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(Daily Mail) Dumbass Nanny state bans the phrase "singing from the same hymn sheet" because it could offend atheists   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 74
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kazrak 2008-11-09 10:56:57 AM  
I prefer 'wanking to the same centerfold' anyway.

 
MacEnvy [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 11:48:23 AM  
According to the non-sensationalistic pieces of the article, it doesn't appear that anything was "banned". A reasonable person looking at the situation would see that a simple set of recommendations for how people speak to each other was offered, with a particular phrase given as an example.

But don't let that stop your moral outrage, Daily Fail.

 
ninjakirby [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 12:12:33 PM  
I hate PC bullshiat like this. The phrase connotes no religious meaning, if anyone was actually getting their panties in a twist over that they're beyond help.

 
SilentStrider [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 12:30:42 PM  
i have never ever heard this phrase.

must be a british thing.

 
Kome [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 12:53:43 PM  
Oh for God's sake. I'm an atheist and about the only thing I do like about various religions is the music. Some Christian hymns are very beautiful.

 
Hoboclown 2008-11-09 12:58:29 PM  
What do you call it when the first time you hear a phrase is when it's explained you're not allowed to say it?

 
beantowndog [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 12:58:43 PM  
I always thought it was "singing from the same hymn sheet GOD IS A LIE."

 
Phil Moskowitz 2008-11-09 12:58:51 PM  
Ban all metaphor.

 
ILoveBeer3000 2008-11-09 12:59:49 PM  
I'm offended by what people find offensive.

 
zamboni 2008-11-09 01:00:21 PM  
Kome: Oh for God's sake. I'm an atheist and about the only thing I do like about various religions is the music. Some Christian hymns are very beautiful.

What you did there, I see.

I agree, though. Art and architecture too. Their literature is crap though.

 
Brown Jenkems 2008-11-09 01:00:43 PM  
Man, I can't wait until Obama masses his World Army and we can finally purge the world of Christianity.

 
beantowndog [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 01:02:24 PM  
Brown Jenkems: Man, I can't wait until Obama masses his World Army and we can finally purge the world of Christianity.

Buy stock in lions.

 
michaeld5 2008-11-09 01:02:49 PM  
After reading successive articles on British pansiness, I'm wondering how they became so afraid of offending everyone.

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BrokenToilet 2008-11-09 01:03:22 PM  
kazrak: I prefer 'wanking to the same centerfold' anyway.

As a wanker, I'm offended.

 
revnron 2008-11-09 01:04:54 PM  
As another atheist, I'd like to offer more suggestions about the overprotectiveness of being PC, but I'm preaching to the choir.

 
Aarontology [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 01:05:42 PM  
ninjakirby: I hate PC bullshiat like this. The phrase connotes no religious meaning, if anyone was actually getting their panties in a twist over that they're beyond help.

This phrase has been banned for promoting sexism.

 
Kome [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 01:06:42 PM  
zamboni: I agree, though. Art and architecture too. Their literature is crap though.

I'm not much for religious art unless it's of a dead religion. And, when I was really young I dreamed of being an architect, so the architecture is often very pretty. But as I get older, I become more and more disappointed by the fact that THAT much money is being poured into religions that praise humility and sacrifice of material goods. So about all I really like about religion anymore is the music.

And yea, the literature, especially the holy books, are all crap.

 
xane 2008-11-09 01:07:22 PM  
Man, I can't wait until Obama masses his World Army and we can finally purge the world of Christianity.

Someone with a similar sounding name has already started doing just that.

 
abigsmurf 2008-11-09 01:08:40 PM  
michaeld5: After reading successive articles on British pansiness, I'm wondering how they became so afraid of offending everyone.

Our school actually banned having a bulldog wearing a union jack on our yearbook cover. Something to do with links to the National Front (fairly obscure extreme right group)

 
Slowontheuptake 2008-11-09 01:08:53 PM  
I first read that as "hymen sheet" and didn't figure out I was wrong until I got to "atheists". Must be bedtime.

 
RandomExcess 2008-11-09 01:11:53 PM  
I wish organized religion would just go away.

There is no invisible sky wizard, there is no father-son hybrid magical zombie, there is no "He is everywhere and man was created in his image" (the universe is not shaped like a person).

There is no God. God is dead. And man killed Him.

 
Magruda 2008-11-09 01:12:38 PM  
"Preaching to the chior" gonna be next?

How about "Preist has his hand up the bishop's dress"? Never heard of that one? Well you should.

/"Did i just see an alter-boy running down the street holding his arse?"

 
Magruda 2008-11-09 01:13:46 PM  
RandomExcess: There is no invisible sky wizard, there is no father-son hybrid magical zombie, there is no "He is everywhere and man was created in his image" (the universe is not shaped like a person).

There is no God. God is dead. And man killed Him.


How do you know for sure? Is it a matter of faith?

 
Thray 2008-11-09 01:18:57 PM  
The council also recently told employees to replace saying 'colour blind' with 'colour visual impairment'.

Ugh.

That said, the Mail can't make up its mind whether this was a ban or "advice"...I'm inclined to assume it was advice and someone is trying to exaggerate it. ;) But it's still lame.

 
clusterfrak 2008-11-09 01:20:38 PM  
Is "throwing the baby out with the bath water" offensive to the anti abortion crowd, or just the pro soup lobby?

 
RandomExcess 2008-11-09 01:21:00 PM  
Magruda:
There is no God. God is dead. And man killed Him.

How do you know for sure? Is it a matter of faith?


Because I was endowed by the Creator with logic, reason, common sense, and a cock-sure attitude. How do you like them apples??

/Your god called, he needs you praise him a little more; his awesome powers are being drained by non-believers.

 
bartink 2008-11-09 01:24:45 PM  
ninjakirby: I hate PC bullshiat like this. The phrase connotes no religious meaning, if anyone was actually getting their panties in a twist over that they're beyond help.

Don't get your panties in a twist.

 
Cyborg77 2008-11-09 01:24:48 PM  
No need to get hysterical. This is a good rule of thumb.

/Double sexist metaphor.

 
RandomExcess 2008-11-09 01:26:30 PM  
Magruda:
There is no God. God is dead. And man killed Him.

How do you know for sure? Is it a matter of faith?


Without sarcasm, all the religions on earth are just monkeys typing out random faiths. There is a zero probability that, without any evidence what-so-ever, any of them were abel to divine the nature of God. I don't the religious, but I do not trust their mysticism. I trust only in logic and statistics.

 
evilboyevil 2008-11-09 01:27:46 PM  
Sorry, nanny state, it's only the religious whackos whose sensibilities are offended at the slightest things. And if an atheist is offended, the other atheists are here to slap them across the face until they realize their idiocy.

 
zamboni 2008-11-09 01:28:01 PM  
Aarontology: ninjakirby: I hate PC bullshiat like this. The phrase connotes no religious meaning, if anyone was actually getting their panties in a twist over that they're beyond help.

This phrase has been banned for promoting sexism.


That phrase has been banned because it promotes an atmosphere of insensitivity towards those who may, in similar circumstances, respond positively to assistance.

 
Murkanen 2008-11-09 01:28:38 PM  
I'm starting to think that all of these attempts to avoid offending atheists is one giant concern troll. It's either that or a projection caused by the fact that some among the religious really do get upset about stupid things like this, and they think eventually atheists will lose their minds as well.

 
Pope George Ringo [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 01:29:14 PM  
List of dead gods (new window)

 
Phil Moskowitz 2008-11-09 01:30:56 PM  
We need to get everyone clubbing the same baby on this.

 
Kome [TotalFark] 2008-11-09 01:30:59 PM  
Murkanen: I'm starting to think that all of these attempts to avoid offending atheists is one giant concern troll. It's either that or a projection caused by the fact that some among the religious really do get upset about stupid things like this, and they think eventually atheists will lose their minds as well.

Well, to be fair, some atheists are losing their minds over being offended.

 
RandomExcess 2008-11-09 01:31:05 PM  
clusterfrak: Is "throwing the baby out with the bath water" offensive to the anti abortion crowd, or just the pro soup lobby?

Don't you mean "anti-Choice".

/No sane person is Pro-abortion, so the phrase anti-abortion has no meaning.

//Just like no sane person is Pro-war, so the phrase anti-War has no meaning.

///unless we are making exceptions for the insane.

 
AmazingRuss 2008-11-09 01:33:01 PM  
Oh, let them be offended...they're just as dogmatic and wrong as the believers.

 
zamboni 2008-11-09 01:35:34 PM  
Pope George Ringo: List of dead gods (new window)

Good source but you kinda missed (new window)!

 
wildcardjack 2008-11-09 01:51:51 PM  
You don't need to ban innocuous phrases like this. As someone raised without hymnals I didn't really get the phrase at first. As that becomes the norm the phrase would be relegated to the dustbin of history. Sort of like how no one goes out with an onion tied to their belt.

 
kabloink 2008-11-09 01:54:38 PM  
When can we start discussing important issues like "Happy Holidays" versus "Merry Christmas".

 
CrispFlows 2008-11-09 01:56:41 PM  
zamboni: Pope George Ringo: List of dead gods (new window)

Good source but you kinda missed (new window)!


Jehovah, Jesus
What IS their qualification of Dead??

Jesus I get, not jehovah.

/ Would this become the philosophical "Prove God is either alive or dead" thing?

 
Sum Dum Gai 2008-11-09 01:57:46 PM  
Thray: The council also recently told employees to replace saying 'colour blind' with 'colour visual impairment'.

Ugh.


That's just more descriptive. Virtually all color blind people DO see color, they just see two dimensions of color while others see three. True monochromats are extremely rare overall.

Further, there are people who still see three dimensions of color but they're skewed from normal (anomalous trichromacy) which isn't true 'colorblindness', but certainly color impairment. In fact deuteranomaly (a shift in the sensitivity curve of the "green" cone pigment towards the red end of the spectrum) is more common than all types of true 'colorblindness' put together.

So color impairment IS a better term than color blind, because it more accurately describes the problems with their vision. Almost all perceive color information, just not as much color information as normally sighted people.

 
Likwit 2008-11-09 02:06:14 PM  
evilboyevil: Sorry, nanny state, it's only the religious whackos whose sensibilities are offended at the slightest things. And if an atheist is offended, the other atheists are here to slap them across the face until they realize their idiocy.

I knew a kid in high school who made it a point to tell everyone he was an atheist. He would be a huge dick to anyone who was religious, but would get super pissed off if anyone even used an expression with 'God' or 'Jesus' in it. I'm not saying all atheists are like him, but both crowds have their fair share of dickheads.

 
BergZ 2008-11-09 02:07:57 PM  
That's weird, the article didn't mention anyone actually getting offended by terms like: "singing from the same hymn sheet", "colour blind", and "moving forward". This looks like another case of where reducing jargon is misperceived as political correctness.

The only reason articles like this one get any attention is because "news" sources like Fox News & Daily Mail can count on some of you to get outraged over a non-issue spun as political correctness.

 
bubbaprog [recently expired TotalFark] 2008-11-09 02:11:59 PM  
michaeld5: After reading successive articles on British pansiness, I'm wondering how they became so afraid of offending everyone.

You have to realize that these articles all have the journalistic credibility of The National Enquirer. You'll never see a "nanny state" story in The Guardian or the Financial Times because THEY AREN'T TRUE. Or, at the very least, reality is far different than how the Daily Mail or the Sun portrayed it.

Long story short, if you see "nanny state" in a headline, the story is probably false and the submitter is too stupid to tell the difference.

 
jjorsett 2008-11-09 02:14:23 PM  
This PC crap goes on everywhere. My town changed the name, "Christmas on the Prado" to "December Nights". It also had to go thru monumental (pun intended) hell to retain a cross at a veteran's war memorial.

 
Virulency 2008-11-09 02:18:05 PM  
IM OFFENDED YOU think you know what offends me!!

 
nijika 2008-11-09 02:24:03 PM  
I'd like to ban that phrase because it's so folksy it makes me want to vomit yarn.

/he's not going to be president much longer, can we move on from hillbilly chic now?

 
Thray 2008-11-09 02:24:15 PM  
Sum Dum Gai: That's just more descriptive. Virtually all color blind people DO see color, they just see two dimensions of color while others see three. True monochromats are extremely rare overall.

Further, there are people who still see three dimensions of color but they're skewed from normal (anomalous trichromacy) which isn't true 'colorblindness', but certainly color impairment. In fact deuteranomaly (a shift in the sensitivity curve of the "green" cone pigment towards the red end of the spectrum) is more common than all types of true 'colorblindness' put together.

So color impairment IS a better term than color blind, because it more accurately describes the problems with their vision. Almost all perceive color information, just not as much color information as normally sighted people.


True, it just seems unnecessarily niggling.

 
RandomExcess 2008-11-09 02:24:30 PM  
jjorsett: It also had to go thru monumental (pun intended) hell to retain a cross at a veteran's war memorial.

As long as there is a private fund that pays for the upkeep and pays back any interest adjusted State assets used to date, I have no problem with this.

/And people know the cross, while keeping vampires at bay, will not slow down the decay of the corporal vessels.

 
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