Milestone greenlight- #75.

Sixty percent of all new voters this year were under age 30, according to a report by Tuft's Tisch College Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement, or CIRCLE.

Barack fellating aside, this is very impressive. I just hope more politicians in the future can inspire the next generations to get involved in the political process.

Kome: Sixty percent of all new voters this year were under age 30, according to a report by Tuft's Tisch College Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement, or CIRCLE.

Barack fellating aside, this is very impressive. I just hope more politicians in the future can inspire the next generations to get involved in the political process.

Why would you want to put Barack fellating to the side?

DarkJohnson: 'Orly?'

Are you claiming that the video you linked rebuts TFA and TFH? It certainly doesn't, in fact, it doesn't even claim to.

That kind of split has to be disconcerting for conservatives. Obviously some of those young voters are going to become more conservative as they get older, as people tend to, but there could also be an entire generation of liberals spawned by the culture wars of recent decades.

I think for the GOP to regain power, they need to dump the cultural stuff, where the electorate is likely to move to the left in future elections. Their best chance of returning to power is to be, first, last and always the party of small, unintrusive government. That is a battle as old as the republic, and will constantly go back and forth with the fortunes of the nation.

There will never be a permanent majority for either side.

Larry Mahnken: That kind of split has to be disconcerting for conservatives. Obviously some of those young voters are going to become more conservative as they get older, as people tend to, but there could also be an entire generation of liberals spawned by the culture wars of recent decades.

I think for the GOP to regain power, they need to dump the cultural stuff, where the electorate is likely to move to the left in future elections. Their best chance of returning to power is to be, first, last and always the party of small, unintrusive government. That is a battle as old as the republic, and will constantly go back and forth with the fortunes of the nation.

There will never be a permanent majority for either side.

i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

now, most in that movement also were indoctrinated with the conservative economics, which sort of psychologically tied liberal economic theories to their hatred of the excesses of the hippie lifestyle.

on one hand, it's fascinating right now because a lot of them are having those mental ties attacked by the recent economic failures, forcing them to question things they haven't questioned in decades.

but more appropriately to TFA, their children (my generation) don't have those psychological constructs, and assess conservative economics on its merits. some support it, some reject it, but i don't know anyone my age that blindly follows it for the same cultural reasons as their parents.

Ok, not really relevant but I'm putting it out there. I've always felt all politicians in any position of power are corrupt before they begin, as you can not achieve that level of power without being bought and sold.

Obama was elected using funds donated by people all across this country, donated in amounts big and small.

So is Obama now beholden only to the American public, those that elected him, rather than some big business or lobbyist group? Did the internet act to level the playing field once and for all?

DoctorCal: Are you claiming that the video you linked rebuts TFA and TFH? It certainly doesn't, in fact, it doesn't even claim to.

Yeah, I agree. Color me in failed troll
goddamnit

Larry Mahnken: Obviously some of those young voters are going to become more conservative as they get older, as people tend to, but there could also be an entire generation of liberals spawned by the culture wars of recent decades.

I've never really bought the line that people get more conservative as they get older. I think its better to say that as time passes, the political discourse gets more liberal. So people who were liberal in their youth are now "average" or maybe more consverative than average, but they haven't changed their view all that much.

Larry Mahnken: That kind of split has to be disconcerting for conservatives. Obviously some of those young voters are going to become more conservative as they get older, as people tend to, but there could also be an entire generation of liberals spawned by the culture wars of recent decades.

I think for the GOP to regain power, they need to dump the cultural stuff, where the electorate is likely to move to the left in future elections. Their best chance of returning to power is to be, first, last and always the party of small, unintrusive government. That is a battle as old as the republic, and will constantly go back and forth with the fortunes of the nation.

There will never be a permanent majority for either side.

Yup. Culture wars - essentially a non-issue for youth voters except for maybe young evangelicals. And they even increased their support for Obama this year.

The really significant thing is, youth voters have no memories of the Reagan era. That's to say, if they really stretch they can remember Bush I. Their childhood nostalgia is the Clinton years. The horrible 8 years of mismanagement during their teens/early 20s, when they first started paying attention to politics? Those are the Bush years.

The formative experiences the youth vote has with the Republican party is George W. Bush's Presidency. Alberto Gonzales and the attorney firing scandal, the war in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Rovian politics, division and anger, the failed response to Hurricane Katrina, illegal wiretapping and the Patriot Act, the economic meltdown, and then, as the alternative to Bush, the idiocy of Sarah Palin (who has very limited appeal), John McCain and the anger rallies and name-calling of the last few weeks of the election. That's a huge turnoff from the Republican party for all voters, but for people who can't remember a Republican party having any kind of upside, it's an even bigger turnoff.

The youth who voted/volunteered this year for Obama, on the other hand, have a strong sense of empowerment. They supported a candidate who promised a change in Washington, they volunteered for him, they gave him money, they supported politicans on Facebook and updated their statuses with "Yes we can!" a billion times and changed their photos to that Hope painting, they voted and they got their candidate elected. Or, if they were apathetic, they still noticed their friends' increased/obsessive involvement and that it delivered results.

The Republican party might very well have permanently farked up their chances at getting significant support from the Millennial demographic altogether. And they can't blame anyone but George W. Bush.

MsInterpreted: So is Obama now beholden only to the American public, those that elected him, rather than some big business or lobbyist group? Did the internet act to level the playing field once and for all?

Anyone who says they know for sure is lying. The only way we will tell is to watch the Obama run white house. I'm laying off the Obama hate for the most part since until he gets into office, everything being thrown about is stuff we already knew.

Once he gets in and starts doing stuff, THEN we will have some material to start judging his performance.

burndtdan: i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

It's not the conservative movement that is dying, it's the GOP. People are beginning to realize that the "R" label does not automatically mean "conservative". Thus explaining the poor GOP turnout. More importantly, people are starting to realize the difference between a "moral conservative" and a "fiscal conservative". These people have not yet discovered 3rd party candidates or don't want to break rank despite not believing in their candidates policies.

Until this mess gets figured out, the Dems are going to have an advantage. If Fiscal conservatives can throw out the Moral conservatives,then things will become much easier.

Crosshair: It's not the conservative movement that is dying, it's the GOP.

the conservative movement is the GOP, started and sustained with the southern strategy... though it has changed slightly over time, it really is still the southern strategy at play, and the culture war of the vietnam era.

there are conservatives outside of it, but they don't represent a vast majority of the electorate. the conservative movement overtook the middle, pulling them to the GOP side.

that movement is dying.

bobbette: The formative experiences the youth vote has with the Republican party is George W. Bush's Presidency. Alberto Gonzales and the attorney firing scandal, the war in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Rovian politics, division and anger, the failed response to Hurricane Katrina, illegal wiretapping and the Patriot Act, the economic meltdown, and then, as the alternative to Bush, the idiocy of Sarah Palin (who has very limited appeal), John McCain and the anger rallies and name-calling of the last few weeks of the election. That's a huge turnoff from the Republican party for all voters, but for people who can't remember a Republican party having any kind of upside, it's an even bigger turnoff.

I'm 37 and remember Carter and Reagan, to some degree. But I think any percieved upsides to the Republicans just don't apply at all to the current party.

News flash: Conservatives are conservative. Not even Reagan did what he promised. Sheesh.

Sorry to rain on your parade:
Report: '08 turnout same as or only slightly higher than '04 (new window)

The young and dumb vote up against the old and senile vote.

burndtdan: i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

Conservatives have been around for well longer than 50 years. Read a book.

Obama has largest youth mandate in modern history

He's gonna make you work for free.

Laugh now, little commies.

Rockdrummer: Sorry to rain on your parade:
Report: '08 turnout same as or only slightly higher than '04 (new window)

That doesn't matter, what matters is that it's 2-1 Democratic advantage in 18-34. Odds are once you vote for a major party in 3 elections, you will stay will that party for life.

This...

hasty ambush: The young and dumb vote up against the old and senile vote.

RON PAUL!

Shostie: burndtdan: i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

Conservatives have been around for well longer than 50 years. Read a book.

massive, unimaginable fail?

obviously there always have been and always will be conservatives- he's talking about the conservative movement, of reagan, limbaugh, pat robertson, new gingrinch, et al.

basic reading comperhension is a good thing to have when trying to criticize someone else's literacy.

Rockdrummer: Sorry to rain on your parade:
Report: '08 turnout same as or only slightly higher than '04 (new window)

TFA is not talking about turnout. It's the split between candidates.

the GOP is a broken and antiquated carcass of a bygone era.
And I would further posit that the Democratic party is no longer the same. Obama has morphed the party into a new and vibrant movement seeking to restore America to respectability and power in the world through hope and leadership rather than fear and divisiveness.

Shostie: burndtdan: i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

Conservatives have been around for well longer than 50 years. Read a book.

yes, but they were generally the opposition party until nixon started the southern strategy.

i read a lot of books.

barneyfifesbullet: Obama has largest youth mandate in modern history

He's gonna make you work for free.

Laugh now, little commies.

Do you actully drool while you are writing these types of comments?

burndtdan: Shostie: burndtdan: i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

Conservatives have been around for well longer than 50 years. Read a book.

yes, but they were generally the opposition party until nixon started the southern strategy.

i read a lot of books.

key word read... past tense

PresidentPutz: Obama has morphed the party into a new and vibrant movement seeking to restore America to respectability and power

Let's let him take office first. Either way, The Obama isn't going to carry the nation. It's going to rely on your ass. . .and mine to restore America.

It's certainly been tardy lately.

barneyfifesbullet: Obama has largest youth mandate in modern history

He's gonna make you work for free.

Laugh now, little commies.

wow are you still in the prediction business? Remember this little gem:

barneyfifesbullet
2008-09-14 02:11:16 PM
As the election gets closer and Obama sinks farther into second place, the desperate will be increasingly screaming all kinds of conspiracy at everyone and everything.

It's one of those sad but funny things.

Can't wait to see the stuff they dream up after Obama actually loses. Popcorn time.
Link (new window)

My only question is, does he have political capital? Bush said he had some, so I'm guessing Obama has some now, too.

The GOP will would do well to repair itself by getting it's lips off of the proverbial cock of the religious right wing crazies.

SeismicJizzer

Fark award for ass handing is yours today. Well done.

ayenull: barneyfifesbullet: Obama has largest youth mandate in modern history

He's gonna make you work for free.

Laugh now, little commies.

Do you actully drool while you are writing these types of comments?

I laugh at a lack of a sense of humor. Cheer up.

drool

barneyfifesbullet
2008-09-14 02:11:16 PM

That's why I don't gamble.

hasty ambush:
The young and dumb disgusted vote up against the old and senile vote.
Much better.

HA HA HA HA fark you neo cons

PresidentPutz: Obama has morphed the party into a new and vibrant movement seeking to restore America to respectability and power in the world through hope and leadership rather than fear and divisiveness.

Respectability? I'll buy that. Power? No.

We will be less powerful in 4 years than we are today. Obama cannot change that.

The GOP just needs to get over the social conservatism crap, and stop giving those crazy kooks positions of power. That stuff belongs in the dustbin of history. They might actually be a reasonable alternative if they would a) drop the evangelical-fellating, and b) return to being a fiscally conservative party. They've abandoned b) by continuing to advocate huge tax cuts but forgetting about the "fiscal restraint" part. So right now they are just horrible in every way, and essentially represent authoritarian Christian nationalist fascism.

And yet voter turnout was the same as 2004:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-s lightly-higher-than-04/
Despite early voting, registration efforts, etc.

curlyjoe: And yet voter turnout was the same as 2004:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-s lightly-higher-than-04/
Despite early voting, registration efforts, etc.

But that was mainly because Republicans just didn't care for their own candidate very much, not because all of the Democratic registration efforts, early voting, etc failing.

Mnemia: The GOP just needs to get over the social conservatism crap, and stop giving those crazy kooks positions of power. That stuff belongs in the dustbin of history. They might actually be a reasonable alternative if they would a) drop the evangelical-fellating, and b) return to being a fiscally conservative party. They've abandoned b) by continuing to advocate huge tax cuts but forgetting about the "fiscal restraint" part. So right now they are just horrible in every way, and essentially represent authoritarian Christian nationalist fascism.

Agreed 100 percent.

in 4 years, a millions of old people are going to die and millions of new youth voters will become part of the electorate. sooo.. don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Republicans.

curlyjoe: And yet voter turnout was the same as 2004:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only-s lightly-higher-than-04/
Despite early voting, registration efforts, etc.

The Democrat voter turn out was up while the Republican turnout was down.

barneyfifesbullet: That's why I don't gamble.

I think you'd be an excellent gambler; just bet on the exact opposite of whatever you think is going to happen.

smeegle: The Democrat voter turn out was up while the Republican turnout was down.

Yep:

In 2004, turnout was 6 percentage points higher than in 2000. But Gans said he believed it did not spike more this year because fewer Republicans went to the polls. While it may be premature to draw conclusions, Gans said, it appeared that Republican voting declined 1.3 points, to 28.7 percent of the electorate, while Democratic turnout rose from 28.7 percent to 31.3 percent of the electorate.

oh my god, i'm tired of his voice already!

Shostie: burndtdan: i think the now-dying conservative movement was a reaction to the culture war of the 60s. it was less an economic conservative movement than an anti-hippie movement.

Conservatives have been around for well longer than 50 years. Read a book.

Yep. It was called McCarthyism before they got kinder and gentler.

/fine legacy they got there

Clipsy: I think you'd be an excellent gambler; just bet on the exact opposite of whatever you think is going to happen.

I find it hilarious some doche emo kid saved my beered up post. Especially, when I couldn't care less about him in any way.

That's just how hateful the kos kids are.

curlyjoe: And yet voter turnout was the same as 2004:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/report-08-turnout-same-or-only- s lightly-higher-than-04/
Despite early voting, registration efforts, etc.

It is all a crock, but any facts that get in the way of the obama-will-save-the-world storyline will be ignored. At least, for now.

The fact is a substantial part of the Repub base didn't show up to and vote McCain. They don't like the guy and never have. That's the diff right there. Obama only got 400k more votes than Bush did in 2004.

Anyway, let's see how happy the youth are when they all get sent out to the highway by Barry to pick up trash for free. Hey, maybe you'll get a free brown shirt.

omg doche