before everyone starts bashing pitbulls and spouting numbers, reread those numbers. Lumping any dog that has a specific build or certain features is called profiling and this always skews your numbers. My American Pitbull Terrier only bit 1 person in 12 years. That man was breaking into my house.
Here are your numbers, skewed as they are.

he was alive before he was dead.

Seems like the problem here may be that the family neglected Chester and basically *housed* him in the basement with the dogs.. He was old and suffered dementia and was left in a bare, dank basement by himself.. I took care of my grandfather at the end of his life and the thought of sticking him in a basement with nothing but a bed, chair and tv is just wrong, wrong, wrong....

Dammit. I trained those pitbulls to only attack zombies.

62-year-old Chester R. Jordan was alive when he was attacked and killed

That's some good investigative journalism, Lou.

Pit Bulls as in Canines? or Pit Bulls as in Soccer Moms?

Was he killed till he was dead?

TSD: before everyone starts bashing pitbulls and spouting numbers, reread those numbers. Lumping any dog that has a specific build or certain features is called profiling and this always skews your numbers.

I think the key difference between pit bull attacks and other dog attacks is that when most dogs attack you, you need stitches, and when a pit bull attacks you, you need a coroner.

/more people are cut by knives than are blown up with grenades
//that doesn't mean grenades are safe to keep in the kitchen

Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

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Winston Smith '84: Pit Bulls as in Canines? or Pit Bulls as in Soccer Hockey Moms?

FTFY

Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

What are you thoughts about humans with natural inclination to kill other humans?

Where are they going to bury the survivors?

Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

Me too! While we're at it, we should euthanize the children of murderers, rapists, and thieves, since that natural inclination to break the law will most definitely follow in their parents' footsteps.

Maybe he's only mostly dead?

It could be dangerous just being almost killed to death...
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Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

Is this your final solution to the problem?

The only reason Pits and to a lesser extent rotties(because of their cost) are the dogs that do this stuff is the type of people that own them. I know plenty of people with pits, and they are all great dogs, because they have responsible owners. I also know people with 125 pound rotties that are nice dogs. The people who buy big dogs and don't train them, or worse train them to be mean are the problem, not the ones who train them like any other dog. I have seen Labradors draw blood from people and other dogs. I have seen jack russel terriers that are mean as hell, they just can't really do any damage.

If you have a dog that is over 50 pounds, it can do alot of damage and needs to be trained. This is true for pits, rotties, labs, even golden retrievers. Demonizing breeds takes responsibility away from the person it should lie with, the owner.

Let me know if his condition changes.

gorgor: Let me know if his condition changes.

His condition has been upgraded to 'Zombie'

The only 2 reasons to own a pit bull is to defy wisdom (keeping an unsafe animal around for the sake of it being around), and use it a symbol of how other people's comfort will not control you! Screw other people, right? By putting them at risk, you can feel good about yourself and you independence.

There are no other features of a pit bulls that are not found in other dogs. Pit bulls reflect owners who insist on feeling some personal power by making other people uncomfortable. They get pleasure from describing why they chose a dog and why their dog is not violent, even though the dog itself is always implicitly threatening. The owners recognize the threat, and they feel good when they attempt to disarm the threat, "My dog is not dangerous!" which obviously implies that it could be. They love the power they feel, "Some people want to ban these dogs, but not me! I love mine!" When asked why they would want to live with such a threat, it is clear they enjoy feeling like they are liberating themselves in a way that make other people cringe. Pit bull ownership is all about power.

I dislike the idea of dogs bred for fighting living with a person whose self-esteem depends on the discomfort of others. the dog must have an interesting time reading their complicated social interactions.

Just to get this out of the way...

EmployeeOfTheMinute: gorgor: Let me know if his condition changes.

His condition has been upgraded to 'Zombie'

An old Top Secret line :)
What is his condition?
He's dead.

<i>Southpaw018 2008-11-02 03:50:38 PM
Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans</i>

Pretty much this.

Subby your Boobies of the pit in the poster is in poor taste and you second with a chart from SOME ONE is self serving bullshiat.

Get back to me when you have three newspaper reported incidences of a pack of LABS or POODLES killing someone.

Don't go around looking like bacon.

TheRameres: Me too! While we're at it, we should euthanize the children of murderers, rapists, and thieves, since that natural inclination to break the law will most definitely follow in their parents' footsteps.

That's a bit drastic. Sterilisation is sufficient.

Gosling: Dammit. I trained those pitbulls to only attack zombies.

I'm sure he mostly was one, and they made the right choice.

This article made me gag for two reasons:

1.) Who the heck keeps an old man with dementia in a basement with a bed, TV, and three pit bulls? Cruelty and neglect.

2.) Who the heck keeps three pit bulls locks up in the basement all day? And then has six more puppies in the garage? What is the reasoning?

My uncle owned two pit bulls in MA. They are extremely high energy, willful dogs, and they thus require high energy, willful owners. My uncle ruled those dogs with an iron fist. He also exercised them for at least two hours a day.

When you keep a high strung dog like a pit bull in a tiny house, apartment, etc, with no way of releasing that energy...it turns to aggression and grandpa-mauling. They are not city dogs. They are not family dogs. It's like trying to keep a horse in your apartment. The horse needs a lot of room. So does a pit bull.

I hate these people who buy them for "protection" in cities. It's just asking for trouble.

/end rant

Dogs can attack a corpse and crack open the skull a feast on the goo inside.

Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

Although I am sure that you are a troll, I feel very strongly about this subject so here are some statistics:

The American Temperament Test Society, Inc. (ATTS) is a professional organization that objectively tests the temperaments of various dog breeds.

They do this by methodically exposing members of a breed to a series of confrontational situations, then measuring their reaction. The more aggressive the reaction, the lower the score the dog receives. The score is based on the percentage of dogs in a breed that passed the test:

Here are some of the most recent results available. We've included some widely considered "most friendly" (like beagles and poodles) and some labeled "dangerous" (like Rottweilers, German Shepherds, and of course, pit bulls.

Warning: you will be surprised by the results!
ATTS Scores by Breed
Afghan: 72%
Australian Shepard: 79.2%
Beagle: 78.2%
Cairn Terrier: 70.7%
Chihuahua: 70.6%
Cocker Spaniel: 81.5%
German Shepherd: 82.8%
Golden Retriever: 83.6%
Labrador Retriever: 91.1%
Rottweiler: 82.3%
Toy Poodle: 80.9%
Yorkshire Terrier: 80.0%

Now, compare these to the pit bull breeds:
American Pit Bull Terrier: 83.4%
American Staffordshire Terrier: 83.3%
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 93.2%

For this study, the ATTS evaluated more than 25,000 dogs and more than 200 breeds. The average score for all breeds together: 81%. As you can see, when it comes to having a reliably friendly temperament, the pit bull breeds well exceed the average!

You can find these scores and more at www.ATTS.org

/Yes, there are some terrible people that don't know how to train their dogs correctly, and the results can be really bad.
//Pitbulls are incredibly lovey dogs and make a great part of a family.
///Maybe you should do some research before slapping a label on something.
////More slashies for fun!

Sad. Poor fellow.

I've met many nice Rotties at dogs shows. Real sweethearts. Also, I have met a few nice pits as well.

The solution to this is if you're going to get a dog, effing train it and (if appropriate for the breed) socialize it with other dogs, humans, etc.

If you become one of those problem owners with a problem dog (escapes and bites people), then they should take the dog away from you and it should be listed on your driver's license that you can't own a dog.

TSD: before everyone starts bashing pitbulls and spouting numbers, reread those numbers. Lumping any dog that has a specific build or certain features is called profiling and this always skews your numbers. My American Pitbull Terrier only bit 1 person in 12 years. That man was breaking into my house.
Here are your numbers, skewed as they are.



Ok, so according to that, Pit-Bulls are at the top of the list for killing people over the past 30 years. What I would like to see is a study of attacks that takes into account the number of each kind of dog and the percentage of them that kill.

He got deaded.

One more thing I wanted to add, people often try to say pits are dangerous because they were bred for fighting. They were not bred to be guard dogs or to attack people, they were bred to fight other dogs. How are you going to raise a good fighting dog if you can't even get near the thing? Those fighting dogs were bred to not attack their master or the opposing dog's master, only the opposing dog. The strong jaw and high tolerance for pain may assist pits in being capable of doing damage to people, but psychologically they are much more prone to attacking other dogs than other people.

I have noticed that labs are more likely to be aggressive toward people, while pits are more likely to be aggressive toward other dogs.

Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

Yeah, lets euthanize a whole breed of dog meant for guarding and protecting against dangerous humans, because they might have the capability of doing the job they were bred for.

Moran.

hyperspacemonkey: The only 2 reasons to own a pit bull is to defy wisdom (keeping an unsafe animal around for the sake of it being around), and use it a symbol of how other people's comfort will not control you! Screw other people, right? By putting them at risk, you can feel good about yourself and you independence.

There are no other features of a pit bulls that are not found in other dogs. Pit bulls reflect owners who insist on feeling some personal power by making other people uncomfortable. They get pleasure from describing why they chose a dog and why their dog is not violent, even though the dog itself is always implicitly threatening. The owners recognize the threat, and they feel good when they attempt to disarm the threat, "My dog is not dangerous!" which obviously implies that it could be. They love the power they feel, "Some people want to ban these dogs, but not me! I love mine!" When asked why they would want to live with such a threat, it is clear they enjoy feeling like they are liberating themselves in a way that make other people cringe. Pit bull ownership is all about power.

I dislike the idea of dogs bred for fighting living with a person whose self-esteem depends on the discomfort of others. the dog must have an interesting time reading their complicated social interactions.

Yup. . .I feel f*cking FILLED with power by my rescued pit that flinches at sudden movements and isn't even aggressive to squirrels or cats, let alone people.

And let me tell you, when she was attacked by some white trash's loose dog, and just stood there and took it, then collapsed to the ground when its inbred owner finally hauled it off, it made my dick ROCK farkIN' HARD!! The $500 vet bill was like the money shot, baby!

I adopted a poor mistreated old animal and gave her a loving home for life. She is the sweetest dog I've ever known and I'll cry like a little biatch when she passes, which probably isn't that far off. But I do have to carry an 800,000 volt stun baton and pepper spray when I walk her to protect her from the loose dogs of other breeds whose dumbfark owners let them roam free. I guess that makes me the "implicit threat", not her.

I'm torn about the existence of pit bulls.

On the one hand, they are breed to kill and are inherently dangerous. On the other hand, their existence assists me in the identification of the truly stupid and/or douchebags (i.e., their owners).

six_stringphonic: This article made me gag for two reasons:

1.) Who the heck keeps an old man with dementia in a basement with a bed, TV, and three pit bulls? Cruelty and neglect.

2.) Who the heck keeps three pit bulls locks up in the basement all day? And then has six more puppies in the garage? What is the reasoning?

My uncle owned two pit bulls in MA. They are extremely high energy, willful dogs, and they thus require high energy, willful owners. My uncle ruled those dogs with an iron fist. He also exercised them for at least two hours a day.

When you keep a high strung dog like a pit bull in a tiny house, apartment, etc, with no way of releasing that energy...it turns to aggression and grandpa-mauling. They are not city dogs. They are not family dogs. It's like trying to keep a horse in your apartment. The horse needs a lot of room. So does a pit bull.

I hate these people who buy them for "protection" in cities. It's just asking for trouble.

/end rant

You could not be more correct. I have a 3yr old pit, and he *is* a high energy, willful dog. I got him by way of my son, who received him as a gift from a girlfriend. Like most other people, I wanted nothing to do with this "devil dog", I also knew my son did not have the time, money or resources to properly care for any dog, much less this one, as he is in college. As it turns out, I started off with the dog by watching him when the boy was in school, and surprise, I liked what I saw. Eager to please, a clown, and affectionate. I also found out very quickly that he could beome destructive if he was'nt properly socialized and exercised. So, it was off to talk to breeders and owners and trainers. In short, if you don't have time for a small child, you don't have time for a pit bull, because they require as much attention, socializing and training as a child. As he was a pound pit, with no papers, I did the responsible thing and had him neutered, which I think took alot of potential aggresiveness out of him. He gets aproximately 1.5 hrs of exercise daily, all of it chasing his Kong ball, which he is obsessed with.

Pit Bulls are for queers.

Pit Bull owners often have severe personality deficiencies.

Taila82: Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

Although I am sure that you are a troll, I feel very strongly about this subject so here are some statistics:

The American Temperament Test Society, Inc. (ATTS) is a professional organization that objectively tests the temperaments of various dog breeds.

They do this by methodically exposing members of a breed to a series of confrontational situations, then measuring their reaction. The more aggressive the reaction, the lower the score the dog receives. The score is based on the percentage of dogs in a breed that passed the test:

Here are some of the most recent results available. We've included some widely considered "most friendly" (like beagles and poodles) and some labeled "dangerous" (like Rottweilers, German Shepherds, and of course, pit bulls.

Warning: you will be surprised by the results!
ATTS Scores by Breed
Afghan: 72%
Australian Shepard: 79.2%
Beagle: 78.2%
Cairn Terrier: 70.7%
Chihuahua: 70.6%
Cocker Spaniel: 81.5%
German Shepherd: 82.8%
Golden Retriever: 83.6%
Labrador Retriever: 91.1%
Rottweiler: 82.3%
Toy Poodle: 80.9%
Yorkshire Terrier: 80.0%

Now, compare these to the pit bull breeds:
American Pit Bull Terrier: 83.4%
American Staffordshire Terrier: 83.3%
Staffordshire Bull Terrier: 93.2%

For this study, the ATTS evaluated more than 25,000 dogs and more than 200 breeds. The average score for all breeds together: 81%. As you can see, when it comes to having a reliably friendly temperament, the pit bull breeds well exceed the average!

You can find these scores and more at www.ATTS.org

/Yes, there are some terrible people that don't know how to train their dogs correctly, and the results can be really bad.
//Pitbulls are incredibly lovey dogs and make a great part of a family.
///Maybe you should do some research before slapping a label on something.
////More slashies for fun!

The problem is what happens when they lose their temperament. The meanest, nastiest dog our family ever owned was a Jack Russel Terrier. It's bad temperament was an annoyance, not a danger to society.



Dog deaths by breed (new window)

The reason so many people are attacked by pit bulls is because many people use them for fighting/guard dogs/etc due to the fact they are big, strong dogs. Eradicating the breed isn't going to do anything, people will just start training the next biggest and strongest breed to be guard and attack dogs, and then all you'll hear is "WE HAVE TO KILL *BREED* BECAUSE THEY ARE INCLINED TO EAT PEOPLEZ!"

Notice the number of small dogs in the list at the top of the thread? They don't bite people because no one trains them to bite people. If you really want to eliminate dog attacks, then you have to eliminate all breeds that grow over 50 pounds, and that's a whole lot of dogs.

If you're a responsible pet owner and you don't train your dog to attack, there's a good chance it's not going to bite anyone. Pit bulls by nature are one of the sweetest breeds I've ever worked with. It's the chihuahuas that you have to watch out for.

Unspoken.



Sometimes just better.

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"Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening.

According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question."

Dog of peace my arse.

The nastiest dogs out there are Cocker Spaniels and Chihuahuas. No doubt in my mind. I've volunteered at various shelters for the past 7 years. I've gotten far more scratches and bites from those 2 breeds than any others (and small dogs in general more than big dogs).

Pit Bulls tend be very friendly dogs. Neutered Pit Bulls especially I've never had any problem whatsoever with. Yes they're insanely strong and have a lot of energy, but their natural temperment is very friendly.

Something sketchy is going on at this house. 3 full grown Pit Bulls and 6 puppies caged in a basement with a senile old man? Something isn't right there.

Oh yeah, and blame the owners. Blaming the Pitbulls is like racial profiling against dogs. We need to get to the root of the problem and get the dogs away from irresponsible owners (like these folk... I don't care about your living situation, 9 Pitbulls kept in the described conditions is inherently irresponsible).

Southpaw018: Any dog that is more than 50% pit bull or 50% rottweiler should be euthanized. If your pit bull or rottweiler kills someone, you should be held for murder.

/Loves dogs
//Hates dogs with a natural inclination to kill humans

The first part of your statement is stupid, as has been adequately pointed out . The second part should hardly be limited to those two breed. For my part, I would say that if your dog of any breed attacks/kills someone, you should face the exact legal penalty you would if you'd done it yourself. In other words, if your dog mauls a burglar, you'd be in the clear, just like if you shot a burglar (In sane jurisdictions, anyway), but if your dog mauls some random person, then you're up for aggravated assault, or attempted murder, or murder, as appropriate.