Of Democrat voter fraud, my friends.

I think it's pretty telling, even if he doesn't win states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, etc, he's outperforming George Bush huge. And not to mention North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico, etc.

ragekage: I think it's pretty telling, even if he doesn't win states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, etc, he's outperforming George Bush huge. And not to mention North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, New Mexico, etc.

Oops. Wrong thread. Selfpwn.

Well, what d'you expect? That's why bush fired all them federal attourneys, isn't it? Because they wouldn't prosecute these voter fraud cases without evidence?

A review of prosecutors' statements and documents filed by Republicans in the most serious new cases alleging voter fraud shows that none offer an example in which a fraudulently registered person managed to cast a valid vote. While several cases argue that such frauds are possible, none sketched a scenario for how massive numbers of people could fake registrations and then vote.


Sounds like the party officials are just laying the ground work for when they get their asses kicked on tuesday.

"oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Another member of McCain's Honest and Open Election Committee, Harvard law professor and former U.S. solicitor general Charles Fried, stepped down last week after voting absentee for Obama-Biden. He said by e-mail that the campaign's positions on voter fraud had not figured in his decision. "It was all about Sarah Palin who is spectacularly unqualified," Fried wrote. "My decision had nothing at all to do with the justified outrage against the shenanigans of ACORN and the like."

Ouch.

Cue the people making the argument,

"Because voter fraud is at all possible, we must enact measures that will disenfranchise voters in order to stop it, even though it's basically non-existent."

Knight without armor: Of Democrat voter fraud, my friends.

So, aside from the usual caging and voter intimidation tactics, do you know of any reports of Republican vote fraud?

Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

The Republicans have got to do something to maintain their grip on the freepers and dittoheads. The fog of unreality must be maintained, lest they start to wake up, realize just how badly they've been had, and start to rebel against the programming.

can has election now?

Obdicut: Cue the people making the argument,

"Because voter fraud is at all possible, we must enact measures that will disenfranchise voters in order to stop it, even though it's basically non-existent."

Hey, it worked for drunk driving and the anti-smoking crowd. even if the risk is statistically insignificant, we MUST BAN IT COMPLETELY! Muahahahahahahaha!

meanwhile:
GOP IT guru who routed the '04 Ohio election results through his servers before reporting just subpoenaed, Rove likely next (new window)

Security vulnerabilities in electronic voting machines threaten to skew results in the upcoming national election, says a Republican security expert. Stephen Spoonamore has come forward as a whistleblower willing to testify in an Ohio court case (new window)

Add Georgia to the list of states where Republican officials are actively engaged in voter suppression efforts (new window)

Drinking the ACORN Kool-Aid: How Cries of Voter Fraud Cover Up GOP Elections Theft (new window)

GOP efforts to block the vote in Ohio hit another snag (new window)

Another GOP vote purge falls flat, this time in Colorado (new window)

Add Pennsylvania to the list of states where GOP voter suppression efforts are going down in flames. (new window)

How are GOP voter suppression efforts faring in key states around the US? Check TPM's Republican Voter Suppression Guide (new window)

"By any means necessary" could describe the Republican plan to steal the election (new window)

Ohio Secretary of State faces death threats after winning fight with the GOP over election laws. (new window)

"What of those who have already voted?" GOP Lawyer: "Maybe those votes should be discarded." (new window)


Big setbacks for GOP voter suppression efforts in swing states (new window)

Michigan Republicans Admit to Illegal Foreclosure Scheme, "Surrender" to Democrats (new window)

Refresher: McCain gives up on Michigan (new window)

McCain campaign to "give up" on Colorado (new window)


Refresher: One out of five Colorado voters purged from voter registration (new window)

(Apparently, when McCain pulls out of a state, it means the fix was in.)

The first arrest for voter fraud has occured. Republican Mark Jacoby, (new window)

CNN fact-check: 'This is looking like a fraud committed against ACORN.' (new window)

13 Million Voters Purged -- and Counting! (new window)

The Theft of 2008 (new window)

Elections official bans media from polling places. In America (new window)


GOP Attempts to Disenfranchise 600,000 Voters In Ohio (new window)

Facts About ACORN and Alleged Voter Fraud (new window)

Charlie Crist (R-Florida) calls shenanigans on the GOP's accusations of ACORN voter fraud (new window)

ACORN Is Under Fire for Allegedly Submitting Fake Voter Registrations (Under law they are required to submit ALL voter registrations) (new window)

GOP: There's massive voter fraud; Researcher: Not so much, unless you think 26 votes from 2002-2005 is "massive." As Republicans warn of catastrophe at the polls, an expert on election fraud explains the real partisan hoax -- the suppression of Democratic votes. (new window)

Slap on the wrist: U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy issued a scathing order Wednesday lambasting the Montana Republican Party for challenging the registrations of thousands of Montana voters (new window)

Montana Republican party changes its mind, decides not to challenge 1% of all registered voters in the state (new window)

... and that's all I have to say about that.

Weaver95: Obdicut: Cue the people making the argument,

"Because voter fraud is at all possible, we must enact measures that will disenfranchise voters in order to stop it, even though it's basically non-existent."

Hey, it worked for drunk driving and the anti-smoking crowd. even if the risk is statistically insignificant, we MUST BAN IT COMPLETELY! Muahahahahahahaha!

And TV shows! We must ban TV shows that offend our sects sensibilities and impose our morality on everyone else!

Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

I lol'd

Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Hey, the Dems have been whining about it for the last 8 years. I think some people in the GOP are thinking that it's their turn.

Crosshair: Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Hey, the Dems have been whining about it for the last 8 years. I think some people in the GOP are thinking that it's their turn.

It's a pointless argument. If they have proof of voter fraud, then shut up and bring the proof. if they DON'T have proof - STFU. And if they think the system is flawed then they should fix it so that voting is safe and secure for everyone.

Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

I would pay good money to watch Gollum as a supporting character in an NBC "Wacky roommies in metrosexual setting" sitcom. I realize this puts me somewhere beneath "furry" on the Internet food chain.

This lie, this myth of ACORN being a cog in the "vast left wing conspiracy" is absolutely sickening to me, as it shows instantly that the speaker is purely void of any substance. Those that, come 11/5, will cry "ACORN came and took my 'lection!" are the very people that allowed Karl Rove's group of thugs to hijack a once noble party.

There is a reason why I say this. ACORN did not set an institutional policy of committing voter fraud. Instead, they decided that the best way to register new voters was to pay canvassers by the registration. This means that the lowest paid ACORN employees had financial incentive to create phony voter registration cards.

Once handed into ACORN, the organization was legally bound to turn in all registration cards that they received. Instead of mixing them into the legitimate registrations in an attempt to sneak a few by, they set the potentially fraudulent registrations aside and informed the local Boards of Elections of their questionable nature.

Even if they had NOT done so, fraudulent registrations could not have conceivably altered the results of an election, because VOTES count, not registrations. In order to alter an election, "Mickey Mouse" must show up to the polls, present valid photo ID, cast a ballot, and repeat this process UP TO 50,000 TIMES PER TARGETED STATE.

The real concern is not "voter fraud," which has not altered an election in nearly 100 years, but "election fraud," which is carried out on the tabulation side of the polls. I'm no tin-foil-hat-wearer who insists that the 2000 and 2004 elections WERE stolen, however, I recognize that the possibility for election fraud is very real and very threatening.

To demonstrate this, I will take you back to Ohio, circa 2004. The new, electronic voting machines were created by a third party corporation. The Federal Government, which mandated the use of those machines, had no oversight of their design or their programming. This created the possibility of deliberately faulty voting machines, which could have altered the election results.

Those voting machines reported in to tabulation machines at the County level via the internet. These tabulation machines, likewise, were not overseen by the Government, thus creating the same concern.

Those tabulation machines then reported the results from their counties to a server run by a small corporation. That server could well have modified the results from each county before sending the information to the Ohio Secretary of State's office.

These same weaknesses exist in many "battleground" states this year.

Worry not about ACORN, but instead fret over DIEBOLD.


/posted in another thread first
//fits better here

Weaver95: Hey, it worked for drunk driving and the anti-smoking crowd.

You're for drunk driving?

HL : GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud. But, uh, ACORN booga booga booga

And they can also offer scant proof that subby robbed a bank tomorrow.

//Perhaps subby needs to review the difference between past, present & future?.
//It's hard to provide proof that a crime has been committed before it's actually committed.
//All you can provide is proof of preparations to commit a crime.
//To vote illegally first you need to register (to vote) illegally.
//Acorn is doing that in droves.

//If it doesn't strike you as curious that some counties have achieved higher numbers of registered voters than they have 18+ year-old residents, you're either an idiot or a toll. Or both.

bmasso: HL : GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud. But, uh, ACORN booga booga booga

And they can also offer scant proof that subby robbed a bank tomorrow.

//Perhaps subby needs to review the difference between past, present & future?.
//It's hard to provide proof that a crime has been committed

I take it you don't live in an early voting state?

abb3w: aside from the usual caging and voter intimidation

You want felons?

Weaver95: Crosshair: Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Hey, the Dems have been whining about it for the last 8 years. I think some people in the GOP are thinking that it's their turn.

It's a pointless argument. If they have proof of voter fraud, then shut up and bring the proof. if they DON'T have proof - STFU. And if they think the system is flawed then they should fix it so that voting is safe and secure for everyone.

That assumes evidence plays into their fantasy life at all. I was canvassing for Obama today in eastern PA (Lehigh Valley), and some McCain supporter cornered me, accused me of being a socialist, illegal-immigrant-loving, ACORN-conspiring son of a biatch.

And then someone broke into our car to steal the GOTV door hangers we were using.

Reality and laws appear to be optional.

/I may be generalizing, but I'm really pissed off.

30% fraudulent registrations.

If you think that happens accidentally you must be an O-bot.

Weaver95: A review of prosecutors' statements and documents filed by Republicans in the most serious new cases alleging voter fraud shows that none offer an example in which a fraudulently registered person managed to cast a valid vote. While several cases argue that such frauds are possible, none sketched a scenario for how massive numbers of people could fake registrations and then vote.


Sounds like the party officials are just laying the ground work for when they get their asses kicked on tuesday.

"oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Really, can they be any more transparent?

Weaver95: Crosshair: Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Hey, the Dems have been whining about it for the last 8 years. I think some people in the GOP are thinking that it's their turn.

It's a pointless argument. If they have proof of voter fraud, then shut up and bring the proof. if they DON'T have proof - STFU. And if they think the system is flawed then they should fix it so that voting is safe and secure for everyone.

A Republican individual to whose computer Ohio's 2004 vote totals were electronically delivered prior to tabulation was just subpoenaed to appear for a deposition on Monday. The moment when he received the subpoena was caught on camera. As he realized he was being pulled away from his important work on this year's election, and off to another world entirely, he gazed out of a window wistfully.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Electronic voting machines with no paper backups, that switch votes to Republican candidiates, that were manufactured by a company whose CEO promised to deliver Ohio's electoral votes for Bush--that's a lot of smoke. The quantum of proof you're asking is unreasonably high. The 2004 election could have been electronically stolen, and that's enough reason alone to question Bush's 2nd term legitimacy.

I trust you'd be equally accepting of voting machines manufactured by a company who's CEO promised to deliver elctoral votes for Obama, who's machines have a reputation for switching votes to Democrats, and whose machines have no mechanism of accountability.

bmasso: //All you can provide is proof of preparations to commit a crime.
//To vote illegally first you need to register (to vote) illegally.
//Acorn is doing that in droves.

Do you understand that if someone fills out a clearly fraudulent registration, ACORN is legally obliged to submit that registration?

Also, it's not in the least true that for voter fraud you have to have voter registration fraud. That's a very, very uninformed thing to say. Very. Very very.

bmasso: //To vote illegally first you need to register (to vote) illegally.
//Acorn is doing that in droves.


Nope. Try again.

Better yet, link to a single time somebody registered illegally managed to cast a vote you stupid bastard. Seriously, dumb mutherfukkers like you are ruining the country. DIAF.

Weaver95: Crosshair: Hey, the Dems have been whining about it for the last 8 years. I think some people in the GOP are thinking that it's their turn.

It's a pointless argument. If they have proof of voter fraud, then shut up and bring the proof. if they DON'T have proof - STFU. And if they think the system is flawed then they should fix it so that voting is safe and secure for everyone.

Many years ago, before dinosaurs roamed the Earth, I'd read the occasional comment by Weaver95 and think "why is that guy such a shamelessly Republican asshole?" I've since realized that even his considerable insight was being suppressed and polluted by the typical GOP bullshiat; fortunately, he seems to have regained his senses. He is now favorited in a unique color (orange 2), so that I can find his pearls of even-handed criticism and his razor wit easily.

jayg22: cartoon whaaarrrgaarbl

The GOP has done more to destroy democracy than ACORN ever could.

McCain-Palin have two chances of winning, Slim and none and Slim is gonna be at the bar tuesday having a beer with Obama.

Crosshair: Weaver95: "oh noes, we didn't LOSE! the election was STOLENS from us by the nasty, tricksy, false DEMOCRATSES! Hates it forevers we does, my precious!"

Hey, the Dems have been whining about it for the last 8 years. I think some people in the GOP are thinking that it's their turn.

Well, if you blame your failure on something else, then how are you going to learn from your mistakes? Obama has 10,000 lawyers in Florida alone for a reason.

T-Servo: And then someone broke into our car to steal the GOTV door hangers we were using.


Funny you should mention that....

As I was driving to work yesterday morning I had a nagging feeling in the back of mind. It wasn't until I got on the highway that it clicked - someone had gone around the neighborhood and stolen nearly every last Obama/Biden sign and every last Bob Barr poster. They even got the Obama signs from along the cornfields. The only signs that didn't get stolen were the ones located on very well lit areas with good security systems around the house.

I don't know if someone was organizing a massive theft of opposition campaign signage or not, but it was pretty odd.

bmasso - "If it doesn't strike you as curious that some counties have achieved higher numbers of registered voters than they have 18+ year-old residents.."

Name one county.

bmasso: HL : GOP offers scant proof of voter fraud. But, uh, ACORN booga booga booga

And they can also offer scant proof that subby robbed a bank tomorrow.

//Perhaps subby needs to review the difference between past, present & future?.
//It's hard to provide proof that a crime has been committed before it's actually committed.
//All you can provide is proof of preparations to commit a crime.
//To vote illegally first you need to register (to vote) illegally.
//Acorn is doing that in droves.

//If it doesn't strike you as curious that some counties have achieved higher numbers of registered voters than they have 18+ year-old residents, you're either an idiot or a toll. Or both.

You didn't read the article did you?

DarnoKonrad

*golf clap*

Weaver95: Sounds like the party officials are just laying the ground work for when they get their asses kicked on tuesday.

It's pretty much inevitable. That'll be the first thing on AM radio Wednesday morning. The far right is utterly convinced that the hundreds of independent polls predicting an Obama landslide are all wrong, and that McCain is going to win soundly. And the farther behind he gets, the more convinced they are that he'll win in a landslide. When they wake up to the "SHOCKER OBAMA COME-FROM-BEHIND victory", they'll cry foul.

Weaver95: I don't know if someone was organizing a massive theft of opposition campaign signage or not, but it was pretty odd.

Our yard sign, and many of my colleagues', have been stolen as well. It almost seems like a concerted effort to snag as many as possible. It only motivated us to donate money, and my volunteering this weekend was motivated by it as well.

The Ron Paul sign in our neighborhood was safe, but who would be crazy enough to steal a sign from that guy's yard?

T-Servo: Weaver95: I don't know if someone was organizing a massive theft of opposition campaign signage or not, but it was pretty odd.

Our yard sign, and many of my colleagues', have been stolen as well. It almost seems like a concerted effort to snag as many as possible. It only motivated us to donate money, and my volunteering this weekend was motivated by it as well.

The Ron Paul sign in our neighborhood was safe, but who would be crazy enough to steal a sign from that guy's yard?

I think that if I were to ever run for office, I'd put RFID tags in the signs. that way I might be able to at least theoretically trace them should they get stolen.

Anyways, if you have to go around stealing campaign signs then your campaign is in serious trouble.

POAC: Security vulnerabilities in electronic voting machines threaten to skew results in the upcoming national election, says a Republican security expert. Stephen Spoonamore has come forward as a whistleblower willing to testify in an Ohio court case (new window)

Most disturbing about Spoonamore's claims is that there is already a plan in play to swing the Presidential race to John McCain, who he claims will win by 3 electoral votes and 51% of the popular vote. If these claims were made someone less credible, it would be fodder for conspiracy theory.

That one blows me away.

If those godless heathens can figure it out, why can't the god fearing GOP?

Hurry up and get your death throes over with.coonts.

ragekage: Well, what d'you expect? That's why bush fired all them federal attourneys, isn't it? Because they wouldn't prosecute these voter fraud cases without evidence?

^this

Weaver95: T-Servo: Weaver95: I don't know if someone was organizing a massive theft of opposition campaign signage or not, but it was pretty odd.

Our yard sign, and many of my colleagues', have been stolen as well. It almost seems like a concerted effort to snag as many as possible. It only motivated us to donate money, and my volunteering this weekend was motivated by it as well.

The Ron Paul sign in our neighborhood was safe, but who would be crazy enough to steal a sign from that guy's yard?

I think that if I were to ever run for office, I'd put RFID tags in the signs. that way I might be able to at least theoretically trace them should they get stolen.

Anyways, if you have to go around stealing campaign signs then your campaign is in serious trouble.

Exploding dye packs would be efective as well.

cretinbob: If those godless heathens can figure it out, why can't the god fearing GOP?

This would be such a fun addition to voting.

Wednesday should be "interesting" not matter who wins. If Obama wins, and the Dems do well in the Congressional races, not only do I see some potential for real change, but I also get to watch the wingnuts go completely apeshiate.

ayenull: Exploding dye packs would be efective hilarious(!) as well.

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