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GaryPDX
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2008-11-09 10:12:30 AM |
They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
Yea right, he's not going take people guns. We wouldn't want any "ugly" firearms out there. Better exercise that 2nd Amendment while you still can.
Yea right, he's not going take people guns. We wouldn't want any "ugly" firearms out there. Better exercise that 2nd Amendment while you still can.
| Marcus Aurelius
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2008-11-09 10:18:38 AM |
The last time I checked, Congress was in charge of making the laws, and the NRA owns way too many Congressmen to let anything ruin their profitability.
| Atillathepun
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2008-11-09 10:18:58 AM |
GaryPDX: They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
Yea right, he's not going take people guns. We wouldn't want any "ugly" firearms out there. Better exercise that 2nd Amendment while you still can.
You do realize that the SCOTUS is still predominantly conservative, right? If Obama does anything to seriously circumvent the 2nd, it'll get struck down.
The President is not a dictator, and everyone has bigger fish to fry at the moment than gun-grabbing.
Yea right, he's not going take people guns. We wouldn't want any "ugly" firearms out there. Better exercise that 2nd Amendment while you still can.
You do realize that the SCOTUS is still predominantly conservative, right? If Obama does anything to seriously circumvent the 2nd, it'll get struck down.
The President is not a dictator, and everyone has bigger fish to fry at the moment than gun-grabbing.
| Occam's Chainsaw
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2008-11-09 10:23:12 AM |
Has Operation Shut These Freeper Morons The F*ck Up started already?
| bulldg4life
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2008-11-09 10:23:47 AM |
Obama: I want to do these things
People: We do not want you to do these things
Obama: Well, ok.
People: Haha, look at you changing your policy
Everybody else: *facepalm*
People: We do not want you to do these things
Obama: Well, ok.
People: Haha, look at you changing your policy
Everybody else: *facepalm*
| GaryPDX
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2008-11-09 10:29:56 AM |
Occam's Chainsaw: Has Operation Shut These Freeper Morons The F*ck Up started already?
Free speech is still in place, I think.
Free speech is still in place, I think.
| Girl From The North Country
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2008-11-09 10:31:06 AM |
The Dems are getting smart and giving up gun control as one of their platforms. I applaud this development.
| Atillathepun
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2008-11-09 10:32:27 AM |
GaryPDX: Occam's Chainsaw: Has Operation Shut These Freeper Morons The F*ck Up started already?
Free speech is still in place, I think.
Free speech also applies to my right to tell these freaks to STFU. Sorry, but being criticized is not an infringement of your 1st Amendment rights.
Free speech is still in place, I think.
Free speech also applies to my right to tell these freaks to STFU. Sorry, but being criticized is not an infringement of your 1st Amendment rights.
| GaryPDX
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2008-11-09 10:33:33 AM |
This got greenlit..I'm glad it's not mine.
| Wanebo
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2008-11-09 10:34:19 AM |
They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
Was he planning on taking them away from the police, federal officials, and the troops guarding our airports then? Because that's where I have seen most of them in this country.
Girl From The North Country: The Dems are getting smart and giving up gun control as one of their platforms. I applaud this development.
I highly doubt that developement.
Was he planning on taking them away from the police, federal officials, and the troops guarding our airports then? Because that's where I have seen most of them in this country.
Girl From The North Country: The Dems are getting smart and giving up gun control as one of their platforms. I applaud this development.
I highly doubt that developement.
| BiffDangler | 2008-11-09 10:36:11 AM |
What is the gun show "loophole"? It is legal to sell a gun to another person. Why should that suddenly change because more than two people interested in guns happen to be in the same place?
| ninetywt
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2008-11-09 10:36:54 AM |
Maybe I'm not fully awake, but what does this mean?
the Tiahrt amendment
the Tiahrt amendment
| Wanebo
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2008-11-09 10:37:00 AM |
BiffDangler: What is the gun show "loophole"? It is legal to sell a gun to another person. Why should that suddenly change because more than two people interested in guns happen to be in the same place?
No requirment for a background check of the purchaser.
No requirment for a background check of the purchaser.
| pandabear
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2008-11-09 10:37:45 AM |
Assault weapons? Anyone who has accused any politician of fearmongering should take the time to learn what exactly an assault weapon is. And whether or not they are in use on foreign battlefields.
| BGates
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2008-11-09 10:38:15 AM |
So people who are worried about losing their rights are doing something about it. Apparently Obama supports think that they are Morons and Idiots. Goes to show the quality of people who support this person.
| Atillathepun
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2008-11-09 10:38:17 AM |
BiffDangler: What is the gun show "loophole"? It is legal to sell a gun to another person. Why should that suddenly change because more than two people interested in guns happen to be in the same place?
Because a convicted violent felon could all too easily buy a firearm at some gun shows.
Because a convicted violent felon could all too easily buy a firearm at some gun shows.
| BiffDangler | 2008-11-09 10:38:39 AM |
Marcus Aurelius
Huh?
The NRA is a lobbying/interest group. It does not make profits. Oh, I see, you are one of those people who thinks that everyone who disagrees with him MUST just be in it for the money. Look, the firearms industry is not all that big or profitable. Take a look at Sturm Ruger (Symbol RGR): One of the biggest gun companies. It's tiny. If it was solely profits that were at stake here, just about every other industry in existence would have far more congressional pull. The NRA is big because it's members believe in the right to bear arms.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:40:04 AM |
BiffDangler: What is the gun show "loophole"? It is legal to sell a gun to another person. Why should that suddenly change because more than two people interested in guns happen to be in the same place?
The gunshow loophole is about background checks. (Simple version) If you purchase a handgun from a store, they must perform a background check. If you purchase a handgun at a gunshow, no background check needs to be performed.
I say close it.
I also say that I don't care if someone owns an assault rifle if they've passed a background check. Own as many guns as you want, that spit out a brazillion rounds per second, I don't care. I draw the line at artillery though.
The gunshow loophole is about background checks. (Simple version) If you purchase a handgun from a store, they must perform a background check. If you purchase a handgun at a gunshow, no background check needs to be performed.
I say close it.
I also say that I don't care if someone owns an assault rifle if they've passed a background check. Own as many guns as you want, that spit out a brazillion rounds per second, I don't care. I draw the line at artillery though.
| PresidentPutz | 2008-11-09 10:42:01 AM |
So?
What?
What?
| CougarJeff
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2008-11-09 10:42:16 AM |
RadiomanATL: If you purchase a handgun at a gunshow, no background check needs to be performed.
This is not accurate.
This is not accurate.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:43:20 AM |
CougarJeff: RadiomanATL: If you purchase a handgun at a gunshow, no background check needs to be performed.
This is not accurate.
Thats why I had (simplified version) added in my post.
This is not accurate.
Thats why I had (simplified version) added in my post.
| BiffDangler | 2008-11-09 10:44:46 AM |
Radioman
No. If you purchase a gun from a dealer, they must perform a background check. This is true no matter where you buy it. If you purchase a gun from a private individual, there is no background check, this is true no matter where you buy it.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:47:44 AM |
BiffDangler: Radioman
No. If you purchase a gun from a dealer, they must perform a background check. This is true no matter where you buy it. If you purchase a gun from a private individual, there is no background check, this is true no matter where you buy it.
Not seeing how thats really any different from what I said. Unless you're quibbling over store=dealer gunshow=private dealer.
No. If you purchase a gun from a dealer, they must perform a background check. This is true no matter where you buy it. If you purchase a gun from a private individual, there is no background check, this is true no matter where you buy it.
Not seeing how thats really any different from what I said. Unless you're quibbling over store=dealer gunshow=private dealer.
| 5_second_rule | 2008-11-09 10:47:53 AM |
9 out of 10 Fark independents never have handled a gun or will ever own a gun. Please continue whining you butthurt biatches.
whining about guns you'll never own = joe the plumber*
whining about guns you'll never own = joe the plumber*
| Kar98 | 2008-11-09 10:48:09 AM |
BiffDangler: What is the gun show "loophole"? It is legal to sell a gun to another person. Why should that suddenly change because more than two people interested in guns happen to be in the same place?
It's a strawman put up by anti-gunners. No gun show loop hole exists: if you buy a gun from a licensed dealer you'll have to go through the mandatory background check. If you buy a gun from a private person, you don't.
It's a strawman put up by anti-gunners. No gun show loop hole exists: if you buy a gun from a licensed dealer you'll have to go through the mandatory background check. If you buy a gun from a private person, you don't.
| Kar98 | 2008-11-09 10:49:52 AM |
RadiomanATL: BiffDangler: Radioman
No. If you purchase a gun from a dealer, they must perform a background check. This is true no matter where you buy it. If you purchase a gun from a private individual, there is no background check, this is true no matter where you buy it.
Not seeing how thats really any different from what I said. Unless you're quibbling over store=dealer gunshow=private dealer.
You said if you buy a gun at a gun show = no background check.
This is simply not true.
No. If you purchase a gun from a dealer, they must perform a background check. This is true no matter where you buy it. If you purchase a gun from a private individual, there is no background check, this is true no matter where you buy it.
Not seeing how thats really any different from what I said. Unless you're quibbling over store=dealer gunshow=private dealer.
You said if you buy a gun at a gun show = no background check.
This is simply not true.
| zamboni | 2008-11-09 10:51:29 AM |
Wanebo: BiffDangler: What is the gun show "loophole"? It is legal to sell a gun to another person. Why should that suddenly change because more than two people interested in guns happen to be in the same place?
No requirment for a background check of the purchaser.
Only in the case of one individual selling a gun to another. Just like in the outside world, like from the classifieds, friend, neighbor or family member. Anyone engaged in the business of selling guns, even at a gun show, is required to do everything the same way as if they had an ordinary gun store, including background checks and appropriate paperwork.
It is far easier for a criminal to buy a gun from another source than to buy one at a gun show. They are making an issue, and wasting time and resources on a problem that basically doesn't exist. Even the DOJ says that guns purchased at gun shows were only used in about 2% of crimes, and that's not even saying that these people were criminals at the time of purchase, in which case a background check wouldn't have mattered.
No requirment for a background check of the purchaser.
Only in the case of one individual selling a gun to another. Just like in the outside world, like from the classifieds, friend, neighbor or family member. Anyone engaged in the business of selling guns, even at a gun show, is required to do everything the same way as if they had an ordinary gun store, including background checks and appropriate paperwork.
It is far easier for a criminal to buy a gun from another source than to buy one at a gun show. They are making an issue, and wasting time and resources on a problem that basically doesn't exist. Even the DOJ says that guns purchased at gun shows were only used in about 2% of crimes, and that's not even saying that these people were criminals at the time of purchase, in which case a background check wouldn't have mattered.
| Obdicut
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2008-11-09 10:51:33 AM |
RadiomanATL: The gunshow loophole is about background checks. (Simple version) If you purchase a handgun from a store, they must perform a background check. If you purchase a handgun at a gunshow, no background check needs to be performed.
I say close it.
2% of guns used in crimes were bought at a gun show.
It's really not worth worrying about.
We're swamped in guns, there are shiatloads of illegal guns on the street, and the most common kind of gun used in a crime is a gun bought illegally. Further restricting legal sales is not going to help us control guns.
I say close it.
2% of guns used in crimes were bought at a gun show.
It's really not worth worrying about.
We're swamped in guns, there are shiatloads of illegal guns on the street, and the most common kind of gun used in a crime is a gun bought illegally. Further restricting legal sales is not going to help us control guns.
| BGates
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2008-11-09 10:52:54 AM |
5_second_rule: 9 out of 10 Fark independents never have handled a gun or will ever own a gun.
Just because you and others (I'd expect your 9/10 is about 400% off) don't feel the need, doesn't mean others don't.
Just because you and others (I'd expect your 9/10 is about 400% off) don't feel the need, doesn't mean others don't.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:52:56 AM |
Kar98:
You said if you buy a gun at a gun show = no background check.
This is simply not true.
Ok, since my (simplified version) didn't seem to register:
A background check doesn't need to be performed at a gunshow if the seller is private seller, but if the seller at a gunshow is a dealer who happened to purchased a slot at the show in order to sell his wares on the road and outside of his brick & mortar store in order to reach more potential customers at an event that will draw his customer base together in one place then a background check needs to be performed by this dealer since he is not a private individual.
Better?
You said if you buy a gun at a gun show = no background check.
This is simply not true.
Ok, since my (simplified version) didn't seem to register:
A background check doesn't need to be performed at a gunshow if the seller is private seller, but if the seller at a gunshow is a dealer who happened to purchased a slot at the show in order to sell his wares on the road and outside of his brick & mortar store in order to reach more potential customers at an event that will draw his customer base together in one place then a background check needs to be performed by this dealer since he is not a private individual.
Better?
| BiffDangler | 2008-11-09 10:53:17 AM |
Radioman
Not seeing how thats really any different from what I said. Unless you're quibbling over store=dealer gunshow=private dealer.
Because the vast, vast, majority of people who sell guns at gun shows are dealers, and perform background checks.
| Dread Pirate Slasher | 2008-11-09 10:54:03 AM |
I voted for Obama, but I strongly disagree with his stance on gun control. I'm glad we have organizations like the NRA to fight for our second amendment.
| Peter von Nostrand | 2008-11-09 10:55:19 AM |
Wonderful, another thread for the tinfoil, ZOMG the lib is going to take away my guns!!1!1eleventybillion!1 crowd to freak out in. I understand you're worried about your guns but you shouldn't. I'm not worried about anyone taking my gun because it's not going to happen. There are two wars, we're 10 trillion in debt, running the largest budget deficit in human history, and we're in a deepening recession. There are bigger farkin' problems to worry about than what Obama may or may not want to do in respect to gun ownership if the world was just the way he wants it to be.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:55:25 AM |
Obdicut:
2% of guns used in crimes were bought at a gun show.
Oh, well then if it's only a couple of hundred people that were killed it's no big deal.
2% of guns used in crimes were bought at a gun show.
Oh, well then if it's only a couple of hundred people that were killed it's no big deal.
| Occam's Chainsaw
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2008-11-09 10:55:45 AM |
How many sales does it take to go from private seller to dealer? Because I've seen collectors do some rather brisk trading before.
| Spanky_McFarksalot | 2008-11-09 10:57:08 AM |
I've said it before, but I don't see blue dog democrats going along with any type of gun grab.
/Gun owner, NRA member, Obama voter
/Gun owner, NRA member, Obama voter
| Obdicut
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2008-11-09 10:57:21 AM |
RadiomanATL: A background check doesn't need to be performed at a gunshow if the seller is private seller, but if the seller at a gunshow is a dealer who happened to purchased a slot at the show in order to sell his wares on the road and outside of his brick & mortar store in order to reach more potential customers at an event that will draw his customer base together in one place then a background check needs to be performed by this dealer since he is not a private individual.
Um, if he does have a brick-and-mortar store, he is a dealer and he does have to do background checks.
You're also ignoring the more salient point; background checks simply aren't a very good way of preventing gun crimes. There are lots of other more promising ways to approach gun control; this one is just silly.
At root, of course, we need to address the "Why people be shooting each other?" There are countries with very high rates of gun ownership and much lower rates of homicide. We let our gun problem get totally out of control, but it is a symptom, not the causative problem here.
Fix the inner cities, end the war on drugs, and we'll be able to basically forget about gun control. Wouldn't that be nice?
Um, if he does have a brick-and-mortar store, he is a dealer and he does have to do background checks.
You're also ignoring the more salient point; background checks simply aren't a very good way of preventing gun crimes. There are lots of other more promising ways to approach gun control; this one is just silly.
At root, of course, we need to address the "Why people be shooting each other?" There are countries with very high rates of gun ownership and much lower rates of homicide. We let our gun problem get totally out of control, but it is a symptom, not the causative problem here.
Fix the inner cities, end the war on drugs, and we'll be able to basically forget about gun control. Wouldn't that be nice?
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:57:29 AM |
BiffDangler: Because the vast, vast, majority of people who sell guns at gun shows are dealers, and perform background checks.
So your original post about "what is this gunshow loophole thing" was really just a troll? Well alrighty then. Off to the troll-heap with you.
So your original post about "what is this gunshow loophole thing" was really just a troll? Well alrighty then. Off to the troll-heap with you.
| Kar98 | 2008-11-09 10:58:23 AM |
RadiomanATL: A background check doesn't need to be performed at a gunshow if the seller is private seller, but if the seller at a gunshow is a dealer who happened to purchased a slot at the show in order to sell his wares on the road and outside of his brick & mortar store in order to reach more potential customers at an event that will draw his customer base together in one place then a background check needs to be performed by this dealer since he is not a private individual.
Better?
Shorter: if you have a table at a gun show, you're assumed to be a dealer.
Also, if you're frequently buying and selling guns, you're assumed to be a dealer even if you're not making a living, or even a profit in doing so. "Frequent" as defined on a case by case basis. I've been accosted by ATF agents to sell them a gun I had just purchased (for a nice profit for me) with the intent of nailing me for being a dealer without a proper license.
Better?
Shorter: if you have a table at a gun show, you're assumed to be a dealer.
Also, if you're frequently buying and selling guns, you're assumed to be a dealer even if you're not making a living, or even a profit in doing so. "Frequent" as defined on a case by case basis. I've been accosted by ATF agents to sell them a gun I had just purchased (for a nice profit for me) with the intent of nailing me for being a dealer without a proper license.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 10:58:27 AM |
Obdicut: Um, if he does have a brick-and-mortar store, he is a dealer and he does have to do background checks.
Um, thats what I said.
Um, thats what I said.
| youngandstupid | 2008-11-09 10:58:44 AM |
5_second_rule: 9 out of 10 Fark independents never have handled a gun or will ever own a gun. Please continue whining you butthurt biatches.
whining about guns you'll never own = joe the plumber*
Not making sure that your rights are not taken from you through fear mongering or other under or over handed methods = intelligent. I don't smoke and I think it's asinine that the government is disallowing bars from smoking. If only there were an old saying what happens when you don't stand up for the rights of individuals who aren't yourself....
whining about guns you'll never own = joe the plumber*
Not making sure that your rights are not taken from you through fear mongering or other under or over handed methods = intelligent. I don't smoke and I think it's asinine that the government is disallowing bars from smoking. If only there were an old saying what happens when you don't stand up for the rights of individuals who aren't yourself....
| BGates
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2008-11-09 10:59:38 AM |
Occam's Chainsaw: How many sales does it take to go from private seller to dealer? Because I've seen collectors do some rather brisk trading before.
Collectibles and curious are grouped in a different class in most states.
Collectibles and curious are grouped in a different class in most states.
| Obdicut
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2008-11-09 10:59:48 AM |
RadiomanATL: Oh, well then if it's only a couple of hundred people that were killed it's no big deal.
Really, it isn't. I'm sorry. That's public policy and statistics for you. It's a pretty exact analogue to the idiots trying to get "voting reform", disenfranchising thousands in order to prevent non-existent illegal voting.
You can't start banning shiat because a tiny percentage of it is used illegally. That gets us very unfree, very fast.
Really, it isn't. I'm sorry. That's public policy and statistics for you. It's a pretty exact analogue to the idiots trying to get "voting reform", disenfranchising thousands in order to prevent non-existent illegal voting.
You can't start banning shiat because a tiny percentage of it is used illegally. That gets us very unfree, very fast.
| 2wheeljunkie
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2008-11-09 11:00:43 AM |
Wanebo: No requirment for a background check of the purchaser.
It's still illegal to sell a firearm to a prohibited person. This means that you are a f*cking idiot if you sell a firearm to a stranger without a FFL holder in the middle. As a gun enthusiast, I'm on the fence on individual transfers, because it's just stupid to prohibit me from selling a gun to a family member or friend that I know is not prohibited without a NICS check.
It's still illegal to sell a firearm to a prohibited person. This means that you are a f*cking idiot if you sell a firearm to a stranger without a FFL holder in the middle. As a gun enthusiast, I'm on the fence on individual transfers, because it's just stupid to prohibit me from selling a gun to a family member or friend that I know is not prohibited without a NICS check.
| zamboni | 2008-11-09 11:00:54 AM |
RadiomanATL: Obdicut:
2% of guns used in crimes were bought at a gun show.
Oh, well then if it's only a couple of hundred people that were killed it's no big deal.
Yeah because if they couldn't buy a gun at a gun show they wouldn't even bother going anywhere else. Rolls eyes.
35% came from family members. It's time to close the family loophole. "Sorry, brother, I'm afraid your background check says no. The police will be here in a few... it was illegal for you to attempt to purchase a gun."
2% of guns used in crimes were bought at a gun show.
Oh, well then if it's only a couple of hundred people that were killed it's no big deal.
Yeah because if they couldn't buy a gun at a gun show they wouldn't even bother going anywhere else. Rolls eyes.
35% came from family members. It's time to close the family loophole. "Sorry, brother, I'm afraid your background check says no. The police will be here in a few... it was illegal for you to attempt to purchase a gun."
| Exodus2001 | 2008-11-09 11:02:14 AM |
Atillathepun: GaryPDX: They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.
Yea right, he's not going take people guns. We wouldn't want any "ugly" firearms out there. Better exercise that 2nd Amendment while you still can.
You do realize that the SCOTUS is still predominantly conservative, right? If Obama does anything to seriously circumvent the 2nd, it'll get struck down.
The President is not a dictator, and everyone has bigger fish to fry at the moment than gun-grabbing.
Dude, it's like trying to reason with a 2 year old. Most of these guys that freak out about guns don't even understand how the government works. I laugh my ass off at the people running out to buy guns THIS week because they think Obama can enact a law the day he steps into office. Freakin' ridiculous.
I voted for Bush in 2000 and he put the blinders on me while invading Iraq. I supported it with a great degree. A politician will never use me like that again. If Obama touches the 2nd amendment I will be one of the people voting him out next election.
I'm still a registered Republican and I'm not afraid to vote Republican in the future just because I voted Obama this time. Any attack on the 2nd amendment = Republican's taking back the House and Senate in 2010. Book it done.
Yea right, he's not going take people guns. We wouldn't want any "ugly" firearms out there. Better exercise that 2nd Amendment while you still can.
You do realize that the SCOTUS is still predominantly conservative, right? If Obama does anything to seriously circumvent the 2nd, it'll get struck down.
The President is not a dictator, and everyone has bigger fish to fry at the moment than gun-grabbing.
Dude, it's like trying to reason with a 2 year old. Most of these guys that freak out about guns don't even understand how the government works. I laugh my ass off at the people running out to buy guns THIS week because they think Obama can enact a law the day he steps into office. Freakin' ridiculous.
I voted for Bush in 2000 and he put the blinders on me while invading Iraq. I supported it with a great degree. A politician will never use me like that again. If Obama touches the 2nd amendment I will be one of the people voting him out next election.
I'm still a registered Republican and I'm not afraid to vote Republican in the future just because I voted Obama this time. Any attack on the 2nd amendment = Republican's taking back the House and Senate in 2010. Book it done.
| RadiomanATL | 2008-11-09 11:02:30 AM |
Obdicut: .
You can't start banning shiat because a tiny percentage of it is used illegally. That gets us very unfree, very fast.
As I said in my original, I'm not for banning anything. I'm for opening it up more. I don't care how many guns someone owns, how many rounds they fire or at what speed. Own a minigun, I don't care. However, I am also for closing the gunshow loophole.
You can't start banning shiat because a tiny percentage of it is used illegally. That gets us very unfree, very fast.
As I said in my original, I'm not for banning anything. I'm for opening it up more. I don't care how many guns someone owns, how many rounds they fire or at what speed. Own a minigun, I don't care. However, I am also for closing the gunshow loophole.
| Kar98 | 2008-11-09 11:02:37 AM |
BGates: Occam's Chainsaw: How many sales does it take to go from private seller to dealer? Because I've seen collectors do some rather brisk trading before.
Collectibles and curious are grouped in a different class in most states.
The curio&relic list is maintained by a FEDERAL agency.
And the guns _I_ used to collect (right until last week when I lost them all in an unfortunate boating mishap, that is) weren't on it.
Collectibles and curious are grouped in a different class in most states.
The curio&relic list is maintained by a FEDERAL agency.
And the guns _I_ used to collect (right until last week when I lost them all in an unfortunate boating mishap, that is) weren't on it.
| Kar98 | 2008-11-09 11:03:26 AM |
RadiomanATL: Obdicut: .
You can't start banning shiat because a tiny percentage of it is used illegally. That gets us very unfree, very fast.
As I said in my original, I'm not for banning anything. I'm for opening it up more. I don't care how many guns someone owns, how many rounds they fire or at what speed. Own a minigun, I don't care. However, I am also for closing the gunshow loophole.
There IS no gun show loop hole, dimwit.
You can't start banning shiat because a tiny percentage of it is used illegally. That gets us very unfree, very fast.
As I said in my original, I'm not for banning anything. I'm for opening it up more. I don't care how many guns someone owns, how many rounds they fire or at what speed. Own a minigun, I don't care. However, I am also for closing the gunshow loophole.
There IS no gun show loop hole, dimwit.
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2008-11-09 11:03:31 AM |
RadiomanATL: Um, thats what I said.
Sorry-- I misinterpreted what you said. I thought, by saying they "need" to do the background check, that they weren't currently.
By the way-- I'm not a gun nut. In the least. I don't own a gun. I used to. I'm fully trained in gun safety, I'm comfortable with them, but I consider owning a gun kind of silly. Please don't misunderstand my position-- I've actually worked with a few of the gun control groups to try to get them to understand that money spent on uplifting the inner cities and lobbying for lower sentences for minor drug infractions (or outright legalization) is money spent on gun control.
I'm just a pragmatist.
Sorry-- I misinterpreted what you said. I thought, by saying they "need" to do the background check, that they weren't currently.
By the way-- I'm not a gun nut. In the least. I don't own a gun. I used to. I'm fully trained in gun safety, I'm comfortable with them, but I consider owning a gun kind of silly. Please don't misunderstand my position-- I've actually worked with a few of the gun control groups to try to get them to understand that money spent on uplifting the inner cities and lobbying for lower sentences for minor drug infractions (or outright legalization) is money spent on gun control.
I'm just a pragmatist.
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