Wafers, wine, and death penalty for all members of the Republic Party.

No ironic tag? I wonder if the monsignor knows that the reformation was at least in part brought about by people who did not like the fact that the church said you werent allowed to make up your own mind about things.

...or even read enough to try.

So, let me get this straight:

Not Permissible = A stupid ceremony (if you voted your conscience)

Permissible = Banging kids in the ass and then moving said Priest from church to church so he can get strange all the time.

/yup, sounds like the same old church to me

RobertBruce: No ironic tag? I wonder if the monsignor knows that the reformation was at least in part brought about by people who did not like the fact that the church said you werent allowed to make up your own mind about things.

...or even read enough to try.

I think he does.

I am sick and tired of single-issue Catholic voters running to the right because of the abortion debate, while ignoring the other aspects of the Church's teachings about preserving human life - war, poverty, sickness, etc. And then they tell me I'm sinning for voting for Obama.

Election season does more to make me want to abandon my faith than anything (even Fark!).

RandomExcess: Republic Repube Party

FTFM

I like my disrespectful abbreviation because it reflects what the Repubes have on their minds all the time.

RobertBruce: No ironic tag? I wonder if the monsignor knows that the reformation was at least in part brought about by people who did not like the fact that the church said you werent allowed to make up your own mind about things.


Um, the Monsignor seems to be doing just that - allowing people to make up their own minds. It's the priest that's not.

RobertBruce: No ironic tag? I wonder if the monsignor knows that the reformation was at least in part brought about by people who did not like the fact that the church said you werent allowed to make up your own mind about things.

...or even read enough to try.

In spite of its past (and in spite of all the shiat they get from places like Fark), Catholicism is actually quite a reasonable, flexible, forward-thinking sect. Catholic priests and reverends don't push political views and they don't condone pushing religion on others. They focus on the peaceful and neighborly teachings of Christ and God.

I always say there's a good way and a bad way to be religious. If you use religion as a source of hate, you're doing it wrong. If you use it as a source of love, you're doing it right. Catholicism does it right.

/insert "love -> priests banging little boys" joke

T. Dawg: I am sick and tired of single-issue Catholic voters running to the right because of the abortion debate, while ignoring the other aspects of the Church's teachings about preserving human life - war, poverty, sickness, etc. And then they tell me I'm sinning for voting for Obama.

Election season does more to make me want to abandon my faith than anything (even Fark!).

I still have my faith. I just don't have faith in the Catholic church anymore.

uh duh abortion and the gay outweigh social welfare, death penalty, unjustified warfare, torture, prison without trial, corruption/theft, illegal spying. therefore if you are a christian you have to vote republican.


And also therefore, I will be happy to add the catholic church's tax revenue to Obama's abortion factories.

I really hope more priests try this sort of logic. This country needs more atheists.

Looks like RobertBruce DNRTFA.

I am not a Catholic (went to Catholic Schools, so have no beef on that level), not in any way an Obama supporter. This is ridiculous.

Rann Xerox:

I still have my faith. I just don't have faith in the Catholic church anymore.

Yeah - I should have used a cap F - as in, Faith in the Church. My personal connection to the Powers That Be isn't at risk because of the folly of others.

Frank Booth: uh duh abortion and the gay outweigh social welfare, death penalty, unjustified warfare, torture, prison without trial, corruption/theft, illegal spying. therefore if you are a christian you have to vote republican.


And also therefore, I will be happy to add the catholic church's tax revenue to Obama's abortion factories.

what are these "taxes" you speak of?

Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Nothing wrong with standing by religious principles.

You either have them or you don't.

Pro-abortion is a moral principal, not a political one.

He's not saying they can't vote. Just that they can't partake of a religious sacrament.

The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion.
Why not piss on the altar while you're there?

priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Wait...cause the monsignor told his subordinate priest to get back to work and stop causing problems?

This is the whole point of why single issue voting is ineffective, both sides have claim to christian law on different issues. If you just pick abortion to be more important than death penalty, social welfare, lying, unjust war, etc... it is fine, but you certainly can't say everyone else has to prioritize these issues the same as you.


Churches bring in a ton of money, they are tax exempt because they are apolitical churches, they start acting as a GOP lobby group, we're taxing them.

I agree with NYZooMan, if you disagree with the church on any level you should leave it immediately. Maybe join a club or something to fill that social void.

NYZooMan: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Nothing wrong with standing by religious principles.

You either have them or you don't.

Pro-abortion is a moral principal, not a political one.

He's not saying they can't vote. Just that they can't partake of a religious sacrament.

The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion.
Why not piss on the altar while you're there?

ummmm... people didn't JUST vote Obama because he supported abortion... Or are you too retarded to understand that? There are many issues a Catholic has to consider and abortion is only one, in addition to the fact you could just be a real christian and not want to make laws against others for morals that you hold true for YOURSELF

Zagloba: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Wait...cause the monsignor told his subordinate priest to get back to work and stop causing problems?

because the priest decided to make it a political issue to begin with

Zagloba: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Wait...cause the monsignor told his subordinate priest to get back to work and stop causing problems?

Mainly on general principals. I'm at a loss as to why they've been tax exempt. Considering the landholdings of the church, can you imagine the tax revenue we'd get from, not just the Catholics, but all Christian sects, Jews, Scientologists, etc?

ace in your face: NYZooMan: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Nothing wrong with standing by religious principles.

You either have them or you don't.

Pro-abortion is a moral principal, not a political one.

He's not saying they can't vote. Just that they can't partake of a religious sacrament.

The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion.
Why not piss on the altar while you're there?

ummmm... people didn't JUST vote Obama because he supported abortion... Or are you too retarded to understand that? There are many issues a Catholic has to consider and abortion is only one, in addition to the fact you could just be a real christian and not want to make laws against others for morals that you hold true for YOURSELF

nope...sorry. Only baby killers and socialist voted for Obama.

This is a black and white world. Gray is for elitists

NYZooMan: The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion.

The question is why a war supporter would WANT to take communion.

The question is why a death penalty supporter would WANT to take communion.

The idea that you're not a REAL Christian unless you subscribe to certain political beliefs, or that you're not a REAL Xyz party member unless you have certain religious beliefs is a lot of what's wrong with the country today.

Can't we just stop mixing the two ideologies?

priestrape: ace in your face: NYZooMan: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Nothing wrong with standing by religious principles.

You either have them or you don't.

Pro-abortion is a moral principal, not a political one.

He's not saying they can't vote. Just that they can't partake of a religious sacrament.

The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion.
Why not piss on the altar while you're there?

ummmm... people didn't JUST vote Obama because he supported abortion... Or are you too retarded to understand that? There are many issues a Catholic has to consider and abortion is only one, in addition to the fact you could just be a real christian and not want to make laws against others for morals that you hold true for YOURSELF

nope...sorry. Only baby killers and socialist voted for Obama.

This is a black and white world. Gray is for elitists

Heh...you amuse me. :-)

for good or for awesome: I agree with NYZooMan, if you disagree with the church on any level you should leave it immediately. Maybe join a club or something to fill that social void.

If you ever talk to a Catholic, you'll know there's a lot of rules in the church and nobody, except maybe the Pope, is a perfect Catholic.

Catholic families used to have like 30 kids in them. Now, they tend to have one or two. I guess those marriages just aren't having any sex, right? And I bet this priest doesn't quiz people on everything (Like the death penalty, which all Catholics need to be against equally to abortion.) He's cherry picking the rules he likes which just happen to align perfectly with the political party/candidate he chose.

If a priest denied me communion because of that, I'd leave that church but not the faith. I'd also report it to the Diocese.

Etchy333: He's cherry picking the rules he likes which just happen to align perfectly with the political party/candidate he chose.

Now there's something I can THIS.

It's deliciously ironic, because I bet this priest loves to rail on about "cafeteria Catholics" picking and choosing what they'll accept.

for good or for awesome: I agree with NYZooMan, if you disagree with the church on any level you should leave it immediately. Maybe join a club or something to fill that social void.

I hardly consider a lack of religion to be somthing easily filled by a bowling team. Just because I disagree with wanting to make laws against abortion does not mean A. I think abortion is wrong or B. that I am in any way against the catholic church. Jesus wants us to walk beside sinners and lead our lives by example not force people into doing things our way with laws. Laws are what pontius Pilate made to control people. Jesus wants us to make the CHOICE to do the right thing.

Etchy333:
If you ever talk to a Catholic, you'll know there's a lot of rules in the church and nobody, except maybe the Pope, is a perfect Catholic.

This is so true. Election season makes me so frustrated because it brings out all of the extremists, and it is impossible to have a rational discussion with them. And, honestly, I really enjoy my parish (it's connected to a Benedictine university, so we're kind of elitist). I love going to Mass. I just hate it when people decide to play God and tell certain people that they are going to Hell. I mean, what the heck happened to "judge not least ye be judged"?

Etchy333: If you ever talk to a Catholic, you'll know there's a lot of rules in the church and nobody, except maybe the Pope, is a perfect Catholic.

I grew up Catholic, and I don't think most Catholics would say the Pope is a perfect Catholic. It was made pretty clear that the only perfect person was Jesus. Even the Pope goes to confession, you know.

FTA: He refused to live in the existing parish and convinced a wealthy parishioner to "donate" the use of a home in a wealthy neighborhood for his use. He eats regularly in the finest restaurants in town, and he gets a new car every year. And he's outraged by the large Hispanic population at St. Mary's because they come from countries where the government supports the Catholic church. So they're not used to and many don't donate money to the parish. (The worst sin of all. Much worse than voting the wrong way, I assure you.)

So, it sounds like this parish priest is less a man of God than a man of Gold. No wonder he's pushing the Republican vote. I hope he gets ordered off to some spartan monastery for a few years of solitary contemplation.

MacEnvy: I grew up Catholic, and I don't think most Catholics would say the Pope is a perfect Catholic. It was made pretty clear that the only perfect person was Jesus. Even the Pope goes to confession, you know.

Who the hell takes the Pope's confession? Jesus? Or that nice Hispanic lady what cleans his bathroom.

MacEnvy: I grew up Catholic, and I don't think most Catholics would say the Pope is a perfect Catholic. It was made pretty clear that the only perfect person was Jesus. Even the Pope goes to confession, you know.

Ack, got out-Catholicked! I was speaking more in the sense of following every single rule and subscribing to every belief that is out there. And, yeah, he's probably not perfect in that sense either.

ace in your face: Jesus wants us to walk beside sinners and lead our lives by example not force people into doing things our way with laws. Laws are what pontius Pilate made to control people. Jesus wants us to make the CHOICE to do the right thing.

I just wanted to repeat this, because I thought it was good.

NYZooMan: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Nothing wrong with standing by religious principles.

You either have them or you don't.

Pro-abortion is a moral principal, not a political one.

He's not saying they can't vote. Just that they can't partake of a religious sacrament.

The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion.
Why not piss on the altar while you're there?

What if the parish member just left your mom's house and was thus unable to pee for a few more hours?

ace in your face: Jesus wants us to walk beside sinners and lead our lives by example not force people into doing things our way with laws.

You take Jesus in one hand and the Catholic church in the other. Is it possible for two things to less similar?

Etchy333: If a priest denied me communion because of that, I'd leave that church but not the faith. I'd also report it to the Diocese.

Good for you. Catholics should take some controll of how the priests run things.

Marla Singer's Laundry: What if the parish member just left your mom's house and was thus unable to pee for a few more hours?

Well, logically, if the parishioner can't pee, then a fortiori they can't pee on the altar.

Zagloba: Marla Singer's Laundry: What if the parish member just left your mom's house and was thus unable to pee for a few more hours?

Well, logically, if the parishioner can't pee, then a fortiori they can't pee on the altar.

I know. I meant what to do morally since the troll's command to pee on the altar can not be fulfilled. Like his mom.

Marla Singer's Laundry: I know. I meant what to do morally since the troll's command to pee on the altar can not be fulfilled. Like his mom.

Ah.

I guess the overnight modmin didn't care for a news link with the actual press release.

Still, I will back up what the author of TFA has to say. Father Newman has always struck me as a self-serving, money-hungry priest who gets very political in his sermons. At least he was as of two years ago, before we found another church.

NYZooMan: Pro-abortion

Anyone who utters the phrase Pro Abortion has already gone full retard.

I'm fairly impressed with the diocese, to be honest. I don't care for the anti-abortion position they take, but it seems like they did repudiate the priest's garbage about voting for Obama. But I have to wonder whether they were at least partially motivated by either fear for their tax exempt status or a desire to end bad publicity, given all the negative attention this guy attracted.

umlaut75: Still, I will back up what the author of TFA has to say. Father Newman has always struck me as a self-serving, money-hungry priest who gets very political in his sermons. At least he was as of two years ago, before we found another church.

I've been reading various comments on articles about this around the Web in the past couple of days, and you are like the fourth person I've seen make negative comments about him supposedly based on personal experience. He sounds like a real winner. Hopefully this incident will hamper his careerism.

Reading about this priest, I must say - I feel absolutely blessed to have the priest we have. He is a really grounded fellow, and seems to understand that life for us outside of the Brotherhood isn't black and white.

When Mr. Dawg and I got married, Mr. Dawg really wanted his priest to be a part of the ceremony, too. His Pagan priest. And so I did a lot of research, talked to a canon lawyer, had myself ready for a fight, and was pleasantly surprised when my priest didn't bat an eye at sharing the pulpit with a priest of another faith. My priest even took flack from some of the Brothers (the ceremony took place at the Abby). The day after our wedding, his homily focused on how we should not shun members of other non-Christian faiths, and that we may actually be able to learn from them.

I *heart* my priest. I will be a sad, lost Dawg when he is no longer with us.

Again, I'm posting this:



Obama won the Catholic vote by 9 points.

Despite how much some priests and bishops may rant and rave, they haven't succeeded in turning the majority of American Catholics into single-issue abortion voters.

The Church is just going to have to come to terms with the fact that it can't dictate people's voting behavior.

NYZooMan: priestrape: Tax the fark out of that church. Now.

Nothing wrong with standing by religious principles.

You either have them or you don't.

Pro-abortion is a moral principal, not a political one.

He's not saying they can't vote. Just that they can't partake of a religious sacrament.

The question is why an abortion supporter would WANT to take communion. Why not piss on the altar while you're there?

No. What he's saying is, "If you vote for a candidate I disapprove of, you're going to hell." And since people at this intellectual level actually believe in the existence of a place called "hell," the priest's statement amounts to coercion under color of authority, which is immoral. And would be illegal if he were an employer and not a priest.

As a serious Catholic, this kind of short sighted political alliance really bothers me. Am I to ignore the suffering of the people here in America and the suffering caused by these foreign wars? Should I vote for someone who basically promises to continue these policies? Am I to abandon the stewardship of the environment? Should I turn my back on the sick and suffering without access to health care? Am I to ignore all of this to vote on the issue of abortion, an issue that no Republican president since Roe v. Wade has delivered anything? This strikes me as some sort of corruption.

Right before the election I was discussing with some friends a dose of vote manipulation pressure which we got from a particularly direct sermon at Mass. The only question I posed was, "Where are the peace and justice Catholics?" We didn't know and we agreed that we hadn't heard a peace and justice discussion at Mass for several years.

Perhaps the American Catholic community needs to reevaluate the best way to accomplish its Christian mission.

T-Boy: As a serious Catholic, this kind of short sighted political alliance really bothers me. Am I to ignore the suffering of the people here in America and the suffering caused by these foreign wars? Should I vote for someone who basically promises to continue these policies? Am I to abandon the stewardship of the environment? Should I turn my back on the sick and suffering without access to health care? Am I to ignore all of this to vote on the issue of abortion, an issue that no Republican president since Roe v. Wade has delivered anything? This strikes me as some sort of corruption.

Right before the election I was discussing with some friends a dose of vote manipulation pressure which we got from a particularly direct sermon at Mass. The only question I posed was, "Where are the peace and justice Catholics?" We didn't know and we agreed that we hadn't heard a peace and justice discussion at Mass for several years.

Perhaps the American Catholic community needs to reevaluate the best way to accomplish its Christian mission.

we pray for the soldiers and civilians of iraq and afghanistan as well as praying for the war to end all the time. A ton of people in my church were involved in the peace marches seattle had several years ago. I find it suprising that yours doesn't do so? when I visited my grandmother they prayed about the war too... I feel like Peace is a really common theme. I hear much more about Peace then I have ever heard about abortion.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: NYZooMan: Pro-abortion

Anyone who utters the phrase Pro Abortion has already gone full retard.

If people pull out the "Pro Abortion" card then in response you just start refering to the so-called "Pro Life" crowd as the "Pro Forced Birth" crowd cos that's really wot they are talking about.

/These are the same people who read "A Handmaid's Tale" with a creepy little grin on their faces.