that's because they aren't under the influence of the right wing media's filter. no Fox News and the rest there.

Maybe I have a different definition than most people, but if you still have a US passport and/or citizenship aren't you technically not an ex-pat?

Oh golly, gee willikers. They left out the part where she polls better than Joe Biden. Joe freaking Biden. And if he's gone, it goes to Pelosi. Sad times. The only good news is the Supreme Court Justices will just wait these shiheads out. They can.

I've been wishing I had the energy to hack a McCain/Palin yard sign to say McPain/Failin.

Smellvin: Maybe I have a different definition than most people, but if you still have a US passport and/or citizenship aren't you technically not an ex-pat?

No. An Expatriate is just someone living somewhere other than the country they grew up in. This includes temporary and permanent relocations.

Smellvin: Maybe I have a different definition than most people, but if you still have a US passport and/or citizenship aren't you technically not an ex-pat?

An expatriate is a citizen whose actual residency is not in the country, so no.

If your company sent you to work in their Germany office for a few years you'd be an expatriate. You'd still be allowed to vote, have to pay taxes, etc.

Maybe you're thinking someone who renounced their citizenship? I dunno, like "ex-patriot"?

Hobodeluxe: that's because they aren't under the influence of the right wing media's filter. no Fox News and the rest there.

Fox News is broadcast outside of the USA.

from the article:

"I had a very high regard for John McCain based on my knowledge of his record as senator. He was an honorable man, a war hero, but after he picked Palin, I felt he had betrayed his country," he said.

A lot of real independents feel this way.
More damningly independent thinking republicans who put country over party also feel this way, sometimes openly.


Fark independents and Palin 2012 screamers don't want to face it, they'll whine about liberal media and cry an ocean of other excuses but if nothing miraculous happens and the postmortems start on the McCain campaign serious republicans are going to admit, at least to each other, that Palin was a huge mistake.

Palin 2012 makes no sense because the ignorant fundy rapture voters and single issue abortion voters aren't going anywhere, anyway.

If Obama had chosen some current day incarnation of Andrea Dorkin he would have been quite rightly repudiated and while her strident followers might have become louder they wouldn't be new votes and that failure of judgment would have condemned him among rational people , even those who strongly support abortion choice.

The crazy ideologues will, being predictably self-delusional, scream that that McCain should have been more like Palin but they will be wrong.


Reasonable people want both parties to run competent candidates who don't divide Americans into good and evil regions but serve all with open minded fairness.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Smellvin: Maybe I have a different definition than most people, but if you still have a US passport and/or citizenship aren't you technically not an ex-pat?

An expatriate is a citizen whose actual residency is not in the country, so no.

If your company sent you to work in their Germany office for a few years you'd be an expatriate. You'd still be allowed to vote, have to pay taxes, etc.

Maybe you're thinking someone who renounced their citizenship? I dunno, like "ex-patriot"?

The funny thing about that is that the US doesn't recognize people who renounce their citizenship. If someone does so, the US government will not treat them any differently. I think it's a throwback to the cold war so they had the option to charge expats with treason instead of sedition or what have you.

Joliet_Jake: The funny thing about that is that the US doesn't recognize people who renounce their citizenship. If someone does so, the US government will not treat them any differently. I think it's a throwback to the cold war so they had the option to charge expats with treason instead of sedition or what have you.

The US is also the only country in the world that expects non-residents to pay taxes.

Smellvin -- no representation without taxation.

I'm a Republican living abroad who voted for Obama, so I'm getting a kick.

Seriously, while I disagree with McCain on issues that would have kept me from voting for him anyway, I wouldn't have minded a McCain presidency, and at the very least, it wouldn't have been embarrassing. Palin on the other hand? She's utterly unprepared and incompetent.

For one of my fellow expat coworkers, Palin was the tipping point that pushed him from undecided over into the Obama column. She's just that bad, and we can't really imagine her directing American foreign policy in a remotely competent way.

thalidomide new and improved: ou guys are running against Palin already? holy shiat, don't we get a break at ALL from an election race?

cool, her being on the ticket must have all just been a bad dream! I knew McCain wouldnt pick such a retard in real life, but my dream just seemed so life like...

//Another expat for Obama

//Not much to add since Smellvin has already been corrected, so went straight for the slashies

It's obvious that ex-pats hate America anyway, otherwise they'd be living in America.


...God, I'll be glad when you 'Merrikans finally have your election, time to focus on something else...

shpritz: Fox News is broadcast outside of the USA.

That is embarrassing.
But, maybe there is a chance the rest of the world will have a chance of understanding why the garden variety American is set to 'Full Retard'.

I call shenanigans...I'm an expat and can't honestly believe they found so many people who would admit they voted for Dubya.

Softens_hands_while_you_do_the_dishes: Oh golly, gee willikers. They left out the part where she polls better than Joe Biden. Joe freaking Biden.

Yeah, how's that working out in the electoral college for you?

BearToy: That is embarrassing.
But, maybe there is a chance the rest of the world will have a chance of understanding why the garden variety American is set to 'Full Retard'.

See : Obama rally.

Hobodeluxe: that's because they aren't under the influence of the right wing media's filter. no Fox News and the rest there.

HA! (Even Hillary and media research calls Fox News the most even handed this election cycle).

Give it a rest....you FOX NEWS!!!!! OMG!!! accusers are about as entertaining as the Bush 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

You're about to get the disaster you've asked for, so sit back and enjoy the ride.

PirateFreedom: single issue abortion voters aren't going anywhere, anyway

No, we're not. We are just becoming multi-issue abortion voters. I am pro-life and voting Obama. It's time for pro-lifers to wake up and realize they are being played for fools and broaden their position to include capital punishment and war. The refusal of the GOP to do anything to fix poverty, the way they have ruined education, even the fact that under their governance the divorce rate rises are all contributing factors that raise the actual number of abortions that occur every year. Along with increasing the number of man-made deaths carried out in and by the USA by waging war, opposing reasonable gun regulation and supporting the prolific use of the death penalty.

The pro-life movement is at its heart a civil rights movement that seeks to respect the dignity of human life. If you examine liberal policy and its effect on areas under liberal control, you can only conclude that liberalism is key to promoting the sanctity and dignity of the living person.

3_Butt_Cheeks: You're about to get the disaster you've asked for, so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Sour grapes are sour.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Penis.

So... under which bridge do you live ? Under the 'To Nowhere' one perhaps ?

Smellvin: Maybe I have a different definition than most people, but if you still have a US passport and/or citizenship aren't you technically not an ex-pat?

Expatriate literally means something like "a person out of their own country". On this "literal" definition, someone who has given up their US citizenship, moved to a new country and got citizenship there is actually not an expatriate at all, since they live in their own [new] country. Of course, the word's meaning has changed somewhat, so that for example people of British origin who live in HK as full citizens are standardly referred to as "expats".

PC LOAD LETTER: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You're about to get the disaster you've asked for, so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Sour grapes are sour.

For 50,000 years, ever he invented fire, the wheel and very recently the microprocessor, mankind has been striving endlessly to make himself 100 percent redundant.

^^^ Oops, I should have added that on that "old" definition, you would actually have to retain your US passport and citizenship to be considered a US expat.

belgianguy: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Penis.

So... under which bridge do you live ? Under the 'To Nowhere' one perhaps ?

The one Obama's Auntie lives under.....

Why do you guys respond to him? He's most assuredly one of the stupidest people to ever post on Fark.

PirateFreedom: Palin 2012 makes no sense because the ignorant fundy rapture voters and single issue abortion voters aren't going anywhere, anyway.

Not true.. I wouldn't be surprised if, by 2016, they haven't splintered off into their own little "Christian Nationalist" party or something.

3_Butt_Cheeks: PC LOAD LETTER: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You're about to get the disaster you've asked for, so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Sour grapes are sour.

For 50,000 years, ever he invented fire, the wheel and very recently the microprocessor, mankind has been striving endlessly to make himself 100 percent redundant.

In the spirit of playing along with your mental retardation, could you explain how man invented fire?

One Ford engineer and mother of two, who asked not to be identified, did vote for McCain out of loyalty to the Republican Party, but also voiced serious doubts about Palin. She is taking strange comfort in the fact that her absentee vote won't count in her home state.

"Michigan is a clear blue state. Obama will win there anyway," she said with a sigh of relief.

Talk about a vote of no confidence.

PirateFreedom: Fark independents and Palin 2012 screamers don't want to face it, they'll whine about liberal media and cry an ocean of other excuses but if nothing miraculous happens and the postmortems start on the McCain campaign serious republicans are going to admit, at least to each other, that Palin was a huge mistake.

I just wonder how many Republicans you talk to, because they feel, for the most part, that she was a good pick. I've seen articles like this, and just like those "life-long Republicans voting for Obama", they are being cherry-picked. Conservative Republicans generally feel more comfortable with Sarah Palin as Vice President than John McCain as president, and are getting on board with hopes that she will make an even bigger impact in 2012.

Though, it does say something that so many people miss the irony, saying she does not have enough experience, but Barack Obama does. Considering that he has two years in the US Senate and 7 years in the Illinois Senate, but she has two years as Alaska's governor, six years as Wasilla mayor, and another four years on Wasilla's City Council, all elected positions, it seems to me that she is more experienced in politics, and it is executive to boot.

stiletto_the_wise: PirateFreedom: Palin 2012 makes no sense because the ignorant fundy rapture voters and single issue abortion voters aren't going anywhere, anyway.

Not true.. I wouldn't be surprised if, by 2016, they haven't splintered off into their own little "Christian Nationalist" party or something.

This would probably be the best thing to ever happen to the Republican Party.

mccallcl: PirateFreedom: single issue abortion voters aren't going anywhere, anyway

No, we're not. We are just becoming multi-issue abortion voters. I am pro-life and voting Obama. It's time for pro-lifers to wake up and realize they are being played for fools and broaden their position to include capital punishment and war. The refusal of the GOP to do anything to fix poverty, the way they have ruined education, even the fact that under their governance the divorce rate rises are all contributing factors that raise the actual number of abortions that occur every year. Along with increasing the number of man-made deaths carried out in and by the USA by waging war, opposing reasonable gun regulation and supporting the prolific use of the death penalty.

The pro-life movement is at its heart a civil rights movement that seeks to respect the dignity of human life. If you examine liberal policy and its effect on areas under liberal control, you can only conclude that liberalism is key to promoting the sanctity and dignity of the living person.

We all respect the sanctity of life.
It is insulting, ridiculous and unproductive to claim otherwise.

I suspect the difference between me and you is you believe a fertilized egg immediately has a 'soul' and is a 'person'.

I think to have a soul you need a mind plus God to observe it, Gods memory being the eternal part whereas human life is fleeting.
I also believe a mind requires a functioning brain to create it.

To me you are insisting other people follow an irrational and unproveable belief: that there is an undetectable entity that exists before there is a brain or mind.

The fact that the vast majority of fertalized eggs fail to develop fully is one of the reasons I find your mystism untenable.

I consider science to be about the (poorly understood even today) word and will of God and popular religions to be expressions of human fear and fantasy.
To pick one or any of the current crop of belief systems has no support from God unlike something like evolution, the understanding of which brings us many miracles that feed the hungry and help the afflicted.

To assume the unproveable belief system you follow because you were born into it gives you a right and duty to interfere in other peoples private lives is arrogant, self righteous folly.

06Wahoo: Considering that he has two years in the US Senate and 7 years in the Illinois Senate, but she has two years as Alaska's governor, six years as Wasilla mayor, and another four years on Wasilla's City Council, all elected positions, it seems to me that she is more experienced in politics, and it is executive to boot.

Listen to this...

Wasilla town meeting (new window)

That is executive experience I can do without.

stuffaloosa: 3_Butt_Cheeks: PC LOAD LETTER: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You're about to get the disaster you've asked for, so sit back and enjoy the ride.

Sour grapes are sour.

For 50,000 years, ever he invented fire, the wheel and very recently the microprocessor, mankind has been striving endlessly to make himself 100 percent redundant.

In the spirit of playing along with your mental retardation, could you explain how man invented fire?

Boy, you really just don't get it. Shocked. SHOCKED!
It's CLEAR that quote is straight from me, and is meant to be taken literally.

You bring "Epic Fail" and "Facepalm" true joy.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Penis.

Sigh, let me start by quoting a fellow farker: "The more mud you sling, the more ground you lose."

If at all possible, name a positive reason to vote for McCain/Palin, what's good about their campaign.

But I'm afraid you'll just sink back to the level of mud-slinging, smear-spreading, and parrotting talking points like the other braindead heap of GOP supporters/zombies...

But I'm color-marking you just to see you spazz out ballistically on Nov 4th, and to watch your mental health deteriorate even further...

By the way, this is FARK, noone here will even reconsider whom to vote for, despite of all the vapid attempts of yourself and other idiots.

Go join Little Green Freepers or something, and take Phil Herup and Softens_hands_while_i_troll_fark with you.

06Wahoo: PirateFreedom: Fark independents and Palin 2012 screamers don't want to face it, they'll whine about liberal media and cry an ocean of other excuses but if nothing miraculous happens and the postmortems start on the McCain campaign serious republicans are going to admit, at least to each other, that Palin was a huge mistake.

I just wonder how many Republicans you talk to, because they feel, for the most part, that she was a good pick. I've seen articles like this, and just like those "life-long Republicans voting for Obama", they are being cherry-picked. Conservative Republicans generally feel more comfortable with Sarah Palin as Vice President than John McCain as president, and are getting on board with hopes that she will make an even bigger impact in 2012.

Though, it does say something that so many people miss the irony, saying she does not have enough experience, but Barack Obama does. Considering that he has two years in the US Senate and 7 years in the Illinois Senate, but she has two years as Alaska's governor, six years as Wasilla mayor, and another four years on Wasilla's City Council, all elected positions, it seems to me that she is more experienced in politics, and it is executive to boot.

And yet.. hes kicking butt and running one of the best campaigns in history.

As an expat I didn't vote against the republicans, I just voted for Obama. I will say that most of the american expats I talk to, don't think the republicans have any business continuing the foreign policy of the current administration. Foreign policy change is MUCH needed. Ask an expat how many times a foreigner has asked them "what's wrong with Mr. Bush"?

I've been asked that many, many times. All you can do is shrug your shoulders and say you're sorry.

Melt down, it's too bad he's a moran.

mccallcl: I'm really impressed. You don't see many pro-lifers who extend that "right to life" to people who are already here.

/ not sarcastic
// pro-choice
/// to each his own!

3_Butt_Cheeks: Boy, you really just don't get it. Shocked. SHOCKED!
It's CLEAR that quote is straight from me, and is meant to be taken literally.

You bring "Epic Fail" and "Facepalm" true joy.

I see the insanity is right on schedule. By Wednesday you'll be in the asylum.

06Wahoo: PirateFreedom: Fark independents and Palin 2012 screamers don't want to face it, they'll whine about liberal media and cry an ocean of other excuses but if nothing miraculous happens and the postmortems start on the McCain campaign serious republicans are going to admit, at least to each other, that Palin was a huge mistake.

I just wonder how many Republicans you talk to, because they feel, for the most part, that she was a good pick. I've seen articles like this, and just like those "life-long Republicans voting for Obama", they are being cherry-picked. Conservative Republicans generally feel more comfortable with Sarah Palin as Vice President than John McCain as president, and are getting on board with hopes that she will make an even bigger impact in 2012.

Though, it does say something that so many people miss the irony, saying she does not have enough experience, but Barack Obama does. Considering that he has two years in the US Senate and 7 years in the Illinois Senate, but she has two years as Alaska's governor, six years as Wasilla mayor, and another four years on Wasilla's City Council, all elected positions, it seems to me that she is more experienced in politics, and it is executive to boot.

I've seen her interviewed, I've read transcripts of her answers to various questions in her own unabridged words, I am aware of her white elephant hockey rinks and bridge to nowhere flip flops, I know what the investigation of her abuse of power said and her response to it.

There are many good potential candidates on the republican side, she is not one of them and wishful thinking won't change that.

stuffaloosa: [On the Christians Fundamentalist splintering off]This would probably be the best thing to ever happen to the Republican Party.


It would be great to rid the GOP of the mouth breathing fundies. They have ruined it.

With them gone so many BS issues would be over with.

06Wahoo: Though, it does say something that so many people miss the irony, saying she does not have enough experience, but Barack Obama does.

Here's one thing a lot of people miss. He is educated in Constitutional Law. She...has a sports journalism degree.

It's the combination of his education AND experience that makes him better.

belgianguy: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Penis.

Sigh, let me start by quoting a fellow farker: "The more mud you sling, the more ground you lose."

If at all possible, name a positive reason to vote for McCain/Palin, what's good about their campaign.

But I'm afraid you'll just sink back to the level of mud-slinging, smear-spreading, and parrotting talking points like the other braindead heap of GOP supporters/zombies...

But I'm color-marking you just to see you spazz out ballistically on Nov 4th, and to watch your mental health deteriorate even further...

By the way, this is FARK, noone here will even reconsider whom to vote for, despite of all the vapid attempts of yourself and other idiots.

Go join Little Green Freepers or something, and take Phil Herup and Softens_hands_while_i_troll_fark with you.

You're cute.

Phil Herup: stuffaloosa: [On the Christians Fundamentalist splintering off]This would probably be the best thing to ever happen to the Republican Party.


It would be great to rid the GOP of the mouth breathing fundies. They have ruined it.

With them gone so many BS issues would be over with.

Don't blame it on the fundies you coward.

McCain in my ass and Palin in comparison.

cameroncrazy1984: It's the combination of his education AND experience that makes him better.


Whut experience?

He is educated, and he's clean and well spoken too. Well let's make him POTUS

CynicalLA: you coward.


Wow, I just got a coward by a retard.

/here have some crayons