Ain't gonna happen. The hard working folk let the borders stay undefended for far too long, worked too hard to go to the polls to enforce their will and have thus had leadership which is perfectly willing to screw them over for eight years already and it looks like the run will be extended to twelve years. Until said hard-working folk are willing to actually do something about it, things simply will not change, no matter what the most recent candidate promised.

oh yeah they will too change. O sold the country on 'change' and that's exactly what we are gonna get... especially if the dems get their 60 senate seats.

Wow - that would mean like free TotalFark then, right?

The Zombie Apocolypse is near.

Yes, the unemployed are just lazy. That's what's wrong with them. And submitter is just unappreciated.

Wait...he wants to extend unemployment insurance, which is only for those who once had jobs, and paid into the system. I don't understand that headline.

St_Francis_P: Wait...he wants to extend unemployment insurance, which is only for those who once had jobs, and paid into the system. I don't understand that headline.

It's standard whargarrbl. Take a couple shots of vodak, get upset about something political, then read it again.

Don't worry, subbty. Once Obama's Civil Militia is up and running, all hardworking Americans -- well, those who voted against him, anyway -- will be sent to re-education camps

At least that's what I heard just before the election.

Let's see, unemployed? Yep. Hardworking American? Well, I would be if one of those currently hardworking American managers would farking hire me instead of getting some Indian (dot, not feather) to do the work that I do.

They're not, for some reason. And have the audacity to ask me why I haven't been doing anything for the past 11 months. Who cares that I can speak and write English?

KIA: Ain't gonna happen. The hard working folk let the borders stay undefended for far too long, worked too hard to go to the polls to enforce their will and have thus had leadership which is perfectly willing to screw them over for eight years already and it looks like the run will be extended to twelve years. Until said hard-working folk are willing to actually do something about it, things simply will not change, no matter what the most recent candidate promised.

Yeah, about that promise. While his detractors were out deriding people for having dreams of puppies and rainbows, they missed the whole part of his message which depended on ground up reform ... meaning, he always said he would need help from the people to achieve real change. But yeah, it's more fun to say "unicorns for everyone!!!" and claim to be "independent."

In the House of Representatives, New York's Charles Rangel -- chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, which oversees tax policy -- said he's revising a proposal to reduce corporate tax rates to 28 percent from the current rate of 35 percent to accommodate Obama's agenda. Rangel made his comments on Bloomberg Television's ``Money and Politics' program.



Great. So now corporations can ship more jobs overseas, take the tax breaks AND some bailout cash, and then retire to a nice caribbean island 'Dr. No' style fortress and watch the world burn.

Weaps: Let's see, unemployed? Yep. Hardworking American? Well, I would be if one of those currently hardworking American managers would farking hire me instead of getting some Indian (dot, not feather) to do the work that I do.

They're not, for some reason. And have the audacity to ask me why I haven't been doing anything for the past 11 months. Who cares that I can speak and write English?

I've been having similar experiences at work. We're in the middle of outsourcing (which was supposed to be completed in June) and every once in a while we have meetings to update us on the progress. When my boss was telling us the Indian workers quality and quantity of work, I blurted out "So what you're telling me is that ten of them don't even equal the work I do myself?"

And I've been left alone ever since.

What the hell are you submitter, four years old? *swats with rolled up newspaper* Get the hell out of here!

Has there ever - *ever* - been a statistical study to show that people who are rich work harder than those you aren't?

Yes, tollmittard, because that is the entirely of Obama's plan. Or indeed, the only part of the plan mentioned in the article. The whole tax relief for 95% of working families, lowering corporate tax rates, pushing another stimulus package/rebate, etc. etc. ... none of that sank any deeper than the epidermis on your thick skull, did it?

Nice to see Fark continues to attract and promote trolls like you. More angry clicks for Drew's beer fund. Yay.

Weaps: some Indian (dot, not feather)

Nice reference. I LOI'd.

DamnYankees: Has there ever - *ever* - been a statistical study to show that people who are rich work harder than those you aren't?

No. I always thought the best part of being rich would be not having to work hard. :\

Skail: No. I always thought the best part of being rich would be not having to work hard. :\

I think maybe you've confused "being rich" and "retired."

relieve the squeeze on families

Please do not relieve yourself on families. They don't want your "squeeze".

Yes, let's just print more money to throw at the problem. That's clearly worked so well.

/changetastic!

DamnYankees: Has there ever - *ever* - been a statistical study to show that people who are rich work harder than those you aren't?

Got me. I'm still amazed that 'the rich' managed to get all that money out of we-the-taxpayers and have it NOT be tagged as 'welfare'.

As near as I can figure, it goes something like this:

1. CEO runs his company into the ground. He takes the government bailout, keeps his cushy office and gets a nice hefty bonus check at the end of the year because he counted the government welfare check as 'income', thus triggering the bonus clause in his contract. At no point is this considered wrong, nor is it considered welfare.

2. joe sixpack shows up for work every day of his life, puts in his time, pays his bills and doesn't live on credit. However, his CEO decided that he'd save money if he fired joe and moved his job to china. Joe would love to get another job, but everyone else did the same thing as his old boss and moved jobs out of the country. Joe, feeling mortified, applies for government assistence. He is vilified by 'the right' for being a leech on the ass of society for doing so.

Both the CEO and Joe sixpack here are on the public dole. But only Joe is considered 'evil' by Rush Limbaugh and the dittoheads. No, this does not make any sense at all....but that's how the right wing pundits are framing this debate.

Weaps: Let's see, unemployed? Yep. Hardworking American? Well, I would be if one of those currently hardworking American managers would farking hire me instead of getting some Indian (dot, not feather) to do the work that I do.

They're not, for some reason. And have the audacity to ask me why I haven't been doing anything for the past 11 months. Who cares that I can speak and write English?

If you were willing to live 15 to a house and work for minimum wage, they'd hire you, too.

the_be_sharps: Skail: No. I always thought the best part of being rich would be not having to work hard. :\

I think maybe you've confused "being rich" and "retired."

No, I just think that if I have to go to work every day, I'm not yet wealthy-enough to vote Republican.

Living on unemployment is not worth it. Our capitalist masters maintain the unemployed force for their own self-indulgent needs.

As long as they can threaten you by offering your job to the unemployed they will control you.

/scare tactics for the win

jaylectricity: Living on unemployment is not worth it. Our capitalist masters maintain the unemployed force for their own self-indulgent needs.

As long as they can threaten you by offering your job to the unemployed they will control you.

/scare tactics for the win

I think the big mistake was letting the baby boomer retirement funds get wiped out just as most boomers are reaching retirement age and starting to cash out. that'll cause some hefty backlash.

I sure wouldn't mind another UI extension ... I haven't been on a payroll in a bit more than a year. Our somewhat isolate, local economy revolves around three things: Building houses, logging, and tourism. I'm sure you can all guess how great the first is going, and the latter two only really run from late spring to very early fall.

This is gonna be an ugly winter. The county unemployment is listed online as 7.8%, but that doesn't include the rather large number of us whose benefits have already run out - the number was 14% in August, and it hasn't dropped because companies are hiring ...

I have family unemployed. They all were hardworking before getting laid off, and they have been scrambling like hell to find anything since.

Come on, seeing engineers work at Micky D's and Walmart out of desperation is a beautiful thing.

Why yes, I would like fries with that. Can you Laplace transform some farking salt on those while you're at it?

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." - Ben Franklin.

soze: Come on, seeing engineers work at Micky D's and Walmart out of desperation is a beautiful thing.

Why yes, I would like fries with that. Can you Laplace transform some farking salt on those while you're at it?

As long as I can place the residue at my pole in your singularity.

/I feel so geeky now.

This is good news for Dubya and his fellow shiatheads who will soon be on the streets.

LIBS

Yes, because people who lose their jobs do so out of shiftless laziness and with the goal of living off of the government, right subby?

"FASCIST" doesn't do this headline enough justice. Retarded and heartless is more like it. The way this economy is going, subby isn't going to have many friends left.

Isn't this headline a repeat from... oh, I don't know... every week for the past 10 or 12 months?

GaryPDX: The Zombie Apocolypse is near what got us
8 years of Taliban-like GOP rule.

FTFY

Subby, the Rove era is over. Your party got punished for repeating stupid crap like this. Evolve.

I've drawn unemployment, and I say why the hell not? Its my money, I paid into the damn system while I was working. I spent three months one year unemployed and I still paid a lot more in taxes than I got from "handouts" that year. Unemployment isn't farking welfare, asshats.

bheilig: Subby, the Rove era is over. Your party got punished for repeating stupid crap like this. Evolve.

Are you kidding me? The freeper crowd really, honestly believes that all our problems are the fault of Obama. The guy hasn't taken the oath of office yet, and Limbaugh is already calling this the 'Obama recession'.

oh and clifton, Christ, haven't you people run out of words to call your opponents? A socialist liberal democrat? Nobody can hear you except for the minority that still votes for you.

Ooo. Subby channels Ronald Reagan!

Weaver95: Are you kidding me? The freeper crowd really, honestly believes that all our problems are the fault of Obama. The guy hasn't taken the oath of office yet, and Limbaugh is already calling this the 'Obama recession'.

I'm with ya, I can never tell if people are just unaware of the world or if they are purposefully making statements to exonerate their own insecurities.

I am lazy, shiftless and unemployed...so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Listen, either you believe we have a responsibility to each other as a society or we don't. It's like abortion: we're never going to agree because when you take the argument back to its most basic premise we don't agree.

Weaver95: Got me. I'm still amazed that 'the rich' managed to get all that money out of we-the-taxpayers and have it NOT be tagged as 'welfare'.

As near as I can figure, it goes something like this:

1. CEO runs his company into the ground. He takes the government bailout, keeps his cushy office and gets a nice hefty bonus check at the end of the year because he counted the government welfare check as 'income', thus triggering the bonus clause in his contract. At no point is this considered wrong, nor is it considered welfare.

2. joe sixpack shows up for work every day of his life, puts in his time, pays his bills and doesn't live on credit. However, his CEO decided that he'd save money if he fired joe and moved his job to china. Joe would love to get another job, but everyone else did the same thing as his old boss and moved jobs out of the country. Joe, feeling mortified, applies for government assistence. He is vilified by 'the right' for being a leech on the ass of society for doing so.

Both the CEO and Joe sixpack here are on the public dole. But only Joe is considered 'evil' by Rush Limbaugh and the dittoheads. No, this does not make any sense at all....but that's how the right wing pundits are framing this debate.

Except that your premise is based upon a charicature of CEO's and Joe Six-Pack as opposed to the reality of the situation. It also demonstrates a lack of understanding a Global Market, or just wanting your cake and eating it too. (i.e. Internet and information sharing is cool because it shrinks the world, we're all one people after all, but let's keep industry to ourselves.)
*That's a shaky of explaining my point but I hope you get it.*

Short-term Unemployment is fine and I've got no problems with it, in fact I've used it a time or two. A person doesn't get a job overnight. Everyone needs to stop bellyaching about *my job went to india*. Of course companies moved certain resources over seas where they could take advantage of lower salaries; the up side being, where they moved to, people saw an uptick in the standard of living. What did you expect would happen once the world shrank as it has? You can't blame a company for trying to maximize it's profits, that's what it was created to do. Stop thinking of profits as evil, they aren't.

I was downsized, so I sold cell phones for a couple of years, fixed them too. I worked a lot of hours and made less money than I had been making at my previous IT job, but it payed the bills and I learned a new skill. I eventually landed another job doing tech support via the phone, managed to keep the cell phone gig part time and worked both jobs; a year after that contacts from the Tech Support gig landed me a good job in IT for the company I was supporting making more money than I was in my original IT job a few years back. I just wonder how many people refuse to flip burgers to pay their bills because it would be a waste of their education, but feel just fine using the extended unemployment benefits in hopes of getting a similar job to the one they lost?
Are we truly that spoiled as a nation?

Regarding the meme that all rich people are greedy evil bastards that will stab their mother in the back to make a penny; bollocks. Their are rich spoiled asshats just as there are poor lazy welfare bums; it doesn't describe the entirety of that group, just the few that stand out amongst the crowd. So really, stop acting as if someone is killing puppies simply because they run a business and are financially successful and just deal with your own shiat.

/wow that was a rant, sorry.

Remember, boys and girls:

* $35 billion to send sick kids to the doctor: BAD.
* $700 billion to bail out incompetent investors: GOOD.
* Unlimited funds to blow schitt up in Iraq: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Sometimes I like to vote for people who drive our economy into the ground and then (this is the good part) I like to blame other people for not having a job when the economy sucks.

It's called personal responsibility...or something.

I know I'm British and all, but wasn't the subby er... joking?

I_Love_Verdi: Listen, either you believe we have a responsibility to each other as a society or we don't. It's like abortion: we're never going to agree because when you take the argument back to its most basic premise we don't agree.

Actually I think it's more of a question about the degree of our responsibility to our fellow man. There's a difference between the responsibility of not infringing upon another's liberty and being responsible for financially propping them up.

Personally, if I'm looking for handouts, I personally ask my family and friends; it beats the hell out of relying upon strangers.

/Family and friends have both received handouts from me and I've received handouts from them; kinda nifty how that works out.
//Of course once the idea of the traditional nuclear family is destroyed, Government is the next best thing.

Wow...I guess those 6000 persons about to be unemployed from Sun Microsystems are just shiftless and lazy.

I_Love_Verdi: Listen, either you believe we have a responsibility to each other as a society or we don't.

I always love how the people that will pound their Bible's the hardest are often the first to say they have no responsibility to anyone.

findthefish: Wow...I guess those 6000 persons about to be unemployed from Sun Microsystems are just shiftless and lazy.

I'll bet their CEO gets a bonus check this year too.