Good ideas. Good prisoner rehab-productivity programs. Lots of WIN in the whole article, despite the close-to-the-earth subject matter.

I prefer jam

I prefer syrup.

I prefer solitary.

Gee, another prurient reference to prison rape. That is so funny, so original!

signaljammer: Gee, another prurient reference to prison rape. That is so funny, so original!

Yet it drew you like a moth to a flame.

Pribar: I prefer solitary.

You can lick our own ass? What are you, a dog?.

Pribar: signaljammer: Gee, another prurient reference to prison rape. That is so funny, so original!

Yet it drew you like a moth to a flame.

But more like one of those electric bug zappers...

Prisoner = Soylent green.

/Cheap food.

Prisons increasingly growing own food in an attempt to give the guards an increase in their celery.

feed them Ho-Ho's, Ring-Dings, every fattening heart-stopping gooshie treat crap thing made in America. much as they want, round the clock.

/and throw away the weights and work-out equipment
//encourage heavy tobacco use, too

Why have salad when you can take the whole sausage?

I feel that this will encourage more good behavior pleas.

/im concerned....

They're trying to build a prison


/For you and me

SMELLS LIKE A LABOR CAMP

Samsaran: Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor.



/yawn

KrispyKritter: feed them Ho-Ho's, Ring-Dings, every fattening heart-stopping gooshie treat crap thing made in America. much as they want, round the clock.

/and throw away the weights and work-out equipment
//encourage heavy tobacco use, too

So we should treat prisoners like most parents treat their kids nowadays?

/minus the tobacco use
//usually

Nice Subbby


But you know....

They might have some more inmates getting their Tossed Salad if they just added a few more radishes to the bunch and wash down all that lettuce a little bit more (damn fertilizer gets everywhere).



/Hey dont look at me, Subby started it.

Most of them are in there for being good at growing crops anyway.

/wrote a paper on this years ago

jayday: Ehhh.....yes and no.
What your talking about was farming that was connected to and part of the chain-gangs of the south. The treatment that took place while these individuals were farming as part of the chain-gang, now thats what was deemed "cruel and unusual." For anyone that doesnt know what the old southern chain gangs are about or why they were considered cruel and unusual.....Just go watch/rent Cool Hand Luke. Not only will you have an excuse to watch one of the best movies of all time, but you'll get a pretty clear and accurate (actually likely tame) view of what the Southern chain gangs were all about.

I would have gone with Brubaker (pops) in this instance.

Cool Hand Luke is still an excellent movie though.

one of the best reform/rehab programs for prisoners was that of cooking classes where inmates actually cooked food for the facility , using modern kitchen tools and utensils (under supervision of course, and they were limited to persons without life sentences or those deemed to dangerous, as well as those with any diseases.) the results of this were many inmates who left prison with an actually skill that they could use in the real world to find a job, so as to not simple get put back in the system after not being able to find a good job.

anyways, my point is that farming and the skills involved could also be very useful as a reform/rehab program as well. at the very least it gives the inmates something to do other than lift weights and gang rape all day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rhomELNtsY

They should break their own rocks and stamp their own license plates too!

/uuhhhh...wait a second...

Lumber Jack Off: the results of this were many inmates who left prison with an actually skill that they could use in the real world to find a job, so as to not simple get put back in the system after not being able to find a good job.

In that case the warden should set them up with computers and teach them how to blog.

I wonder which other countries include prison rape as part of their comedy repertoire.

Sure, I expect there's prison rape in other cultures. But I wonder if Americans are the only ones who think it's funny enough to take pictures of it, Abu Ghraib style, and send the ha ha all over the internet.

Well I for one think connecting a profit motive to getting as many people in prison as possible IS JUST A FAAANTASTIC IDEA....

Samsaran:
Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor.


Ehhh.....yes and no.
What your talking about was farming that was connected to and part of the chain-gangs of the south. The treatment that took place while these individuals were farming as part of the chain-gang, now thats what was deemed "cruel and unusual." For anyone that doesnt know what the old southern chain gangs are about or why they were considered cruel and unusual.....Just go watch/rent Cool Hand Luke. Not only will you have an excuse to watch one of the best movies of all time, but you'll get a pretty clear and accurate (actually likely tame) view of what the Southern chain gangs were all about.

A positive and life-affirming article? In my Fark?

jayday: Samsaran:
Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor.


Ehhh.....yes and no.
What your talking about was farming that was connected to and part of the chain-gangs of the south. The treatment that took place while these individuals were farming as part of the chain-gang, now thats what was deemed "cruel and unusual." For anyone that doesnt know what the old southern chain gangs are about or why they were considered cruel and unusual.....Just go watch/rent Cool Hand Luke. Not only will you have an excuse to watch one of the best movies of all time, but you'll get a pretty clear and accurate (actually likely tame) view of what the Southern chain gangs were all about.


There was nothing cruel or unusual about the chain gang labor performed in Cool hand Luke.

*golfclap for subby*

Buttshrecks will occur in four minutes.

I am a time wizard.

Samsaran Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor.

And we still do...at least in Florida, that is.

And jayday - you're a moron.

Pun doens't even make any sense.

signaljammer: Gee, another prurient reference to prison rape. That is so funny, so original!

Or it's a reference to this guy, who is an actual prisoner being interviewed for a documentary, waxing poetic on his love of receiving analingus.

The Tossed Salad Man.

Pxtl: Buttshrecks will occur in four minutes.

I am a time wizard.

2008-11-02 01:39:32 AM
2008-11-02 01:43:53 AM

Wow. That was pretty good.

eff ewe: Pxtl: Buttshrecks will occur in four minutes.

I am a time wizard.

2008-11-02 01:39:32 AM
2008-11-02 01:43:53 AM

Wow. That was pretty good.

Daylight Saving time was screwing up the datestamps - new posts were appearing in behind posts that were made an hour ago. Some threads have quotes appearing "before" the text they are quoting.

Fun to find Fark bugs.

Samsaran: Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor.

Having talked with a few people who had been doing time in a Texas penitentiary that did "farm labor" the main task of most prisoners was to wear them out hoeing fields. Often times the fields wouldn't even be planted. It was to keep the prisoners busy.

Yes, they did a bit of farming. Their product would be consumed within the prison system for economic reasons and to prevent it from becoming a profit center to be exploited. But the prisoners were fat coming in, county fed like an Ethiopian refugee camp.

/I was in county on a misdemeanor.
//They were there for appeals or federal charges.

Samsaran: Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor.

Richard Saunders: And we still do...at least in Florida, that is.
And jayday - you're a moron.



Its spelled MORAN, ya moran, learn to spel damnit.


jayday: What your talking about was farming that was connected to and part of the chain-gangs of the south. The treatment that took place while these individuals were farming as part of the chain-gang, now thats what was deemed "cruel and unusual."

As I was pointing it,and guess I need to clarify...
Yes, these work farms are still up and runninng in certain areas, but the set up that was in place previously, using Chain Gangs had stopped (talkin old time ass kicked version). The practice of Chain Gangs ended (Around/In the 1930's) because it WAS deemed to be "Cruel and Unusual".**

**(Not sure how many states this included specifically by Law, but regardless of that, the practice stopped nationally in the 1930's due to among other things the sentiment and belief that it was cruel and wrong.

So like I said, yes and no.
Pretty much dead on about it all, except for being slightly off about the fact of them not being considered "Cruel and Unusual."
The Chain Gangs associated with these farms indeed were, as I explained.


So, Richard Saunders ya done being a Dick now???.....woops NM guess your name makes that impossible doesnt it.


/And before somebody brings it up. Yes, chain gangs did start up again but not until 1995.

Chrispit1
There was nothing cruel or unusual about the chain gang labor performed in Cool hand Luke.


You got the wrong idea there. I wasnt using that film as some sort of example of the horrors of the chain gang(beatings whippings and such) but actually more as a demonstration of what the day to day of it all was about. Even this was/is still considered cruel and unusual in certain states. Certain things, like:

- Chaining prisoners together for extended period of time without release
- Being left in a chain gun continuously in the sun without adequate water/protection/rests.
- Making work on a Chain gang mandatory as it is nothing more then a form of legalized slavery.
- Etc, etc, etc

Not always about the violent act, sometimes its just the act itself.

Pxtl: Buttshrecks will occur in four minutes.

I am a time wizard.

You're the work of the devil! DEVIL!!!

/time steal my BLT will you!

eff ewe: Pxtl: Buttshrecks will occur in four minutes.

I am a time wizard.

2008-11-02 01:39:32 AM
2008-11-02 01:43:53 AM

Wow. That was pretty good.

Wow a farker with 2 different logins......amazing!

jayday: Its spelled MORAN, ya moran, learn to spel damnit.

disnis!

ianjames: eff ewe: Pxtl: Buttshrecks will occur in four minutes.

I am a time wizard.

2008-11-02 01:39:32 AM
2008-11-02 01:43:53 AM

Wow. That was pretty good.

Wow a farker with 2 different logins......amazing!



/altalt?
//sla
///she!

\rollback

jayday: Ehhh.....yes and no.
What your talking about was farming that was connected to and part of the chain-gangs of the south. The treatment that took place while these individuals were farming as part of the chain-gang, now thats what was deemed "cruel and unusual." For anyone that doesnt know what the old southern chain gangs are about or why they were considered cruel and unusual.....Just go watch/rent Cool Hand Luke. Not only will you have an excuse to watch one of the best movies of all time, but you'll get a pretty clear and accurate (actually likely tame) view of what the Southern chain gangs were all about.

Archie Goodwin:
I would have gone with Brubaker (pops) in this instance.
Cool Hand Luke is still an excellent movie though.



I was thinking about using that as an example for a while there too. I couldnt remember though (maybe you do) if they had any scenes, or demonstrations of an actual Chain-Gang in that movie (Guys all chained together working and such). It's definitely a better example of what those work-farms were all about, no doubt your right there (not to mention that Brubaker is a pretty decent movie itself). As I said tho, I'm just not sure if it really covered chain-gangs is all.

BTW....This damn time change(-1 hr) thing was driving me nuts.
Was trying to figure out for the longest damn time exactly how the hell it was that you were able to respond to one of my posts prior to me ever even posting it.

Clarice? Lettuce talk.

jayday: I was thinking about using that as an example for a while there too. I couldnt remember though (maybe you do) if they had any scenes, or demonstrations of an actual Chain-Gang in that movie (Guys all chained together working and such). It's definitely a better example of what those work-farms were all about, no doubt your right there (not to mention that Brubaker is a pretty decent movie itself). As I said tho, I'm just not sure if it really covered chain-gangs is all.

I can't recall any actual chain gangs, but there were work gangs.

BTW....This damn time change(-1 hr) thing was driving me nuts.
Was trying to figure out for the longest damn time exactly how the hell it was that you were able to respond to one of my posts prior to me ever even posting it.

I was scratching my head too, until I saw it mentioned in another thread.

one of the best reform/rehab programs for prisoners was that of cooking classes where inmates actually cooked food for the facility

Wow. Captain Obvious meets Mary Poppins. They breed. Their child grows up to comment on Fark.

The circle is complete.

Samsaran
Like this is a new idea. Prison "farms" in the south have been around for a hundred years. Reformers tried to shut them down because it was "cruel and unusual" to make prisoners do farm labor

In Illinois, all the minimum security prisons had their own farms. The farmers complained that they were unfair competition. Even though the convicts were eating what they were growing and not selling it on the open market, it deprived farmers of that market.

Go up route 51 north of Vandalia. The area around the prison there (if it's still open - Gov. B threatened to close it for budget reasons) was all convict farmland. I used to see them going out to farm in the mornings.