Now, if they think the notice doesn't have enough evidence to merit action they kick it back to the RIAA.

Dufus: Duke is going to start requiring the RIAA to provide them with evidence of a crime before sending things on to the suspected students. Before they just passed things straight to the student and let the student deal with it. Now, if they think the notice doesn't have enough evidence to merit action they kick it back to the RIAA.

I imagine it is also a cost saving measure. Instead of looking up the students for all these records, they are simply going to reject them until proof of downloading is actually provided.

Dufus: Duke is going to start requiring the RIAA to provide them with evidence of a crime before sending things on to the suspected students. Before they just passed things straight to the student and let the student deal with it. Now, if they think the notice doesn't have enough evidence to merit action they kick it back to the RIAA

Why is it going through the school in the first place? How are they a party to this?

It would be easy enough for the network admins to disable logging in several key places, shorten DHCP leases etc

That would essentially make it impossible to associate any given IP address with any machine at any particular time. I doubt that the RIAA can compel the university to collect and retain that information.

Churchill2004: Why is it going through the school in the first place? How are they a party to this?

If the "crimes" take place in school dorms, the school has aided in the crime since the student is almost certainly using internet provided by the school. I suspect that's why Duke itself is involved.

Churchill2004: Why is it going through the school in the first place? How are they a party to this?

Duke is a party to everything...



/you see what I did there?

People still use p2p networks?

I write popular music, and I am getting a kick-back out of this thread.

Eddie

One of my good friends from college never left, he stayed on with the college as a system admin. He was telling me how they got a list of IPs that the RIAA wanted info on. He reassigned those IPs to the pool used by ROTC and an Army weapons research product, then called up the government and said "Hey we got some people asking about the ROTC and classified stuff." The government's reponse was "We'll take care of it." He has yet to hear from the RIAA again.

When I was at Duke in the mid-90s, some genius in the dorms ran an open FTP server to let everyone share files. He received a friendly visit from the FBI, who were executing a search warrant because people were trading kiddie porn on his server.

MC3: People still use p2p networks?

Came here to say this.

newzbin + usenet FTW.

If the RIAA can't prove that actual illegal behavior occurred, then we're not going to comply."

I applaud their effort, but I don't know how far it will get. Sounds like Duke is trying to take the role of the police by determining whether or not behavior is illegal. Maybe next they'll pretend to be the court and determine guilt?

I'm not bashing Duke, I hate the aggression of the RIAA as much as anyone. I just don't see the legal justification for what they're trying to do. If you really want to protect your students, just stop keeping server logs.

ha-ha-guy: Eddie

One of my good friends from college never left, he stayed on with the college as a system admin. He was telling me how they got a list of IPs that the RIAA wanted info on. He reassigned those IPs to the pool used by ROTC and an Army weapons research product, then called up the government and said "Hey we got some people asking about the ROTC and classified stuff." The government's reponse was "We'll take care of it." He has yet to hear from the RIAA again.

Not that's awesome.

Epsilon: If the RIAA can't prove that actual illegal behavior occurred, then we're not going to comply."

I applaud their effort, but I don't know how far it will get. Sounds like Duke is trying to take the role of the police by determining whether or not behavior is illegal. Maybe next they'll pretend to be the court and determine guilt?

I'm not bashing Duke, I hate the aggression of the RIAA as much as anyone. I just don't see the legal justification for what they're trying to do. If you really want to protect your students, just stop keeping server logs.

Duke is saying, basically, "Proof or GTFO".

Where is that divided by zero image

/funnier headline, etc
//ok, maybe not that funny

Churchill2004: Why is it going through the school in the first place? How are they a party to this?

How can the RIAA match the IP up with the student without Duke's logs saying which IP goes to which student?

isn't there a "warbagarble" image for an article like that? i don't even know what happened.

Maybe it didn't suck against RIAA but it did suck against Clemson in Football this afternoon 31-7.

Sucks that the Duke students don't have free access to a lawyer. I went to a much cheaper school, NMSU, and our student association had a lawyer permanently available to give legal advice to students for free. Yeah, he wouldn't go to court for you, but he would give you all the info needed to deal with tickets, fines, etc. as well as other legal matters like (off campus only, to avoid conflict of interest and all) housing leases.

mxwjs: warbagarble

?

veale728: Duke is saying, basically, "Proof or GTFO".

So they're taking the position of the court? I still don't see how they're going to get away with that for long.

The Shakedown performed by the RIAA won't go on forever. They need to just get with the times.

Got my internet deactivated by my uni earlier this year for a song I never heard of (wasn't downloading anything anyway) so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. The second we started to ask "Um...what proof do you have?" the tech guys started offering ways someone else could have done it and it just looked like me...

Epsilon: veale728: Duke is saying, basically, "Proof or GTFO".

So they're taking the position of the court? I still don't see how they're going to get away with that for long.

Any person or institution is allowed to make their own judgment on such matters for their own purposes, which is what Duke is doing. Their decision only affects their own actions.

Why is sucking bad? Don't we all need one in our life to complete it? Its sexist and homophobic but part for the course here

Pvt Joker: When I was at Duke in the mid-90s, some genius in the dorms ran an open FTP server to let everyone share files. He received a friendly visit from the FBI, who were executing a search warrant because people were trading kiddie porn on his server.

oops.

pxlboy: Pvt Joker: When I was at Duke in the mid-90s, some genius in the dorms ran an open FTP server to let everyone share files. He received a friendly visit from the FBI, who were executing a search warrant because people were trading kiddie porn on his server.

oops.

Wow, in college and trading kiddy porn is kinda screwy...

/Then again I guess you don't become a pedo in your 40's either....

FSM praise HS and college kids who download things with abandon and click on cutesy/flashy things. It keeps me in business. I don't know what I would do without all those wonderful knuckleheads.

iaazathot: FSM praise HS and college kids who download things with abandon and click on cutesy/flashy things. It keeps me in business. I don't know what I would do without all those wonderful knuckleheads.

I take offense to that sir, and wish for a full--HOLY CRAP I CAN SHOOT SANTA AND WIN AN IPOD NANO

Barakku: iaazathot: FSM praise HS and college kids who download things with abandon and click on cutesy/flashy things. It keeps me in business. I don't know what I would do without all those wonderful knuckleheads.

I take offense to that sir, and wish for a full--HOLY CRAP I CAN SHOOT SANTA AND WIN AN IPOD NANO

gold.

Ryan2065: Churchill2004: Why is it going through the school in the first place? How are they a party to this?

How can the RIAA match the IP up with the student without Duke's logs saying which IP goes to which student?

One of those times when a Catch-22 is a good thing.

Epsilon:

Duke is not taking on the authority of anybody. The RIAA says "We think somebody on your campus is being naughty - give us complete access to see if we're right." Duke is requiring proof that the RIAA has a real beef. Analogy: If I, private citizen that I am, walk up to your house and demand access to your pantry because I tell you I suspect someone in your house stole my Fritos, are you seriously telling me you'll let me in without requiring I present some sort of evidence this might even remotely be true? If you are, I suspect some of my money has been deposited in your bank account(s) by unknown persons; I need all your bank account numbers and unfettered access to the accounts to confirm this (by your admission, you doubting this is you taking on the guide of law enforcement/courts, so you don't require proof, just my say-so)

You all do know that they have started going after newsgroup servers now, don't you?

Barakku: iaazathot: FSM praise HS and college kids who download things with abandon and click on cutesy/flashy things. It keeps me in business. I don't know what I would do without all those wonderful knuckleheads.

I take offense to that sir, and wish for a full--HOLY CRAP I CAN SHOOT SANTA AND WIN AN IPOD NANO

How long does it take to receive your ipod nano? It's been 33 weeks for me, and still nothing.

ha-ha-guy
Eddie

One of my good friends from college never left, he stayed on with the college as a system admin. He was telling me how they got a list of IPs that the RIAA wanted info on. He reassigned those IPs to the pool used by ROTC and an Army weapons research product, then called up the government and said "Hey we got some people asking about the ROTC and classified stuff." The government's reponse was "We'll take care of it." He has yet to hear from the RIAA again.

one shot only, please.

Churchill2004: I'm still deeply conflicted about whether or not intellectual property should be considered a legitimate form of private property. I'm inclined to say yes, in some form, while at the same time denying the validity of shrinkwrap contracts, but ultimately I'm not sure.


However, what I do know for sure is that the RIAA is an evil, bloodsucking organization and that the people running it deserve to rot for eternity in the innermost circle of hell for the things they have done and advocated. The only good thing I can say about them is that by their overreaching they've provoked a much stronger backlash than there might have been otherwise.

Brother, can I get an "amen?"

The RIAA deserves every ounce of ill-will it receives in the world. They had a GOLDEN opportunity to roll with the revolution in music delivery, and they took a giant sh*t on it. And in the future (now, even) the only bands left in the RIAA's stable of vapid 'hitmakers' will be Nickelback, Britney, etc. All others will self-distribute as this bloodsucking (tho the artist, especially), art-killing behemoth dies. And as it wheezes its final breath, I will piss on it.

The music-loving public are the thieves? True. But what about the RIAA cartel? They've been systematically screwing artists for decades, albeit legally, and the trough is nearing empty. Long live the content in the cloud and the software studio, a world where groups like the RIAA are no longer valid in terms of fronting marketing cash and studio time. And if you think that a band can't make it without huge labels behind it...500,000 people have now watched and forwarded that damned "Hamster on a Piano Eating Popcorn" video.

Sorry, record label cartel. The world is moving on without you. Sue all you want...you missed the boat and now everyone steals rather than deal with your DRM, among other garbage.

Regardless, Larry Moneta is a world-class douchebag.

AliasUndercover: You all do know that they have started going after newsgroup servers now, don't you?

3/10. Excellent use of the tried-and-true "they", but the rest of the post lacked feeling. You didn't commit to the role.

I hope they suck on Thursday night.

Go Salukis!

"The University has stepped up its support for students STEALING MUSIC with the new policy, scheduled to go into effect before the end of the semester," says the story,


Yeah, that needed to be corrected.

FTFA: The RIAA's current policing software can generate false positives that wrongly implicate users for illegal downloads

That's the problem right there. Either have real evidence or STFU, RIAA.

Marubozo: MC3: People still use p2p networks?

Came here to say this.

newzbin + usenet FTW.

well, aren't you special

it's a right in the step direction.