1) Subby played a joke and listed this as a "fascist" link on the Pain In The Ass. Good on you, Subby.

2) What McCain was saying, in essence, was "If he hadn't been beating me in the polls, I wouldn't have had to go negative." This statement is based on the (fallacious) belief that more of McCain's lurching, mediocre performances in "townhall" settings would have helped him gain support.

Columnist David Broder is a delusional gasbag.

You're kidding yourself if you think he wouldn't have used those anyway.

Broder should pull his bottom lip over his head and swallow.

I had to beat her, she wouldn't do the dishes. I'm the victim here.

In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy the territory first.

If I needed one more thing to convince me to NOT vote for McCain, it's whining like this. Take some damn responsibility for your own actions. That is what Conservatives are supposed to stand for, and every damn time you try to blame someone else for your own decisions, you only betray that, and show how little you understand what Conservatism is about.

I don't want someone in the office that can't take responsibility for his own actions. Had he held to his principles, he might have kept my vote.

Excuses, excuses. McCain is a piece of history, but he still went purely negative. That was his whole campaign. I guess the people you hang around with really do have an effect on you.

HotWingConspiracy: I had to beat her, she wouldn't do the dishes. I'm the victim here.

You have a point.

If Obama would have just capitulated to McCain's demands, none of the lies and smears would have been necessary.

He had it coming.

This is a good gig for him. After the one town-hall, McCain must be relieved that he didn't have to do anymore. For a venue he's supposed to excel at, he was pretty sub-par. At the same time, he continues to play the victim card - b-b-but he wouldn't do the town-halls! I had to hit him!

HE BURNED THE BEANS!

town-hall meetings waaahhh!

It's true. If Obama would have gone to those town-hall meetings, McCain could have planted supporters in the audience, and they would have called Obama a terrorist, socialist, marxist, ...

HotWingConspiracy: I had to beat her, she wouldn't do the dishes. I'm the victim here.

LOL

Russad: This is a good gig for him. After the one town-hall, McCain must be relieved that he didn't have to do anymore. For a venue he's supposed to excel at, he was pretty sub-par. At the same time, he continues to play the victim card - b-b-but he wouldn't do the town-halls! I had to hit him!

HE BURNED THE BEANS!

Well, he is pretty good at them--the problem is, most town hall style meetings that he goes to, are one candidate affairs. It's not adversarial at all, so saying he "does well" means, "he doesn't embarrass himself by having to contend with a competing message on stage with him."

It's all just the ramblings of an old delusional man:



/and some neo-con douche.

hubiestubert: In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy the territory first.

If I needed one more thing to convince me to NOT vote for McCain, it's whining like this. Take some damn responsibility for your own actions. That is what Conservatives are supposed to stand for, and every damn time you try to blame someone else for your own decisions, you only betray that, and show how little you understand what Conservatism is about.

I don't want someone in the office that can't take responsibility for his own actions. Had he held to his principles, he might have kept my vote.

You know what, it's people like you bringing the Republicans down. Stop acting like the Democrats are anything but Jew haters and fag fellaters. STOP RUINING CONSERVATISM!! We keep trying to build utopia, unite the world under God and guns, and you are ruining Jesus wonderland.

Like I told that girl last week, if you would have worn those sensible tennis shoes like I told you I wouldn't have kicked your dog.

/what?

Who else liked the SNL skit where McCain called Obama "pee-pants?" Cracks me up every time. I'm pretty sure it was the tow hall debate skit, too.

Also, I SAID NO WIRE HANGERS!

Comrade Farkin, the Chairman Obama looks like this:

hubiestubert: In order to take the moral high ground, you have to actually occupy the territory first.

If I needed one more thing to convince me to NOT vote for McCain, it's whining like this. Take some damn responsibility for your own actions. That is what Conservatives are supposed to stand for, and every damn time you try to blame someone else for your own decisions, you only betray that, and show how little you understand what Conservatism is about.

I don't want someone in the office that can't take responsibility for his own actions. Had he held to his principles, he might have kept my vote.

Conservatives, consistently, blame everyone else for their own actions. They think personal responsibility is for someone else. Not for themselves. It is true at every level of conservatism. From the grassroots on up to the top. If you meet a conservative, chances are he's blaming someone else for his own failures, or taking credit for something someone else did. It's just a fact.

As a Democrat, can I be the first to commend McCain on the campaign he HAS run?

And top marks have to go to Samuel-Joe 'The Plumber' too, for his stand against no-talent entertainers that are famous only for being famous, and for telling us what we should think and how we should vote. He certainly showed them entertainment elites a thing or two when he hired a Nashville publicity team to handle the flood of interview and appearance requests, and I hear he's planning on using his Country & Western-sounding name 'Wurzelbacher' to get an album contract. People will be able to pay small amounts, spreading their wealth and making their money belong to him, so that he can become a millionaire. And in five years time, people won't be able to sell his CD on SecondSpin.com for love or (more importantly) money.

Way to go, Samuel-Joe. You're really sticking it to The Man and showing us how to live the daily life of Real Americans everywhere.

the whole campaign he tried to tell Obama what to do. You need to go to Iraq you haven't seen it since the Surge™. Once he did and included meeting world leaders and having a rally in Europe ,McCain tried to paint him as a celebrity. Yeah John "I'm on tv all the time" McCain. The he wanted him to be tied up doing all those debates under his preconditions. Obama only agreed to meet with them to discuss them. not unconditionally promise to have them.
Of course when their people met McCain's people forced the talks to fail by wanting everything their way. They intentionally scuttle them then attack Obama for "going back on his word". Totally Rovian concept. They never really wanted those debates.
This was a tactic. One of the hundreds of tactics in the overall strategy of trying to box Obama in and then criticize him either direction he went in.
Several of McCain's choices in this campaign exposed his poor skill in judgment. His "we can't talk to leaders of countries we don't like" "it's appeasement" was just one example of how out of touch he is with where the country is at. He has no good ideas and has fallen back on total character assassination.
Sad really. He sold his soul a long time ago I suppose.
His ambition took over. He lost his moral compass. He's changed his positions so much. He's like a ship without a rudder subject to any push in any direction.

This is less about John McCain and more about how intellectually bankrupt Broder is and always has been.

/Palin '12
//I dare you

globalwarmingpraiser: HotWingConspiracy: I had to beat her, she wouldn't do the dishes. I'm the victim here.

You have a point.



/you made me hit you, so it's your fault.

winterwhile: Comrade Farkin, the Chairman Obama looks like this:

If you want to make a compelling case with a poster/placard/sign, you might want to check out the grammar on said poster/placard/sign, first. Otherwise, you're just a douche.

Skail: If you want to make a compelling case with a poster/placard/sign, you might want to check out the grammar on said poster/placard/sign, first. Otherwise, you're just a douche.

elitist

Nice troll, winterwhile. I especially like the poor grammar and spelling...really captures the moranic subtleties.

Comrade Skail, Chairman Obama would not like it to be known about his past, please burry all stories about the Chairman Obama'd Pastor, and even his neighbors.

We have the MSM is the tank, now we just need to control the Internet, and ideas on how? Chinese style mabe?

Hobodeluxe: the whole campaign he tried to tell Obama what to do. You need to go to Iraq you haven't seen it since the Surge™. Once he did and included meeting world leaders and having a rally in Europe ,McCain tried to paint him as a celebrity. Yeah John "I'm on tv all the time" McCain. The he wanted him to be tied up doing all those debates under his preconditions. Obama only agreed to meet with them to discuss them. not unconditionally promise to have them.
Of course when their people met McCain's people forced the talks to fail by wanting everything their way. They intentionally scuttle them then attack Obama for "going back on his word". Totally Rovian concept. They never really wanted those debates.
This was a tactic. One of the hundreds of tactics in the overall strategy of trying to box Obama in and then criticize him either direction he went in.
Several of McCain's choices in this campaign exposed his poor skill in judgment. His "we can't talk to leaders of countries we don't like" "it's appeasement" was just one example of how out of touch he is with where the country is at. He has no good ideas and has fallen back on total character assassination.
Sad really. He sold his soul a long time ago I suppose.
His ambition took over. He lost his moral compass. He's changed his positions so much. He's like a ship without a rudder subject to any push in any direction.

Remember how they were going to criticize Obama is he HAD met with troops in Germany?



/Next time you see a Republican and they try to debate you, ask them what McCain's Resurgence Plan is all about.

//It's on his website in the Informing section.

///It's named the Resurgence Plan six times on the relevant page.

///McCain and Palin, and their cohorts, have YET TO MENTION IT ONCE in any of their major speeches. They didn't make it a part of their campaign script. Yet it's one of the hottest issues in this election.

////If you're thinking of voting McCain and YOU never heard of it, ask yourself: just how well do YOU know John McCain???

Skail: winterwhile: Comrade Farkin, the Chairman Obama looks like this:

If you want to make a compelling case with a poster/placard/sign, you might want to check out the grammar on said poster/placard/sign, first. Otherwise, you're just a douche.

...but Heaven FORFEND if you call them idiots, or they get all sandy.

You know where.

I guess McCain doesn't think that he came off quite as confused and angry as he could have if he'd just done more debates with Obama.

Comrade Jackpot777 please Chairman Obama would like you to suppress the internet, as we have the MSM in the tank. Can we do it Chinese style? Change is comming?

1) Broder's charge is false on its very premise. Sen. Obama asked McCain in kind for a series of Lincoln-Douglas debates (new window) (which are different than Townhall-style) across the country, and McCain refused. Where is the outrage there?

2) The public clearly thought Obama won all the televised debates, including a townhall format. Why does McCain think getting beat 10 more times would have helped him?

winterwhile: Chinese style mabe?

The same Chinese the GOP consistently advocated favored nation status for so that all your jobs could go there?

Which President went to China again?

captain_heroic44: Conservatives, consistently, blame everyone else for their own actions. They think personal responsibility is for someone else. Not for themselves. It is true at every level of conservatism. From the grassroots on up to the top. If you meet a conservative, chances are he's blaming someone else for his own failures, or taking credit for something someone else did. It's just a fact.

I am going to respectfully disagree here.

While there IS indeed a thread of this within the NeoConservative camp, and with the Rah Rah Boyz who like to think of politics as being a team sport that they can "win", there are certainly Conservatives who take responsibility. Demand it of themselves before others even.

The former though, have taken the GOP into very bad places. In part, because we've allowed radicals within the party, and to dictate a large part of the agenda. Which, Goldwater warned us about when we accepted the Religious Right under the tent, and courted their dollars.

But that isn't the whole of the party by any means, and some of us are trying like heck to get the party back in line. And it's not easy--maybe even in vain at this point, but we have to try, because the alternative is far worse than doing nothing.

Somacandra: 1) Broder's charge is false on its very premise. Sen. Obama asked McCain in kind for a series of Lincoln-Douglas debates (new window) (which are different than Townhall-style) across the country, and McCain refused. Where is the outrage there?

2) The public clearly thought Obama won all the televised debates, including a townhall format. Why does McCain think getting beat 10 more times would have helped him?

He doesn't. But, it's a meme that is repeated because he has to portray Obama as "afraid" of him. It's a face saving mechanism to shed blame for his own campaign's actions.

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs,
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance,
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glittering in the blue.

Make no mistake, the smear campaign worked.

Obama would be looking at 400+ EVs right now if not for the constant stream of Wright, Ayers, and Khalidi attacks.

Jackpot777: Skail: winterwhile: Comrade Farkin, the Chairman Obama looks like this:


That's technically a sandy vulva.

Just sayin'

the opposite of charity is justice: Khalidi

who?

winterwhile: Comrade Jackpot777 please Chairman Obama would like you to suppress the internet, as we have the MSM in the tank. Can we do it Chinese style? Change is comming?

Just because you act like a total coont when you're in power, doesn't mean the other side is automatically go as far or even further than you did just to spite your bitter ass.

Stop trolling, you farking baby.

Comrade Bloody William, but Chairman Obama and Comrade Pilosi have plans for the Fairness act again. Its time we look down talk radio, as we can't compete there anyway.

This will happen.

winterwhile: Comrade Bloody William, but Chairman Obama and Comrade Pilosi have plans for the Fairness act again. Its time we look down talk radio, as we can't compete there anyway.

This will happen.

And Saddam has WMD. He just drove them to Syria before the invasion.

Oh, and tax cuts for the rich will lead to an awesome growing economy.

ZeroCorpse: Jackpot777: Skail: winterwhile: Comrade Farkin, the Chairman Obama looks like this:


That's technically a sandy vulva.

Just sayin'

Technically, yes, the vagina is just the canal. I could have posted someone making a sand sculpture of the inside parts, but I don't think anyone would identify it as anything other than a sandy tunnel.



"OK, so what's this. Stone tonsils?"

You see where the problem arises.

orrinbloquy: the opposite of charity is justice: Khalidi

who?

Rashid Khalidi, admittedly a relatively recent addition to the smears compared to Wright and Ayers but one the McCain camp has been desparately trying to sell the past couple of weeks. He never got the foothold the other two did as McCain's own ties to the guy are stronger, and Khalidi ties back in with Ayers so it ends up putting the domestic terrorist Guilt By Association tag upon McCain. Stupid, stupid idea for his campaign to pull this stunt, almost assuredly a sign of sheer desparation in the final days of trying to get anything to stick to Teflon Obama.

170k hits on Google, and a humorous youtube video of Coulter being shot down on this topic. When she gets caught in a lie she falls into the same speech patterns (a la "Canadians sent troops to Vietnam")

the opposite of charity is justice: orrinbloquy: the opposite of charity is justice: Khalidi

who?

Rashid Khalidi, admittedly a relatively recent addition to the smears compared to Wright and Ayers but one the McCain camp has been desparately trying to sell the past couple of weeks. He never got the foothold the other two did as McCain's own ties to the guy are stronger, and Khalidi ties back in with Ayers so it ends up putting the domestic terrorist Guilt By Association tag upon McCain. Stupid, stupid idea for his campaign to pull this stunt, almost assuredly a sign of sheer desparation in the final days of trying to get anything to stick to Teflon Obama.

170k hits on Google, and a humorous youtube video of Coulter being shot down on this topic. When she gets caught in a lie she falls into the same speech patterns (a la "Canadians sent troops to Vietnam")

Oh, so it was DISTANT money. That stuff is spent differently!

hubiestubert: captain_heroic44: Conservatives, consistently, blame everyone else for their own actions. They think personal responsibility is for someone else. Not for themselves. It is true at every level of conservatism. From the grassroots on up to the top. If you meet a conservative, chances are he's blaming someone else for his own failures, or taking credit for something someone else did. It's just a fact.

I am going to respectfully disagree here.

While there IS indeed a thread of this within the NeoConservative camp, and with the Rah Rah Boyz who like to think of politics as being a team sport that they can "win", there are certainly Conservatives who take responsibility. Demand it of themselves before others even.

The former though, have taken the GOP into very bad places. In part, because we've allowed radicals within the party, and to dictate a large part of the agenda. Which, Goldwater warned us about when we accepted the Religious Right under the tent, and courted their dollars.

But that isn't the whole of the party by any means, and some of us are trying like heck to get the party back in line. And it's not easy--maybe even in vain at this point, but we have to try, because the alternative is far worse than doing nothing.

Everywhere I turn, in the workplace, in social life, on the news, I see conservatives placing blame and stealing credit. All levels. The Republican Party appears to be rotted through, top to bottom, with sociopaths.

1) McCain blames Obama for McCain's choice to go negative.

2) Last year, I kid you not, Karl Rove went on record blaming Democrats for the Iraq War. I'm not kidding. He actually did this.

3) Ashley Todd cooks up a race-bating story about a black man branding her with a "B;" then blames the media for the national notoriety that ensued.

Then there are the stories from my personal life:

1) The evangelical girlfriend who cheated on me, got pregnant, and blamed me for not being serious enough about our relationship.

2) The war veteran uncle who blames the media for public opinion turning against the Vietnam War, even though it was the US who was committing numerous well-documented atrocities against civilians there.

3) The right-wing coworker who steals credit for all my ideas in the workplace.

The conclusion is clear: conservatives are people who do not take personal responsibility for their actions. Nothing that goes bad is ever their fault. They are always to be rewarded when something goes right.

If you find a conservative who actually takes personal responsibility for anything, I'd like to meet him. Really, I would. But I don't think they actually exist.

Jackpot777: ZeroCorpse: Jackpot777: Skail: winterwhile: Comrade Farkin, the Chairman Obama looks like this:


That's technically a sandy vulva.

Just sayin'

Technically, yes, the vagina is just the canal. I could have posted someone making a sand sculpture of the inside parts, but I don't think anyone would identify it as anything other than a sandy tunnel.



"OK, so what's this. Stone tonsils?"

You see where the problem arises.

See, posts like this are why I show up here on Sunday mornings.
Thank you.

captain_heroic44: If you find a conservative who actually takes personal responsibility for anything, I'd like to meet him. Really, I would. But I don't think they actually exist.

If you're in Phoenix, drop me a note, and we can have a beer. Or you can take a look at Senator Olympia Snowe, or Senator Collins from Maine.

I will fully admit that the party has asshats. But, I've been long a proponent for calling asshats out as being exactly thus, as opposed to lumping folks as a group. Be they Buddhists, be they Democrats, be they Christians, be they Republicans, be they black, white, brown, Nihonjin, Spanish, Rotarians, or Masons.

And to be honest, I've been running on at the mouth, about said responsibility for a while. Including everyone having to own up to the sad fact, that we have the government we deserve.

As a nation, we've abdicated responsibility for looking after our leadership. Democrat and Republicans both. We've allowed Civics education to fall aside, and are surprised when folks have no idea how the system works? We take money from classrooms and pile it into sports programs on the vain hope that a tiny percentage of folks will become professional athletes--as opposed to the 20% of art students who manage to make at least a partial living from their craft--and we're surprised at the quality of the education that we get?

The WHOLE of our society has moved away from taking responsibility and casting blame. It's not a Republican trait. Take a look at ANY school board meeting, complete with parents. Take a look at ANY city council or town meeting, and you'll see the same.

Americans have stopped taking responsibility, and that isn't a trait that is the purview of Republicans alone, or Conservatives for that matter. It is systemic for the nation, as we move from a responsibility based culture to shame based. Anything and everything is tried to get away from the fact that WE'VE pooped in our own dog dish.

Education. Environment. Foreign policy. Crime. We have only to look at our own voting records, and our own inattention that allows things to be done in our name to understand how things have gotten to this point.

And it's not a one party vs another party dealio. Democrats have corruption. Republicans have corruption. Heck, Libertarians have it too. And it exists when we as a citizenry take our eyes off the till, and simply expect our elected officials and appointed bureaucrats to do their jobs without oversight.

WE are the oversight, and every time you want to level blame, that is part of the problem.

Responsibility has to be accepted. It cannot be assigned. Blame, that can be assigned, and it can be ducked, but responsibility is something that WE have to accept, and it will only change in our public figures when we take some of that responsibility ourselves.

WE have allowed things to get farked up. We put people into office, and we didn't watch them too close, and when things got farked up, we didn't demand action.

WE are to blame. Not one party, or another, but all of us. And when folks want to point fingers at only one group, or another, as opposed to manning up and saying, "Damn, maybe we should keep our eyes on the ball and DO something," I find it disengenous, at best.

captain_heroic44: hubiestubert: captain_heroic44: Conservatives, consistently, blame everyone else for their own actions. They think personal responsibility is for someone else. Not for themselves. It is true at every level of conservatism. From the grassroots on up to the top. If you meet a conservative, chances are he's blaming someone else for his own failures, or taking credit for something someone else did. It's just a fact.

I am going to respectfully disagree here.

While there IS indeed a thread of this within the NeoConservative camp, and with the Rah Rah Boyz who like to think of politics as being a team sport that they can "win", there are certainly Conservatives who take responsibility. Demand it of themselves before others even.

The former though, have taken the GOP into very bad places. In part, because we've allowed radicals within the party, and to dictate a large part of the agenda. Which, Goldwater warned us about when we accepted the Religious Right under the tent, and courted their dollars.

But that isn't the whole of the party by any means, and some of us are trying like heck to get the party back in line. And it's not easy--maybe even in vain at this point, but we have to try, because the alternative is far worse than doing nothing.

Everywhere I turn, in the workplace, in social life, on the news, I see conservatives placing blame and stealing credit. All levels. The Republican Party appears to be rotted through, top to bottom, with sociopaths.

1) McCain blames Obama for McCain's choice to go negative.

2) Last year, I kid you not, Karl Rove went on record blaming Democrats for the Iraq War. I'm not kidding. He actually did this.

3) Ashley Todd cooks up a race-bating story about a black man branding her with a "B;" then blames the media for the national notoriety that ensued.

Then there are the stories from my personal life:

1) The evangelical girlfriend who cheated on me, got pregnant, and blamed me for not being serious enough about our relationship.

2) The war veteran uncle who blames the media for public opinion turning against the Vietnam War, even though it was the US who was committing numerous well-documented atrocities against civilians there.

3) The right-wing coworker who steals credit for all my ideas in the workplace.

The conclusion is clear: conservatives are people who do not take personal responsibility for their actions. Nothing that goes bad is ever their fault. They are always to be rewarded when something goes right.

If you find a conservative who actually takes personal responsibility for anything, I'd like to meet him. Really, I would. But I don't think they actually exist.

Weaver95's a pretty good guy. Try talking to him when you see him.