I'm not impressed.

RabidDog: I'm not impressed.

Still jealous that the yanks kicked you sorry lot out of the country ol' chap?

goeniegoegoe: Still jealous that the yanks kicked you sorry lot out of the country ol' chap?

I chose to leave. What the judge said had very little to do with it.

Damn straight Samuel de Champlain is awesome. He founded the city of Quebec, 400 years ago this year. One of the most influential explorers and administrators in the history of North America.

Left: Taste for moose meat.
Right: Taste for beaver tail.

Champlain also never linked to registration sites.

I've never shot rapids but I have had rapid shots , heh.


Actually, I have shot rapids.

RabidDog: I chose to leave. What the judge said had very little to do with it.

I was more referring to history there.

goeniegoegoe: I was more referring to history there.

And not the barnyard animal thing, gotcha. Oopsie.

Came here for the Palin jokes, was impressed they happened so quickly.

/was thinking more along the lines of beaver meat and moose tail.

I don't get the chaste part.
Will all the squaw tail running around, there was no reason for any white man to be chaste.

Left: Taste for beaver whiskers.
Right: Taste for meat muscle.

/Got nothin'.

Shabash: Left: Taste for moose meat.
Right: Taste for beaver tail.

Bravo.

I bet he also raped innocent native women, destroyed their society and deliberately infected them all with smallpox, wiping out a peaceful culture that lived in harmony with nature and the earth-mother-goddess.

I also have a taste for beaver tail, so I'm getting a real kick out of my own response.

"Oh, I luvs to eat them Beavers,
Beaver's what I luvs to eat;
Bite their little heads off,
Nibble on their tiny feet!"

beaver meat

i am not impressed unless he was seventeen feet tall and had a hundred and fifty wives.

pandabear: Champlain also never linked to registration sites.

that's why I disguise my Firefox as a GoogleBot...

LegalizeThoughtCrime, Kliban called. He wants his songbook back.

/Nothing is obscure here.

frontrowgirl: i am not impressed unless he was seventeen feet tall and had a hundred and fifty wives.



You're confusing him with Bill Brasky

Hey there's a string of monuments to him in Canada, eh.

/hot linked to increase tourist traffic.

And he didn't have half the promotion talent that the Pilgrims have behind them.

Champlain's only documented attachment was to a well-connected French girl he wed when she was 12 and he at least 40.

At first I was like oh yeah

The union brought with it a large dowry

Cool, I have a need for a long stick of cylinderical wood

and an agreement that the marriage not be consummated for two years.

And then I was like *frowny*

Broom
I'm glad somebody recognized my favorite song, from one of my favorite books.
I'm just glad I didn't add the "/obskewer" at the end of my post.

my other favorite Kliban quote:
"Hey, ottist! Paint THIS!"

Broom, I am your father
/obscure?

Mary Sue!

While I'd love to read up on Champlain, it seems from that article that the reviewer didn't like this book in particular:

"Fischer's skills as a narrative historian also seem to have deserted him. In earlier books, Fischer focused tightly on dramatic events such as Paul Revere's ride and Washington's crossing of the Delaware. Here, he works in wide-angle, panning across continents and decades. This approach cries out for ruthless editing, which he fails to provide. Champlain's Dream is dense with extraneous characters and detail, and very slow going for anyone but a devoted student of the subject..."

Any other suggested books on this man?

mmmmmm.......beaver

giggity

LegalizeThoughtCrime: I also have a taste for beaver tail, so I'm getting a real kick out of my own response.

"Oh, I luvs to eat them Beavers,
Beaver's what I luvs to eat;
Bite their little heads off,
Nibble on their tiny feet!"

You are a thinly veiled cat lover. We know your kind.

Watch this one fellas. He is one of "them"

If he really did all that, yet remained chaste (with the ladies and presumably also the men), it makes me wonder if he didn't have one of the personality disorders popular with awkward kids nowadays. I bet he had ass burgers syndrome.

Then, a few years later, the Mayflower ran aground and a bunch of drunken, whooping "Puritans" bundled ashore. They showed the natives how to brew hooch, the natives showed them how to smoke good. That's why nobody remembers Msr. Champlain.

Well who are you then?

I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

lelio: Champlain's only documented attachment was to a well-connected French girl he wed when she was 12 and he at least 40.

At first I was like oh yeah



why don't you have a seat over there

/the link is hot, hot, hot

elvisaintdead: You're confusing him with Bill Brasky

So I'm in Corpus Christi and I'm being served by this eight foot Asian fella', which makes me a little curious. I ask him his name and sure enough...Ho Tran de Champlain.

bobbette: Damn straight Samuel de Champlain is awesome. He founded the city of Quebec, 400 years ago this year. One of the most influential explorers and administrators in the history of North America.

The city of What? Never heard of it.

Swampthing in Korea: I bet he also raped innocent native women, destroyed their society and deliberately infected them all with smallpox, wiping out a peaceful culture that lived in harmony with nature and the earth-mother-goddess savage culture that took the scalps from still-living prisoners as trophies and ate the still beating hearts of defeated foes.

FTFY. Native Americans were no more idyllic and peaceful than any other group of people in the history of the world, and painting them as a bunch of saps riding unicorns doesn't do them any justice. Especially when the world they lived in was so incredibly brutal.

Europe at the time was just as brutal, but at least I don't try to whitewash that history.

Goofball_Jones: Any other suggested books on this man?

Parkman, Francis - Pioneers of France in the New World
Language English

First of a series on the French in North America & widely available free on the internet

Link (new window) (in text form)

Link (new window) (in many formats)

He sounds like a MAVRICK(TM)

How in hell did this go green? Really? Why I oughtta cancel my $5 a month ... oh ... nevermind.

CaptainSmartass: bobbette: Damn straight Samuel de Champlain is awesome. He founded the city of Quebec, 400 years ago this year. One of the most influential explorers and administrators in the history of North America.

The city of What? Never heard of it.

Yeah, what state is that in? Sounds like one of those redneck towns in Alabama.

Has the policy on submitting links to sites that require registration changed recently?

From the FArQ...


Articles from the following sites will automatically be rejected:

* Sites that shut themselves down after getting a lot of traffic, like Geocities
* Ananova (long story)
* Any site requiring logins or registration to read articles

As far as the diseases go, no one at that time had a really good idea of what caused diseases. Bacteria has yet to be discovered. Sometimes, it was thought that diseases were caused by bad air or the devil.

A number of European explorers did quite well by going native in the colder climates. There were multiple arctic expeditions in the 19th century that failed miserably by following standard European practices of the era. They got lead poisoning from their canned food, schlepped a bunch of unnecessary luxury items around the arctic and died in an icky fashion. The explorers who found the remains went native, returned alive and were not thought too highly of by the British admiralty.

Beaver tail: delicious, but redundant.

Proof that he did not find Plymouth Harbor 15 years before the Pilgrams: Plymounth Rock is inscribed 1620, not 1605! Also, if he had found it first he would have named it Renault Rock! QED

I'm not in the mood to hunt down a log-in and password for see this article... get on it SUBTARD

There is a statue of him in my hometown of Plattsburgh New York. Look here

I remember reading the inscription when I was about ten years old. The scope of his explorations made a big enough impression that I remember the statue 40 years later. I'm just glad I found a picture and that I'm not just imagining things.

Well played, Shabash

David Hackett Fischer is a brilliant man. He teaches at my college and I've taken classes with him. He's soft-spoken, genuinely cares about his students, and can lecture in a manner that keeps you interested without fail.

I have ancestors who arrived in New France, New England and New Amsterdam in the 1630s and earlier. It gives me some historical "fairness and balance" that is sorely lacking in many Anglo-Canadian, British, Anglo-American and French Canadian historians, yea, even unto this day.

By any standard of accomplishment, Champlain was a great man--he explored an area as big as Western Europe, and founded against tremendous opposition and difficulties, a people more numerous than the Children of Abraham. Like George Washington, and even more so, he is rightly called the Father of His Country, even though he had no children.

Much history is still fraught with the prejudices, bias, party spirit, racism, and stupidity of generations. I learned a completely different history in New Brunswick (which is officially bilingual and has a population which is 35% Acadian, like Maine) than that learned in Quebec or Orangeman-ridden Ontario.

I may buy his book if I see it--I'm not put off by the "extraneous" background detail because I am interested in demography, genealogy, and the people and stories which are slowly disappearing from encyclopdias and biographical dictionaries to make room for new people with much smaller accomplishments.

I'm descended from every person mentioned in Champlain's will (except his young wife--who was not interested in her fair share of his legacy--his cousin--who was--and the religious orders, who presumably have few descendants and no known descendants).

Champlain left money to some of them (to one, on condition, that she marry, to another on conditon that he farm--to one of my ancestors he left one of the suits of clothes he owned--I hope it was one of the new suits Champlain ordered just before he died. Clothes were precious in those days--you'd be luck to get a new shirt each year if you weren't rich (and that includes the much smaller middle classes of that time).

Whether they are warp or woof, whether they show on the front or the back of the tapestry, a lot of these people were family, and through the miracle of geometric growth, are weaving their way into the families and the history of everybody on Earth.

I'm descended from the 10 most prolific French Canadian ancestors (and their wives)--each of whom had over 1,000 descendants by 1729. Any one of these families could have raised a full army of 5,000 men by the early XIXth century.

This Fischer is obviously not one of the Anglo bigots and chauvinists that destroy so much American and Canadian history, and I say bless him, even without his Pulitzer.

brantgoose: I have ancestors who arrived in New France, New England and New Amsterdam in the 1630s and earlier. It gives me some historical "fairness and balance" that is sorely lacking in many Anglo-Canadian, British, Anglo-American and French Canadian historians, yea, even unto this day.

By any standard of accomplishment, Champlain was a great man--he explored an area as big as Western Europe, and founded against tremendous opposition and difficulties, a people more numerous than the Children of Abraham. Like George Washington, and even more so, he is rightly called the Father of His Country, even though he had no children.

Much history is still fraught with the prejudices, bias, party spirit, racism, and stupidity of generations. I learned a completely different history in New Brunswick (which is officially bilingual and has a population which is 35% Acadian, like Maine) than that learned in Quebec or Orangeman-ridden Ontario.

I may buy his book if I see it--I'm not put off by the "extraneous" background detail because I am interested in demography, genealogy, and the people and stories which are slowly disappearing from encyclopdias and biographical dictionaries to make room for new people with much smaller accomplishments.

I'm descended from every person mentioned in Champlain's will (except his young wife--who was not interested in her fair share of his legacy--his cousin--who was--and the religious orders, who presumably have few descendants and no known descendants).

Champlain left money to some of them (to one, on condition, that she marry, to another on conditon that he farm--to one of my ancestors he left one of the suits of clothes he owned--I hope it was one of the new suits Champlain ordered just before he died. Clothes were precious in those days--you'd be luck to get a new shirt each year if you weren't rich (and that includes the much smaller middle classes of that time).

Whether they are warp or woof, whether they show on the front or the back of the tapestry, a lot of these people were family, and through the miracle of geometric growth, are weaving their way into the families and the history of everybody on Earth.

I'm descended from the 10 most prolific French Canadian ancestors (and their wives)--each of whom had over 1,000 descendants by 1729. Any one of these families could have raised a full army of 5,000 men by the early XIXth century.

This Fischer is obviously not one of the Anglo bigots and chauvinists that destroy so much American and Canadian history, and I say bless him, even without his Pulitzer.

Cool that you know your family history that far back.

I would say that I'd be happy to read a good book on Champlain, assuming it wasn't a $40 book as pointed out in the article.

I like history, but I don't like gougers.

elkraf: Proof that he did not find Plymouth Harbor 15 years before the Pilgrams: Plymounth Rock is inscribed 1620, not 1605!

Maybe the pilgrims couldn't read french.